Idol Quickies: August 13, 2010

2010 August 13

tags: Asia'h Epperson, Casey James, Justin Bieber, Michael Lynche

by TopIdol

READ IMMEDIATELY — Gawker just posted Inside the Weird World of Justin Bieber Micro-Gossip sites. If you just removed The Moppet of Beelzebub’s name and replaced it with almost any male Idol contestant’s name, it would be the SAME ARTICLE. However, the offending parties in the Bieber scenario are all young girls. And now I have that Baby Baby Baby song in my head. Ugh. Anyhoo…

Season 9′s beloved Goatboy Casey James has signed a deal with Sony Nashville, as first confirmed via James on Twitter yesterday afternoon. Congratulations, Casey James! You know who else is happy for you? BIG MIKE LYNCHE! And you know what that means? SANDWICH TIME! And damn, do these Italian subs look YUMMY. You can also hear some yahoo in the background asking them if they were on American Idol because he only watched it once with his sister. Hee hee. I have not watched one performance video from this year’s tour — performance videos bore me to tears in almost any scenario — but Late Night Sandwich might be the best thing to come out of the entire season.

Remember Asia’h Epperson? (Bonus points if you could spell her name without looking, too.) Asia’h was on season 7 of American Idol and did not make it very far, but hey, that does not mean one can’t go to Hollywood without a golden ticket, right? Asia’h and another individual beat up someone at Colony (a nightclub, nothing to do with ants, puritans, or Western culture’s tradition of going into a bunch of places without white people and proclaiming This land is mine!) last night. The person who got their ass kicked made a citizen’s arrest. Bucket list, people. CITIZEN’S ARREST. TMZ reported the story, which really just sounds like the semi-finals / first episode of America’s Next Top Model. Bonus points if Asia’h spilled beer in the victim’s weave.

EW reports No final decisions regarding American Idol’s next panel of judges have been made. Blah blah blah. I DO NOT CARE. Do you care? I DO NOT CARE. This is a pathetic attempt to keep people talking about the show. Once again Idol, you bring to mind the old adage about a dead horse and hand-to-hand combat.

Spread the word. Do it.

alicat10025

Our beloved Goat Boy has officially signed with 19/BNA (same label as Picler). MJs has the press release up

deez

Yay!!!! I think I may be purchasing a S9 album after all!!!!!

deez

OT, but here is a headline from MJ’s:

American Idol to Refocus on Talent Says CKX CEO

YAY!!!!!! Does that mean no more judges comedy routines/endless sob stories/ mugging for the camera?

et

Wouldn’t that be nice, actually focusing on the *singers*. I’ll believe it when I see it…
jukejoint

I feel certain that the sob stories and the mugging ARE their idea of “focusing on the talent.”
ross

What was the focus on last season? Lack of talent?
Pandora

I thought Nigel was going to focus more on the makeovers/lighting/costuming/dancing side of things?

ross

Yes, he gave the impression he was going to make Idol more Vegas-y.

Blue Eyes

The Idol with the most un-diverse crowd has got to be Taylor Hicks. Went to his show in 2007 and I never seen so many middle-age women in my life. The only men there were middle-age men with their middle-age wives. Also saw some kids with their moms. I was in my late-20′s at the time and I’ve never felt so out of place in my life. My friend who I dragged to the show still laugh about the people in the crowd.

A singer in his early-30′s cannot be happy about this kind of audience. So, I think he panders to them because that’s all he’s got. Very sad.
suew

I’m glad to hear the reports that at some of the later Cook concerts there is more of a varied deomographic. The last time I saws Cook at the House of Blues in Chicago, in the general front area there were only women. There was one really tall guy who came with his girlfriend, and I am not kidding, a fight broke out because the guy wouldn’t move. Security came to figure out what was going on, and the guy ended up leaving (or moving to the very far back). Cook has a great way of chastising these women in a very nice way. He doesn’t want to lose them as fans, obviously, but wants them to keep things in perspective.

I’ve heard Kris’ concerts have more of a diverse crowd, but haven’t been able to get to one of his concerts yet.

muzikizmi

We have to feel for the male idols. They are trying their best to draw some male fans, and when one shows up, he gets attacked for being tall. That brings up my next grievance. Where is it written that only short people get to stand close to the stage? And the shorter the person, the closer they get to stand? This is fair in what way?

et

Haha, I am laughing at the tall man discussion because despite all past talk about David having no guys at his shows… day #1 the tallest man ever with the most ginormous head ever stood right in front of me (he was really nice, though, he can’t help it that he is a man mountain) and I’m *not* short at 5’9″… then day #2 I had not one but TWO tall guys in front of me AND the big rude guy who tried to get in front of me. Of course, I did not push, shove, or fight them… since I’m a *rational* fan I realize casual dude fans-in-making are GOOD.

(Actually I stood behind a really tall teenage boy at the Richmond show too – WTF? I am a tall view-blocker magnet! So I just peer around/through/between.)

magnacarta

I saw a few dudes when I went to one of his concerts too, but they were bored or drunk. The one that stood beside during the concert stank to high heavens. Not the best experience I’ve ever had. lol

That said, there were a lot of twenty-something girls and older women attending his show, not just creepy cougars.

MissMyEm

That brings up my next grievance. Where is it written that only short people get to stand close to the stage?

LOL…I have to laugh. I’m very petite…just under 4’10″ and for the most part short people don’t get to stand close to the stage. I was in the Mosh Pit at a Springsteen concert (something I’ll never do again) and there was this really tall guy…maybe 6’6″ at least, right up against the stage. I was standing in the second row to his right. I never said a word to him. He turned around to me and gave me the dirtiest look and basically told me he didn’t care how short I was, he was not going to let me stand in front of him. I swear I never asked. However, a few people in the front were so incensed with that attitude that they put me in front of them because, as they put it, they’ve been to every show and could afford to be generous. Unless it’s a really nice crowd, I’ve never had anyone allow me in front of them. And I never ask either. If they tell me I can, I take advantage of the situation. If they don’t, I stay where I am and look through armpits.

So I’d say there’s no rule. LOL

Blue Eyes

I’m happy to hear David Cook has a more varied deomographic. That’s what you want to have success in music – to have all kinds of people like you.

I can’t believe they made the tall man move! If he was there first, he had every right to be there. No wonder the men stay away from Idol concerts.

Lauren

I’m back so everyone can stop worrying now! lol. Anyone want to catch me up so I don’t have to read through all the threads I missed? BTW Melinda, my mom loves you. That’s right top idol-ers, I met Melinda in person! Woot!

et

Welcome back, Lauren!

suew

This is in response to various comments that were left about cougars, cook and obnoxious fans.

That stuff about the women (of any age) talking about Cook’s private parts is just gross. Its one thing to have a crush on someone (hey, I’ve always liked Ed Vedder), but another to be harassing them and making a complete ass out of oneself. I’m older than Cook and have seen him live now three times. I go to about 20-30 concerts a year – some very small and some big – but seeing live music is my favorite thing to do. I don’t care if the musicians are young, old or in between.

The disturbing part of Cook’s concerts is that there are throngs of women that are obnoxious to Cook, his band, and all other fans. They scream things at him, shove there way to the front, and otherwise make a complete spectacle of themselves. If they think they have a chance in hell with him, they are delusional. I actually felt (just a little) sorry for Cook – there were few males there, and I’m sure he’s trying to get the rocker cred. Its just not gonna happen – his core group of fans right now are these women who write fan fiction about him and get together in throngs to talk about him nude. Its just gross.

When you go to a regular rock concert, you get fans of various ages, both male and female. I’ve never seen anything like the demographics at the Cook concert. Even the Idol tour draws a mixed bag.

I’m wondering if some of the fans do it more for the comraderie and fun of it then actually thinking they can hook up with him.

margie

I like Cook and he seems like such a nice guy. I hate this for him because he is extremely talented. It seems like these contestants are labeled having two categories of Idol fans: the OTT older female fans or have no core fans what so ever. To make it they all have to get away from this Idol stigma. The only 4 I can see that actually has any cred in the “real” world is Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, and Hudson. It is a blessing and a curse.

DeeDee

Having been to see Kris twice I can say that his crowds were mixed with the majority of them being young fans (a lot of girls). The problem for him is that there just isn’t that many of them. If he can get his music out there more with some radio hits, I really believe he can get away from the Idol stigma. I know Rickey noted there being more older women fans at an Archie concert. I am probably going to see Adam and Allison in a couple of weeks and I’m curious to see the demographic that shows up. I’ve heard conflicting reports on the web. Should be interesting.

Salleyanne

I think that this was true at the beginning of Cook’s tour, but not so much anymore. From the later reviews I saw, the demographic of his audience was changing, i.e. more 20 somethings/men. Of course all the idols have a core base that skewed older women (just the demographics of the AI) but as time goes on it is changing when they are on their own. There will always be the die-hard fans, but honestly I think they are the same 40 or 50 that travel to 15 or 20 shows. Not that many in comparison to all of the fans. Some are really creepy, but I think Cook as well as any idol on tour will gradually gain a more rational demographic if they are really good performers, put on a good show (which he does) and have a lot of luck. Luck does play a part in their success. Like they say a few rotten apples spoil the whole bunch and these creepy die-hards tend to make all fans look creepy. Most fans are just that, fans. This is true with all the idols.

ross

I know you’re trying to keep away from a Kris discussion (don’t blame you) but I think this is kind of relevant. The times I’ve seen him (in concerts with other acts) a lot of the people who are there to see him seem to be young, from teens to about 30 . These are the ones gathered for autographs, talking to the band, etc.

It seems that if people don’t have the droves of older women fans, though, they’re labeled as having few core fans. But maybe that’s innacurate and they just have mostly younger fans. They probably aren’t as hardcore.

The younger fans have a different agenda than the older fans (though I’m not sure what, I’m pretty sure it’s different). A lot of teens either haven’t started driving yet, or don’t own a car yet if they do drive. So they aren’t going to be going to multiple concerts in the same way as older fans. (And they probably aren’t going to be flying around the country, either.) They don’t have full time jobs, so they aren’t going to be spending all the money they do make on buying multiple CDs. They’re kids, so they aren’t going to be determined, organized, uber-fans like the older OTT fans, generally. This is how I see it, anyway.

et

It’s still a mystery to me how these people afford to go to all these shows. And especially Cook’s crazy ass tour – how do you go to over 100 shows?!

jukejoint

I wonder the same thing. You’d think they’d occasionally have to be wherever it is they supposedly live to work to earn the money to follow him around all over the country like that.
sodagrape

I’ve heard various rumors about inheritances and parents enabling their daughters’ obsession, but oddly none of the rumors actually involve these people having jobs and responsibilities.

I get some pretty generous vacation time at my job, but if I disappeared for months to follow some American Idol singer around the country, I wouldn’t have a job to come back to. Or a family.

Pandora

I think that the younger fans in general, of any performer, listen to the music and go to ONE show of a tour (because it’s all they can afford) and they fit their admiration of the performer into the rest of their lives rather than making it the central focus of their lives. They spend their online time interacting with each other on Facebook and playing games rather than on fan sites/blogs; if they tweet, they do it as another way of talking to their friends, etc. rather than sending random obscene/suggestive comments to people they don’t know. They don’t use the internet as a way to demonstrate their fandom.

ross

I think one show is all their parents are willing to go to, or take them to, usually. They can still be huge fans, though. But older fans are probably more into the escape aspect – something fun in their lives – while younger fans don’t really need a hobby or an escape, and they often have a fuller social life due to school and being single.
rehabilitard

So true. Many of OTT fans admit that they feel validated when their idol succeds. That is where all the fights about charts, adds and sold out shows coming from. So strange. I don’t understand this.
et

When I was a tweenie in love with Michael Jackson & Duran Duran I would’ve killed to see them live but since we were… well, no extra money in our house… I had to content myself with pretending that John Taylor was my boyfriend and sticking posters all over my wall…
ross

rehabilitard, I think they are kind of a variation on the classic stage mother. Only it’s at a distance. You know, someone who needs to live it all through someone else.
et

That is where all the fights about charts, adds and sold out shows coming from. So strange. I don’t understand this.

Don’t you think that all goes together with the weird “ownership” that people get over the Idols, though? It’s a strange relationship since lots of these folks feel like they “know” them after watching them on the show, or some seem to feel like the Idol in question “owes” them something. It’s interesting, if nothing else. We were just talking about that the other day after the show (my friend and I) – since when did we ever care about chart positions and how many tickets someone sold? That’s why I had to banish myself from any sort of numbers thread at MJs. It *does not matter* to my life, lol. Silly thing to get worked up over but man is it easy to fall into that trap.

Cripes, I’m a post ho today, sorry. I got zero, zilch, nada sleep last night coordinating rescue transports and I am a zombie and my children of course seem to sense it like wild animals and are being bad little mutants so I’m hiding after distracting them with brand!new!coloring books! from grandma. Yay.
ross

I think it’s a cycle where, if fans put in long hours voting online, spend a lot of money, follow all the fandom ‘rules’ about what to buy, what to request, etc., they do feel that they personally made the person happen. Then they feel he owes them something. And they act a bit like the person’s mother. “I gave him the best years of my life! And he didn’t even come out and sign! And I don’t think he should wear his hair like that. And he shouldn’t date that person.”
margie

I remember when I was 6 or 7 I was a HUGE New Kids on the Block fan. I loved me some Donnie..lol. I had their posters on my walls, had the vhs tapes, the buttons, knew the choreography of their dance moves, etc… I only actually saw them in concert once. That is the only time I have ever been a super fan of anyone. I don’t know why my parents let me waste their money on all that crap but they did, and I was a happy little girl. There is no one I would spend that amount of money on now. I buy one cd or just download the singles I like off itunes. If they come to concert close by I will go see them but I am not driving hours to see anyone.
et

LOL, margie, my sister had a New Kids pillowcase and that was her prize possession, she carried her New Kids-encased pillow with her everywhere!
Blue Eyes

Yes, there is a weird ownership that comes with voting for your favorite. Because you voted for them, spent all your money following your Idol, buying cd’s & downloads & merchandise, traveling to shows, etc, they now own you.

Same thing happens when you see Idol fans defending their Idol, it’s because they voted for you and anyone that goes against that means that they have personally offended your taste. It is like the stage mom defending their children.
ross

I saw Joey McIntyre in a restaurant, once. lol

I’ve only been a big fan of a few people, and most of them were before my time. Other than Jacob Hoggard (from Canadian Idol, and now the band Hedley) and Kris, I’ve never really been a huge fan of anybody current, my whole life.

This is in replay to margie’s post, below: I never paid attention to the stats, either, until I followed Idol. Now I’m paying less and less attention to them. It’s like paying a lot of attention to movie grosses. I could say I like a film, and people could tell me some other film made a lot more money. That’s nice, but it doesn’t make me like it more, and it doesn’t make it a better film.
margie

Ross I know. It just gives me a big headache. I like what I like. I don’t care about all of that other stuff. All I want is from artists I like is just make good music that I like.

muzikizmi

ross
rehabilitard, I think they are kind of a variation on the classic stage mother. Only it’s at a distance. You know, someone who needs to live it all through someone else.

The reply link I needed was burried in the side bar, so I am not sure where this will post.

Ross, you nailed it. I think it is normal to want your favorite to succeed. It is OTT when your favorite has to be the biggest ever eleventy!!!11!1 and anyone who gets in the way must be ruined! lol

margie

I have never paid attention to charts, sales etc til I became a Kris fan and got caught in the vortex that is AI fans. I didn’t know it was such serious business.
et

I think it is normal to want your favorite to succeed.

I do totally agree that it’s normal to want your favorite to succeed. It’s just not normal to Twitspam public enemy #1 with nastiness, spam articles, blah blah blah to try to remove the opposition. I don’t even do that for sports and I am a sports nut. Of course I don’t get a laminated uber-fan card ’cause I rather like Archie. *Shame* I just want new music from Cook… would love him to have a big hit, but music that I love would be just fine, thanks. Want to hear the album with the band. I like the band. I think they’re kinda awesome together.

MissMyEm

The younger fans have a different agenda than the older fans (though I’m not sure what, I’m pretty sure it’s different)

I think it depends. I’ve been to many shows for many an Idol singer as well as going on the tour for Seasons 2, 4, 7 and 8. Of course on the tour there are fans of all ages. I think the oldest fans I’ve ever seen were for Clay, and I hear from people who recently went to the Clay and Ruben show (HATE when a term is made up combining two singers) were some of the same people. Clay if I recall, had very few teens or young girls or guys in their 20s. Others I’ve been too have had fans whose average ages range from 30s to 50s. Jason Castro has fans in their 20s. Kris Allen, from what I’ve seen has the most varied and distinctive age group. Most fans are in their 20s and there are plenty of males in the group as well. There are still fans in their 30s -60s, but they don’t seem to be the obsessive ones.

Now as to how older fans react vs. younger fans…it depends. For Clay, I’ve seen them follow buses, fight over Meet and Greets…the whole 9 yds. For me, being older…I just don’t run to buses nor am I an autograph seeker. I go to the show and then I go home unless there is a photo op. And if I get one photo, I’m good. I don’t need 3 photos. I leave that to the younger ones. I won’t go to Meet and Greets, I don’t do red carpets and basically I don’t do anything typical that a fan might do. But that’s me. And my friends are pretty much like me. I don’t run to TV shows if my favorite singer will be on, but I will go to see American Idol IF I like someone on the show or if my favorite will perform at the Finale, as I did this year, to see Kris.

So I just think it depends on the person. I’ve worked in the entertainment industry for over 15 years and I have friends who are affilliated with Idol, so maybe that’s why my perspective on the situation is different. I think that being fangirly after a certain age is probably fun for some because it recaptures youth. Is that wrong? Not necessarily in my opinion, but for me, I feel there should be certain limits. But again, that’s just me. It might not be someone else’s cuppa.

muzikizmi

It’s not just you. I go to a show, and I go home, too. I go to a show to hear and see my favorites. I don’t need for them to see me. I don’t expect them to consider seeing me, to be the highpoint of their careers. There is obviously part of this fan thing, that I am just not getting.

et

Salleyanne, yes, the last shows had a wide variety – it’s just that the ones lined up for hours and up front and making all the noise were the same old, same old. But it’s exaggerating to say that “all his fans” are those people, or that he has only cougars or whatever. There were definitely more dudes at these shows than usual, though I bet many were there to please their ladies, but the ones near me got more and more into it as the show went on. Which is why as random as it seems and despite some of his, erm, more dedicated fans yelling at him on twitter for taking a vacation from the studio I think it was a great opportunity to get some new ears out to listen. It was obvious by the number of people buying his ugly ass merch (PLEASE Cook people – make new shirts!) that there were many newbies. He and his band put on a great show so I’m glad more people got to check it out. Except for the poor senior citizens who probably were coming out to watch that nice boy who sings that song about rainbows. Hee.

et

At least a couple of the “every single show” chicks ran off to follow Ryan Star around (saw them at his show at Iota, where they *for real* told the crowd to SHHHHHH when he started to play a song. I don’t recall ever being SHHHHHH’D at a show before. Especially not by a really short girl with tiny little fingers that I couldn’t stop looking at – like lil’ Vienna sausages). But yeah, I’m sure Cook would love to have a few less big/old regulars and a few hot chicks/dudes up front at his shows instead of the same faces ALL the time. And they do like to shout at him/the band and interrupt him – he chastises them gently, though I swear it goes over their heads that he really would like for them to shut up so he can talk. I want to *hear* his banter, I don’t want him to have to stop and tell them to be quiet. He’s funny, I like when he gets babbling, lol. I just… let me say again that I’m 37 and I’m chubby (but shrunk another 2 lbs this week, yay!) so I am not throwing stones as far as weight but… I mean, what must people think when they see the… demographics of who is camped out lined up to see him? This particular show there was a little more variety, just same old same old up front. There were some teens/tweens there – holy crap, those girls can scream. It made me remember after the US Women won their World Cup when they did their little victory tour… I HATED it because of tweenie screamies. I have sensitive ears and all that (and speaking of which, dude who whistled so loud my ears were ringing at the Redskins game… the WHOLE time? STFU!)

Beanbag

Puttin’ in my two cents. I’ve been to 1 Cook show near the end of his tour. Same old group up front, but lots of teenage girls (so cute they were), and a nice ratio of guys. In fact, there was one group of 6-7 teen boys who left the theater after The Script performed and it made me a little sad they were going to miss David, but noticed about halfway thru Cook’s set that they had come back in at some point and were there for DC, too. The Busch Garden crowds seemed very diverse (and HUGE), which bodes really well for him, since he’s in such a quiet phase of his career right now.

All Idols have to contend with the older demo coming off the show. The successful ones will expand that audience over time.

et

The Busch Garden crowds seemed very diverse (and HUGE), which bodes really well for him, since he’s in such a quiet phase of his career right now.

It made me stupidly happy for him, lol. I had no idea what to expect. I bet he was pleasantly surprised, too. He looked awfully happy on Sunday.

Llamakhan

When I went to a Cook show, the crowd was really diverse. It was the Oregon State Fair, but there were tons of people there, and I was next to a few guys and they loved it. There were a few crazy older women fans(I’m 20), so that was kind of strange, but overall it was a diverse crowd. It will take time for Cook and Kris to get more male fans, but they are talented and charismatic enough to do it.

MissMyEm

It will take time for Cook and Kris to get more male fans, but they are talented and charismatic enough to do it.

I was actually impressed with all the male fans I saw in San Diego for Kris. I can’t speak for Cook because I’ve never been to his show, but it would be nice to see more men at these shows. I think it bodes well for the success of the artist. Clay had a PBS special which was filmed in Raleigh, NC, his home town. From the videos you could see lots of men in the audience. I don’t know if this was because it was his home town, the wives/girlfriends/sig others dragged them there, whether they had season tickets to the venue, whether the tickets were free (usually TV tapings are free, but I don’t know whether this was a concert that was being taped or a show specifically for PBS). It’s the first time I’ve ever seen men at a Clay concert, but then again I haven’t been to one since 2004, so maybe his fan base has changed.

et

I was standing by a little knot of dudes at Cook’s show and they were clearly there with their ladies but they got into it as the show went on – they loved the banter, and they loved Kiss on the Neck and Bar-ba-Sol and Neal shredding on the guitar. The Champagne Supernova mashup went over extremely well as did the Cutting Crew cover. So maybe they were dragged there by their significant others but they were all having a good time as the show went on … even the really grumpy ginormous rednecky guy that tried to cut in front of me was having fun. When he wasn’t bitching about the big cardboard sign that some tweens/teens were holding up. I suppose that distracted him from the fact that I waited TWO HOURS for my spot prior to him trying to poke his nose in my business, (unheard of for me – two hours? Plus drove I-95 in the summer on a weekend TWICE? Devoted, I tell you) and that he wasn’t getting in front of THESE big hips, dammit!

musicfan

As another Cook fan who was at the Busch Gardens shows this past weekend, I was very impressed with the varied demographics of the crowd. Sure, there were a bunch of the usual suspects up front, but there were plenty of guys, young kids, teens and tweens up there too. I tried to look around at the crowd from time to time, and I saw everyone – male and female, young and old – moving to the music, singing along, laughing at his banter, etc. It was a big, diverse crowd, and they were all loving the show.

I talked to a young couple after the Sunday night show. The guy admitted that he only came because his girlfriend wanted him to (she told me she had to come because she thinks he’s extremely hot,) but that after seeing the show he really enjoyed it. He said the show was nothing like what he expected, and that he would definitely go back to see him again. And he was very impressed with Neal’s guitar playing.

I’m of an age where I could be called a “cougar” but I hate that connotation. I do not tweet inappropriate things to David, nor do I talk about his “assets” on twitter or any message board. I have kids his age, and that idea grosses me out. But I do enjoy his music. With the two shows last weekend, I’ve now seen him perform live 5 times. (Hey, he played 3 shows within a 1 to 2 hour drive from my house during the Declaration Tour. I enjoy live music, go to a lot of concerts, and so I went to each of those. I did travel to Williamsburg, but combined it with a planned trip to visit my cousin who lives there. She went to the concerts with me – her first – and thoroughly enjoyed them as well.) Each time I’ve seen the demographics in the audience moving away from just the hard core Idol fans, to groups of all ages and both sexes. That has made me very happy to see. I believe he’s winning over new fans all the time, and they aren’t just older women. I’ll be anxious to see the reaction when he plays the FFA show he has scheduled in October. You have to be a member of the Future Farmer’s of America to attend, and so that’s going to be a crowd of almost entirely teens. I suspect he’ll win them over easily.

et

musicfan, I too have been enabled to see a bunch of shows since he keeps coming so close. We’ve been luck in Virginia, between the shows and Race for Hope in DC he’s been here a lot

Did you notice, too, that the casual fans especially the guys really started warming to him with the banter? He’s a funny guy, pretty quick-witted and engaging. He makes everyone feel that the show is personal. I bet he wins over the teens at FFA too. Heck, at Busch Gardens he had more tween/teen girls than I have ever seen at one of his shows and they were LOUD (see before mentioned tweenscreams comment). Of course one had an Archie shirt but that turned into some fantastic banter so… thanks Archie shirt girl! (And Monty mancrush man, haha).

Shenanigan

I’ve been to some of the California concerts, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen “throngs of women” shoving, shouting and pushing their way to the front. Maybe these were just different concerts? I don’t know, but I just asked my dh who said maybe these concerts were on the East Coast? Also, there were mostly younger fans where I was standing. Although women did seem to outnumber men, there were a lot of men around, especially a few rows back, where they seem to like to stand, and they seemed into it.

I know something about the every concert goers, ECGs as they are sometimes called, or FRB s (front row bitches) as they like to call themselves. They are not middle aged or older, rather mostly in their 20s and early 30′s as far as I can tell. I could not do what they do, but I don’t understand why it was sort of charming for the Deadheads to follow around the Grateful Dead, but it is not ok for some people to follow around Cook. As far as I know, these women mostly did not have kids or even SO s, rather were making a vacation of it. If I did not have those obligations, and had the funds, or just the ability to not worry about it all, I think it sounds like it would be fun, an adventure of a lifetime.

The only annoying part that I saw was their determination to be in the front row meant they lined up extremely early in the morning. So they usually always got those front row spots, as far as I could tell. I didn’t go to enough concerts to know, but I would guess David Cook might have liked to see some new faces in the front row.

I saw the pictures from the BG concerts, and it looked like the crowd was very diverse. I think the days of rock concerts being only attended by young people are gone. The older generation grew up on rock, why should they stop going to concerts? And why do they have to hide their old faces? Is Willie Nelson ugly? Well, some might say so, but I think a lot is to be said for character.

The cadre of little ladies of a certain age on twitter and the boards who alternately mother and lust after David are sort of amusing to me. Although I am mostly a lurker and don’t do the whole lusting after David/talking about his looks and body/posting endless pics kind of fandom, I don’t feel I am one to say what they ‘should’ be doing. There are those among David’s fans who really hate that group, cut them, shun them, are disgusted by them. I think that is just mean. Who knows what is going on in their lives? I would guess not much. If it gives them a little happiness, why not?

Also, with the exception of that little group who seems to really consist of just a few ladies who may be shut-ins as they post constantly, his fans seem to be largely quite a bit younger than, say, Adam Lambert’s.

jukejoint

Non-Idol Quickie: Always thought Elisabeth Moss was too good for Fred Armisen. Except for the Scientologist thing. Is he, too? Or just Ms. Moss? Anyway, they’re Spitsville.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/13/elisabeth-moss-fred-armis_n_681825.html

jukejoint

Er, Splitsville. Although perhaps spitting was involved as well as splitting. Hiss, spit. Ya never know.
JaneRochester

Wow. That’s a surprise. Sure didn’t last long.

Trish

I think Casey when goes on tour as opening act for whomever he should have Big Mike come along and do the catering.

JaneRochester

Fabulous! But only if he’s being filmed for Food Network.

JaneRochester

From a review of last nights IdolsLive Concert (I refuse to put in the exclamation point, even thought I enjoyed the hell out of myself when I went. Just color me contraray.)

“Michael Lynche also seems unsure about his musical personality. We do know that he’s no rapper, judging from the way he stumbled through the T.I. rap on Justin Timberlake’s “My Love.” He is also old-school hammy: He sported a black suit with a fedora and dropped to one knee during “This Woman’s Work.” He doesn’t seem ready for a record deal; he looks like he should be doing a dinner theater production of “Smokey’s Joe’s Café” instead.”

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/music/articles/2010/08/13/20100813american-idols-live-phoenix-concert-review-music.html#ixzz0wXiEglC0

Well, they got the “cafe” part right.

JaneRochester

Or “contrary.” Whatever floats your boat.

(Jeez, one frackin’ glass of wine whilst watching the Redskins, and all hell breaks loose…)

et

I had one beer at the Redskins game and had to cut myself off, I can’t hang
JaneRochester

You were there? OMG my hubby will be so jealous. He’s the Skins fan (stationed in DC while in the Marines). I cheer for Da Bears, but of course will watch any football that happens to be on my TV. It’s gonna be an interesting year for youse guys!
Trish

How’s Donovan doin’ as a ‘Skin? Still can’t believe the Iggles let him go. I think it was time, though.
et

Haha, I dunno, we got stuck in beootiful DC traffic and missed the first quarter… so there went the starters. It is weird having him in Redskins’ uniform.

I never went to a game in my life until my Dad got season tickets. He bought them for his customers but we luck out now and then and get to go. It would be nice to not suck… the games are a lot more fun that way . For a bit there Gibbs Redux was pretty darn entertaining. I try to enjoy it while I can because if Dad gets rid of his club seats I’ll never be there again – I can’t afford *nosebleed* seats, much less club. Hell, I can’t afford fries!

(I watch a ton of sports, way more than hubby, he laughs at me. Soccer, UNC basketball, football… sports! YAY!)

caspar

You know, no one can help how they feel. It’s when they don’t have enough dignity to see how bizarre they look that things get icky. And even when they’re not wearing feather boas or 6-inch platform heels,you have to wonder ‘Why in hell would you choose a twitter pic of your sad old puss in an upside-down flower pot hat’ (yes, I’m looking at you, Cook fan ladynsearch, please don’t hunt me down and kill me).

Llamakhan

HAHA! Seriously, her profile pick is so sad looking! That coupled with the name is depressing. Sorry if that is rude, I already know I’m going to hell!

caspar

Even worse is the one whose twitter avi shows her cuddling her(I assume) grandchild. She was tweeting a few days ago that she would like to ‘die’ in Cook’s arm, eh, literally, then he would cry, and go find someone ‘young enough to give him babies’. AAAARRRGGH!

DeeDee

Ughhh! Please tell me you made that up.
Beanbag

Ewwwww (and I know exactly who you’re talking about). I admit to following more than a few Cook fans on twitter, but I make a wide path around this squicky, oogy, baby-talking group. I don’t understand how grown women who appear to have families (kids, grandkids) are so, so delusionally obsessed with someone they don’t and will never know. So creepy – and sad.

et

LOL, Beanbag, I bet I know who it is, too. Then they started getting dirty late the other night and I was out, time to get off the Twitter feed.

And you know, I don’t begrudge people of any age the right to wait in the hot sun to sit in the front row but… you gotta wonder if maybe every now and then he looks down and thinks… Shit. This was NOT what I was expecting…

muzikizmi

Thankfully, Adam and Danny split those fans for season 8, and Kris got their daughters and granddaughters. He looks out at a sea of PYT faces. By opening for bands who have a lot of male fans, MAYBE Kris has a chance to build a very non-typical fanbase for a male idol. As his touring has progressed, his style is veering more and more towards the adult rock alternative style of The Script, Train, and One Republic, and it suits him very well, IMO.

et

If you want your brain to explode, go into any of these male idols’ twitter feeds and prepare to just be astonished.

Blue Eyes

Whenever I need a good laugh, I check out the Idols twitter feed. Adam Lambert is still the most funny, but Cook and Hicks are pretty hilarious too!

et

I can only imagine Adam’s – I haven’t checked anyone’s but Cook’s and that’s bad enough. After all this time, lol.
JaneRochester

I would like all of it to stop. Now. I’m so sick of being labeled a “cougar” because I’m over 40, and getting stuck with what that label implies. I find it deeply offensive. And don’t EVEN get me started on the Idoloonies who put all females into neat little categories and write off our genuine opinions as us just fitting into whatever box they’ve pre-labeled. It makes me want to get out my ruler and smack somebody.

Sometimes I think I was a happier camper before this stupid show came along and effed up my (entertainment) life.
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I think Cougar was ruined long before that…now it’s any woman past 40 (give or take). It used to be a certain type of woman and then the term caught on and oh, women started using during season 7 of Idol…I don’t know if that was to blame, doubt it, but it did not help.

Beanbag

I peek into those timelines sometimes and feel like I need a shower afterwards. Grown women!! Ick. And I’m sure he’s hoping that somehow, someway, some young, pretty girls will force their way in front of that middle-aged front row crew. It creeped me out that some of these women even found their way into the college shows at the beginning of the tour.

I don’t follow Lambert at all, but I think his twitter feed might give me nightmares.

Blue Eyes

Lambert’s Twitter feed is hilarious! Lots of tard fights. Lots of finger pointing on who is the most cray. Lots of OTT fantarding…”you’ve changed my life” crap. Lots of interfering in his personal life. Lots of sexual/gay tweets.

It truly is a circus.
rehabilitard

Adam brother Neil is causing some cow fights too.
His recent tweet:

“@negativeneil….{ Twitter }

a friendly hello to any past, current, and future concert-goers this summer. Now stop screaming “HI!” every time I’m in eyeshot. Jesus.
about 20 hours ago via web

or you could just not say anything. screaming “HI” and my name over and over isn’t sweet, it’s annoying.
about 20 hours ago via web in reply to RumbleRaawr
mtlfan

haha.. he’s got an attitude though 100%. Whereas I
can understand his grief, it’s still unpleasant that he voices
it to his bro’s fans who are indeed friendly. Yep definitly
not an engaging guy

muzikizmi

I have to agree with Negative Neil on this one. He is smart enough to know that those who are trying to get his attention aren’t really interested in HIS attention. There are always overinvested fans who try to get to their idol by way of family, band members, passing acquaintances, or whatever.

sj

Cranky young man grows up to be cranky old man.
ross

– Charlie Chan.
muzikizmi

The ‘negative’ in the twitter name is sort of a dead give away, isn’t it?
JaneRochester

LOL, muzik. Adam is so relentlessly sunny, it makes them pretty yin & yang, I guess.

I haven’t read much of Neil’s stuff, but what little I did see was pretty hilarious.
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Hmmm…I think I’m getting bored of Neil Lambert talk now. Come on, kids! There must be more stuff to laugh at out there…yes? No? Should I summon THE DIVA K? I cannot wait to hear his adventures from Erie.

(I also think Neil gets to lash out at the sparkle herd because his brother cannot. If he is, indeed, “working” on his tour…)
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THE DIVA K is becoming so big, people are Tweeting me photos of him!

http://tweetphoto.com/38784593
deez

That is AWESOME! I wonder how many beers he had ingested at that point? I <3 Diva!

oddgirl

I see nothing wrong with women (or men, for that matter) in their 40′s and up being fans of any Idol and going to their concerts and buying their music. Why should they be expected to only listen to music/follow musicians from when they were teens or young adults? TBH, I fully expect to be listening to current music when I am in my 50′s, 60′s, etc.

Now, I do think they they need to not try and act or dress like they are 20-somethings. And it’s probably not a good idea to flirt with someone who may be young enough to be your son -(unless that person has previously indicated that he’s interested in older women, as some men are). But as long as they act and dress in an age-appropriate manner, I don’t see why these older people can’t be as much of a fan of (fill in name of Idol) as someone who is much younger can be.

oddgirl

oops, I meant for this comment to be in reply to JukeJoint and Sakin. Oh well

ross

I agree, oddgirl.

saskin

Yep. It is ridiculous to say that one can only be a fan of the musicians their own age. Of course I wasn’t saying that. It was only related to micro-gossip part. You know, the acting like a crazy teenage girl on the web, like suggestively tweeting the artist etc. I think that is juvenile.
sj

Yay oddgirl, I agree. I’m more in the Barenaked Ladies fan demographic so I felt comfortable at the concert I attended when a particular young idol opened. Sat in the back with my friends and we acted with decorum without having to try – LOL. I might not have felt as comfortable otherwise, unfortunately because I notice there is a real ageist attitude in some of the younger fans. I just shake my head because, hopefully, those folks will get to be older too and they’ll realize that you feel the same inside but there is also, hopefully, maturity. I don’t think there is an age limit on appreciating good music according to one’s taste.

sj

Oh I just read what Saskin wrote. I agree with that too. Unless you’re a skanky groupie type that wants to do the band, acting suggestively is delusional no matter what your age.

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I’ve stated a zillion times on here that age should not be a restriction on anything. NEVER! Hell, I don’t think of myself as my age. BUT with age should come maturity, and I’ve seen enough adult women acting like children over some silly Idol contestant.

et

Yeah, I’m totally cool with people of whatever age going to concerts – I have defended the older set of Cook fans before, why not go to a show? But when they send him suggestive tweets and scream that they love him when they are old enough to be his granny, that’s a little weird. *I* don’t scream I love him and I’m not at all old enough to be his granny – not even old enough to be his mama. I feel old and self-conscious sometimes and I’m 37, and that’s silly. I shouldn’t feel that way. I think I live in terror of my picture showing up somewhere with the “frau” label because I’m chubby and older. No puffy paint, though, and no Cook earrings. And I *am* going to lose 50 lbs by Race for Hope in May, dammit, so wish me luck (has nothing to do with Cook other than I somehow lost 5 lbs over the weekend I guess with my beer/jello/fruitcup and it got me thinking – NOW is time!)
muzikizmi

Confession time. It’s good for the soul, or so I hear. I was a Clay Aiken fan, in the early days of his career. I could see, from the beginning, that the ‘Claymates’ were killing his career. There were a lot of younger fans at the beginning, but they were pretty much trampled over by the herd (many of whom are now mooing for Glambert). The younger fans could never get tickets in the first 15 rows of a Clay Aiken show, because the older housewives and retirees, could sit on Ticketmaster at 10 am, while the younger fans had work and school. They could also buy their way into Stubhub meet and greets. The older fans also didn’t like Clay singing pop. They wanted ‘Moon River’. Well, they finally got it, and as I predicted years ago, it isn’t selling.

Unless Adam can gain younger fans from having Ali and Ori opening for him, I think the Clayfate awaits him. Maybe that is why Adam doesn’t appeal to me. I saw the same people, react in the very same way to him.
Blue Eyes

I was sort of a casual Clay Aiken fan is the beginning, but I quickly lost interest.

Clay Aiken totally pandered to the older fans and he sold out. After he saw the same faces at all his concerts, it’s not hard to figure out that the older ladies have money to spend on him, so he abandoned a pop recording career so he can sing to older women. Hmmm, how’s that working out for him? LOL. I think it’s easy for Idols to fall into this trap. Taylor Hicks is another one who has more or less abandoned a recording career in favor of touring because that’s where the money is. Have they forgotten that it’s about the music?

I really hope that Adam does not fall into this trap and I don’t think he will. But, it will all depend on his next cd. If he sticks to pop-rock or rock, I think he will be OK. If he does another pop-dance record, I think he’s doomed.
margie

Blue Eyes I think he is going the pop route again. From what I have read, Britney’s main producer guy that got her famous from Sweden, is going to be a big part of his next album. At least that was said in one interview I read.
muzikizmi

Yep. What Blue Eyes said. That sums it up for me too.
Blue Eyes

Margie, that would be great for him to a pop cd and I truly hope it works out for him. I just don’t know if it’s too late for him and I’m doubting that his huge fanbase, that he had at one time, is going to come back. Those women are now called Glamberts and there’s no going back in time for them.
margie

I am not a fan of of “Pop” Adam. I hope it for works him if this is indeed the direction he is going, but I just think his age and gender plays against him. It is extremely hard to stay relevant in the POP world unless you have extreme success from when you are younger. That is why there is such a revolving door of artists in that genre and only a few are Icons. It is so flash in the pan. You are hot one minute then you are not it seems like in a blink of an eye.

margie

It works in the opposite direction also. A lot of my favorite artists are from who I grew up listening to when I was a kid with my parents. You don’t want to know how many Bob Dylan concerts I have been to with my dad. So it goes younger to older too. There is no set age in music.

Blue Eyes

Good luck et! Us women need to be taking care of ourselves. We are the first priority over a singer who doesn’t know us from a hole in the wall. I also think it’s fine to be a fan and like someone’s music, no matter what age you are, as long as your not crossing the line and acting like an OTT, disrespectful, delusional frauen, who has gone off the deep end.

Tweeting an Idol about buying him a drink, meeting him after the show for a drink, when you are clearly 50+ and a grandma is absolutely crazy!

et

It has to unnerve the heck out of these guys when these older ladies are propositioning them…

JaneRochester

“Unnerve”? I think the word you’re looking for is “repulse.” Maybe you’re just nicer than I am. That’s a distinct possibility.

Good luck with the weight loss!

jukejoint

I don’t think anybody said you can’t be a fan of or listen to music from or go to concerts by whoever you like. My sister (aged 56) likes Miley Cyrus. I think she has abysmal taste, but if she wants to go to a Miley concert, I don’t care. It’s the sexual objectifying thing that bugs me. That’s bad no matter what age you are, but when you’re 14, it kind of comes with the territory that you will have a silly crush on someone you think is dreamy. When you’re 64 and getting the object of your (sexual) affection to sign your boob or your ass or you’re tweeting this “star” about your gasms and his bulges and trying to sneak into his hotel room or onto his bus or trying to tongue him or grab his ass or his dick or anything else like that… It becomes gross and ridiculous instead of cute and I have to think isn’t very fun for the “star” to contend with, either.

Reverse the genders. What would you think if a 64-year-old man were grabbing Kelly Clarkson’s or Kellie Pickler’s boobs or asking her to autograph his bare ass or trying to sneak onto her bus or tweeting her about the erections he gets when she sings? Wouldn’t you say ewwwwwww? Anybody any age can go to the concerts and enjoy the music. I guess we’re more protective of females, because I think the cops would probably be locking up even an 18-year-old guy who touched Kelly or Kellie that way, let alone a 60-something. Salacious tweets by themselves, I don’t know. Maybe it does happen all the time to people like Kelly and Kellie. But I doubt they feel like they just have to put up with that kind of thing and go along and make nice with these creepy stalker people.

It’s the sexual objectification that bothers me. Actually, the people who do the “sexy” tweets and treat any of the Idols as sex objects can do whatever they want, anyway. But I get to think they’re gross (and feel sorry for the poor Idol who is objectified), too.

et

jukejoint, I’m with you there. I hung out on the post-show Twitter feed for quite a while after David’s show to get pics and stuff and it was respectful for a long time (you can never be too old to think someone is cute, hot, whatever) but later in the whole process some folks popped on there and were talking about the “fanbase” and his bulge and bleh, I looked at their profiles and they were *not* young and I was completely grossed out (not that I want to hear youngsters talking about that either – and yes, many of these same folks would shit a brick if some 55 yr old dude was tweeting about “damn, did you see Kelly’s tits?”).

Of course, even beyond the sexual stuff there’s the weird things like one lady who tweeted after his first show ended that she was upset with the set length and someone asked why and she said she was so depressed that it was over that she didn’t know what she would do… is that weird? Though granted I would find that weird from anyone older than like… 14. I mean, yeah, it’s a let down when something you really anticipated ends but… so depressed you don’t know what to do? (Subsequent tweets stayed in that mood, it was unnerving).

DeeDee

Well thank goodness it’s okay to follow musicians younger than ourselves! I thought I was going to be forced to listen to Elton John, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen etc until my kids put me in the old age home, lol. Seriously, I was feeling a little self-conscious about seeing another Kris Allen concert (total of 2) even though both times he was playing less than 40 minutes from where I was. Then I realized that was stupid. If I didn’t know anything about him I would still like his music so why not enjoy it. Though the crowd at the Borgata was mixed I was happy to see there were mostly young people there. I am sure that is the demographic most young musicians covet.

ross

I’ve been wondering this: why is the picture vertical, on Late Night Sandwich? Is the video camera turned on its side? Just curious; I’m not a big fan of Big Mike, or sandwiches.
Blue Eyes

Congratulations Goatboy! I’m looking forward to it, even though you’ll never see me on any fantard board, I still like you!

Late night sandwich is cute! Those subs look yummy!

Saskin, I agree with you – the old songs brings the baby boomers back in time and they are reliving their youth, but do they realize how foolish they look to normal people? They are tarding on Idols who could be their sons or grandsons. If they like the old tunes so much, so listen to the original artist who did them much better than any Idol. What really creeps me out is when an old gal is sending flirty tweets to her Idol and I’ve been seeing quite a few of them lately. I can’t imagine what the Idol must be thinking when he reads that crap from an old lady. He must feel like such a loser to be attracting fat grandmas. Eck!

jukejoint

I think that has to be very hard for them. They can’t say what they really think (“No, I will not sign your saggy old boob, Granny. Get that thing away from me! Oh, and you look ridiculous in that outfit, too. Get a grip and go back to the senior center!”) because they will lose a big chunk of an unsteady fanbase, so they have to grin and bear it. But lines are going to need to be drawn at some point or they’ll lose their souls and turn to drink.

Blue Eyes

I think many Idols have already turned to drink. LOL!

jukejoint

I want to see them MAKE the sandwich, not just eat it. Still, I give this show 3 and a half stars and a thumbs up. I can see it as a show about making late night food for rock stars, and Casey and Big Mike can go on continual tour funded by MTV, opening for other people one night at a time and making food with them. Tonight, Big Mike and Casey James open for and make meth corndogs with Courtney Love! Next week, it’s Mini-Rubens with Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken!

MTV needs to put it on their fall schedule, right between Jersey Shore and Making the Band with Diva Kalina. I can already hear the promotional slogan for that one. With Diva Kalina in charge, Making the Band takes on a whole new meaning.
OvenMitt

Yesssss! Way to go, Casey! I may just have to give him a congratulatory hug when I go to that concert next weekend, complete with the patented Kara DioGuardi leg fling.
On The Edge

That sandwich did look mighty tasty…washing it all down with a Sam Adams too!

Congrats to Casey…and also to Lauren! YES, I hoped the guys’ vote would split between Robert & Kent, giving the girl the win. Now THIS is how you get a girl to win Idol…do a final THREE instead of two.

Kent got so into his contemporary routine Wednesday I started to get worried. Our goofy puppy Kent was SAD. I wanted Cat to just give him a big old hug and make him Happy!Kent again.

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So Lauren won? I had no idea. Really? I definitely did not think she was all that and preferred Ashley. Oh well.

sj

Lauren was awesome. I thought she deserved it. I liked Ashley too. I noticed they barely mentioned her last night.

For some reason, I didn’t want to like Kent but I ended up liking him a lot. I loved the Travis Wall dance he did with Neal (Neil?) about the two boys breaking up.

auntieaimee

I agree. I really loved Lauren. She hung in there every week, she battled for it, and she won. I was thrilled for her. I’m still trying to figure out how she did that tumbleweed move without breaking her neck. That was something else.

et

I wish I had a picture of my husband’s face when Lauren was doing that. His eyes about popped out of his head. Hee.

On The Edge

I would say Lauren really grew the most out of all of them and showed she could do nearly any style. Her hip-hop and ballroom/Latin routines were just as solid as her contemporary. I didn’t, however, like the “Hip To Be Square” number with Kent Wednesday night. A., the choreography was really weak, and B., I kept thinking if you’re going to do a dance to this song, it should involve two guys in Armani suits, one wearing a clear raincoat and carrying an ax (five points and a sandwich to whoever gets that reference).
Trish

They so TOTALLY screwed Ashley last night. They knew Lauren had won; would it have hurt to let another female from THIS season get a little exposure?

Nigel Lythgoe really f*cked up what used to be a great show. The dancing was still good this season, and I like almost all of the top 10, but there was way too much emphasis on former contestants (“all-stars”) and not enough on the actual contestants.

And as much as I love Alex Wong (and I LOVE him), there’s no way he can ever come back and compete in a future season. They essentially crowned him The Guy Who Should Have Won last nigh, shit all over poor Billy Bell, and conveniently kicked everybody else to the curb.

And don’t even get me started on the summer tour. Would it have killed them to invite Jakob Karr and Ellenore back? Jakob was runner up last season, wasn’t he? He doesn’t even get to tour? WTF is that all about?

saskin

That micro-gossip thing is fascinating. Even more fascinating; 60 years old women acting exactly like 12 years old girls. I think it is the old songs thing. Listening to the same hit songs 20-30-40 years later regress them back to that time. Just like how people tend to regress back to their old behavior when they see one of their childhood friends. You know? Like when your respectable lawyer friend with 2 high school aged kids starts giggling and acting all mean-girly when you run into her junior high best friend? Or when your MD friend starts acting all shy and self conscious when the head of the cheer leading squad walks into the gym, even though she is a 200 pounds self aware mother of 3 and your doctor friend looks like a goddess now? Anyone? No? Maybe it is just me then…

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