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Idol Quickies: July 26, 2010

2010 July 26
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by TopIdol

Well, I have to get you people off that other silly post, don’t I?

This has nothing to do with American Idol. I just love Joshua Jackson. PACEY CON!

Nigel Lythgoe might be returning as Idol’s executive producer! Who was that idiot who took his place? Something Warwick? Produced pageants and the ilk? Anyway, say what you will about Lythgoe, who may or may not be a prick (homophobic or otherwise), Idol was kind of more entertaining with him on it. Looks like they’re pulling out all the stops to save the show, sans begging Simon & Paula to come back or voiding the contracts of Kara DioGuardi and (sorry, Ellen!) Ellen DeGeneres. I mean, even though Randy Jackson is as useless as tits on a bull, he’s kind of…nostalgic at this point in Idol’s sad existence.

Speaking of Idol’s sad existence, the Ruben Studdard-Clay Aiken tour (Cluben!) has begun. This should be a warning to any little boy who wants to try out for American Idol. DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOU? Sadly, the video has been removed before I was able to watch it. If someone gets me a copy, I will provide full face-palming commentary.

UPDATED! (Thank you Jim! And H20Convo!) WHY IS THE FIRST THING I SEE…CLAY AIKEN GRABBING HIS CROTCH?

I would still actually see this man if he performed in a bar down the street because I know the show would actually be fun.

Meanwhile, on the current American Idol tour, Michael Lynche, Casey James, and Andrew Garcia continue to stuff sandwiches down their throats late at night. This time, Lee DeWyze makes a guest appearance. And what were the sandwiches they so enjoyed on July 24th? CHIK-FIL-A.

The Huffington Post’s Melody Breyer-Grell wrote that Adam Lambert is having an identity crisis, even though 85% of the article humped his leg effusively. (Breyer-Grell is mostly spot on in her assessment of Lambert’s career, and she is clearly someone who truly admires his talent. The article was HONEST.) Naturally, 85% is not good enough for the most ardent of Lambert fans. Uh oh…Did somebody say CHIK-FIL-A?

I find the need to mention Adam’s sexuality in an article about his talent offensive. I have done my Adam Lambert research, in fact I have written a book and many articles about Mr. Lambert. Adam does not suffer from an identity crisis. What you are looking for is simplicity in a complex person. Adam may be the boy next door in an interview, but he is the sexually provocative, thrusting, grinding, and testosterone laden Alpha male on stage. He is multifaceted and is always true to himself. There is absolutely nothing about Adam Lambert that is not genuine. The fans at his sold out tour venues will not agree with your assessment of his authenticity. Lambert is a man driven by his desire to make an artistic statement. Adam’s artistry encompasses his style, staging, and his ability to enrich every lyric with emotion. He is arguably the most gifted vocalist of his generation and a capable dancer. Why should any great artist limit their means of expressing themselves other than by the boundaries of their capability? Adam should sing whatever he wants to sing and I will go to his concerts and buy his album.

Kris Allen was in San Diego. He sang some songs during two sold-out shows at Anthology. Here is a video of Falling Slowly so you people get off the previous Idol Quickies thread. (Courtesy of SnapCracklyPop)

David Cook had breakfast with his father and brother yesterday. If you too, had breakfast on Sunday, you are likely destined to marry David Cook.

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  • Verbally Dyslexic

    VFTW posted a video of Todrick Hall singing a speshul song for his haterz. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

  • MissMyEm

    Not to change the subject too drastically, but….

    Kristy Lee Cook’s new show, Goin Country With Kristy Lee Cook, debuted on Versus today. In the video, via MJ’sBigBlog, Kristy kills a buck & sings a song. The show airs Sunday at 9am on Versus.

    I wasn’t sure if the description was snark or not, so I started to watch the video…but I’m not into hunting so I had to turn it off.

    Not that I would have watched the show anyway, but now for sure I wouldn’t watch the show. Good Lord…bucks of the world…unite.

    • MissMyEm
      • deez

        Well, she certainly has targeted a specific audience.

        • ross

          Good one, birthday girl.

    • Lauren

      WTF?! She seemed so sweet and nice and then they show the guns. *tears*

      • Ittybittybear

        My daughter seems sweet and nice too. But she has 4 long guns and 3 handguns. Worst of all, she’s a Republican. *shudder*

    • ross

      Man is in the forest.

  • et

    Oh, man, you guys have been busy. How shall I ever catch up? Where should I read? What should I do? Maybe I need a nap ;)

    • Lauren

      Eh, I wouldn’t bother…too much *drama*

      • et

        Haha, I’ll avoid drama. I still have a *little* of the chilled out beach ‘tude left. A little. Northern VA will whip that out of you quickly, lol.

    • Paulie

      I missed the weekend posts too et (and deez’s birthday! Maligayang Bati deez — that’s in Filipino:) ) But OMG 500+ posts? Eep.

  • et

    *Sad little monster with clacky crab claws shuffles in, mourning the beach she left behind*

    Hi (sniff), everyone. I’m (sniff) back. I wanna go back to the beach! *Whine*

    • muzikizmi

      et, welome back!!!! Maybe we can build a sand box, so you will feel more at home.

      • et

        Sand box is good. If it has no jellyfish it might be better than the beach :)

    • Lauren

      You know et, I was starting to wonder where you were this morning. Good thing you didn’t leave me worried for long. :)

  • muzikizmi

    Wow! I missed Jambajim’s post of a few days ago. I am so glad that my other favorite Idol observer makes drop in posts at TI’s place.

    TI, are you going to Mixfest on Monday? I know you already took one for the team, and it is August, so I will understand if the answer is ‘no’. I hope someone gets a good video of Kris and Pat performing ‘The Truth’.

    • deez

      Whaaaaaaaa? JC posted?? I missed it? DAMMITT! (I’m too lazy to look for it, though) Or maybe I saw it and forgot. I am getting old, you know.

    • ross

      muzikizmi, is it definite Pat is going to be there? Or just a rumor?

      • muzikizmi

        It is definitely still a rumor. A poster a MJs ‘confirmed’ it through a friend who works at that station…so….

        It would fit Train’s schedule. They are in Pa. today, off tomorrow, and ‘Joisey’ on Tuesday.

        • ross

          I noticed that about the schedule. I can’t see Pat traveling to Boston just to sing one line of The Truth with Kris, even for marketing purposes, though. So I guess Train would actually play, and be a surprise guest.

          I feel a little funny about this, as I wouldn’t want them being the surprise guest to take all the attention away from Kris and his band. After all, they’re probably the bigger act, right?

          • ross

            Train, I mean.

            I wouldn’t want Kris to be sort of an afterthought, what with all the excitement, should it suddenly happen that Train just appears unannounced.

    • ross

      BTW, cameras aren’t allowed, or so it says on the ticket.

      • sj

        ^worry wort ;>

        LMAO:
        @krisallen Oh crap. What have I done. :) http://tweetphoto.com/36258330

        • et

          LOL, Kris. Spewing plaid everywhere :)

        • ross

          Yeah, I’m a worry wort!

          Anyhow, let’s say I hope if they appear they don’t cut into Kris’s set time, because I’m going in there just to see him.

          I doubt that they’ll be there. I hope so, it would be fun, but a friend of mine thinks the surprise will be Jon Foreman (who’s already playing in the show) dueting with Kris on their song.

          So who knows?

          • muzikizmi

            Ooooh. That would be very cool. I hope it is Jon Foreman.

          • sj

            I hope nobody cuts into KA’s time. That would be a bummer.

          • mtlfan

            oohhhh, Kris and Jon on Lifetime.. would be nice :)
            Train has no concert between 6/29 and 7/9, Pat M. might be in Boston after all.

        • deez

          That photo is hilarious!!

        • JaneRochester

          Kris Allen, Fashion Icon. Who knew?

      • MissMyEm

        BTW, cameras aren’t allowed, or so it says on the ticket.

        This usually doesn’t stop people. Somehow they manage to get cameras in.

        LMAO:
        @krisallen Oh crap. What have I done. :) http://tweetphoto.com/36258330

        LMAO. This guy definitely reads the internet. Definitely. This is why I never get when one of the brilliant reviewers say Kris is not witty. Maybe they don’t think self deprecating humor is funny, but I think it is.

        • ross

          I think they say Kris isn’t witty because they probably haven’t followed anything he’s done since he was on Idol, where he never got a chance to be witty.

          They’re really playing up that surprise on the radio – I just heard it. I have a feeling it may in fact cut into Kris’s time, but they’ve alotted over an hour to him, so it should be okay. I hope.

          • JaneRochester

            I think they say he’s not witty because no one from Arkansas could possibly be witty. Us hillbillies just ain’t that cleever.

            I haven’t figured out why they also say he’s boring. Because you could never accuse a hillbilly of that.

  • pixiepie08

    I have de-lurked. TI have have loved you from a far, now I share attempt to join in.

    • muzikizmi

      Welcome, pixiepie08!

      • pixiepie08

        Thanks, I’m glad to join in the fun. I de-lurked because some other person said they were leaving due to “hate” or what ever, I didn’t quite get what the point was. I adore everyone & love the snark. I first became a fan after reading a post over a year ago where Kris was in a “sandwich” squished by about 5 other guys. They were all piled in a bed together. I loved the post, the humor, and the snark.

        • ross

          OMG, the eyes!

          • cc

            LOL ross. Yay for more horny monsters! Welcome, pixiepie08. *waves back at your monster*

          • ross

            Horny monsters unite!

          • smashemup

            Hey I’m a horny monster too but I don’t have you guys crazy eyes.

    • DeeDee

      Welcome pixiepieo8! Your monster is adorable. I’m very jealous because my monster looks like a big old grouch whose biggest joy in life is to give out tongue lashings. My children would say that was very fitting.

    • MissMyEm

      Welcome pixiepieo. Glad you delurked.

  • muzikizmi

    Uh oh. I just rated a song on Hit Predictor. I think the name was Bring it On Back. It was by a guy or band called Kopek. The guy sounds exactly like Adam Lambert. Well, more like Adam Lambert if Adam had a bit of rocker grit in his voice. Eeeek! The Glamberts may have to turn their attacks away from Kris, to take care of this new threat.

    By the way, the song is really good.

    • muzikizmi

      Another uh oh. Kopek has a song named ‘Fever’, and it’s really good. Do I hear the sound of feets beating a path to Hit Predictor? See, I was a good girl. I said ‘feet’.

      • michelle

        Kopek is a metal band from Dublin, Ireland. The lead singer is Daniel Jordan. They just released their first cd at the end of June called White Collar Lies. (I’d never heard of them before just found all the info on youtube-haha)

        Any way, I can hear the similarites in Daniel and Adam’s voices but I wouldn’t say they sound exactly alike even taking the grit into consideration. (Daniel looks a bit like Jason Castro though. I think it’s the dreads.) But I’ll tell you what, the music is a hell of a lot better than Adam’s thus far.

        • muzikizmi

          I agree about the song quality. After I heard their ‘Fever’, I went to Amason mp3 to play Adam’s song. They are nothing alike. I gave Kopek high ratings at Hit Predictor. I love the songs. I don’t like super high pitched voices in general, but the songs are so good, I may be able to make an exception.

    • nerdgirl

      They will never stop attacking Kris…

    • Pandora

      Nah, they won’t stop attacking Kris. Because we all know that the only singers AL should ever be compared to are others from Idol. It’s OK to compare Kris to others from the outside world though of course.

  • Destry

    Melinda, I love your blog. You are a hilariously witty and snarky writer with excellent taste (John Hamm). I’ve absolutely adored the majority of my fellow commenters here. Y’all are an awesome and entertaining batch! (ross, deez, jukejoint, etc)

    But I guess this blog isn’t for me. While I’ve enjoyed so many threads here, for some reason lately, the general tone has shifted to a weirdly hateful place. I like different opinions and I don’t mind criticism of Adam’s fans or Adam himself. But it just feels like that criticism has swayed more toward excessive insulting of late.

    Many here say that mj’s has become AO2 (a valid argument), but I’d like to point out (just from my perspective) that this blog is starting to feel like an anti-Adam website.

    It’s all good, just not for me. But before I bounce outta here:

    I’m sorry that there are extreme Glamberts who have offended and insulted so many of you and your idols and are irrationally delusional and outright nasty.

    I’m sorry that Adam is getting an E true hollywood story when he doesn’t deserve it.

    I’m sorry that a gay man who finds injustice in being required to beg for forgiveness to the same public that gets turned on/amused by Madonna & Britney, Meryl Streep & Sandra Bullock, Sandra Bullock & Scar Jo, and Lady Gaga vids = a genuinely “not nice” person

    I’m sorry that there are so many horrible things about Adam and that it’s required to go on and on about said horrible things in these threads

    And I’m sorry that it’s entertaining/relevant/fun to degrade Adam in so many ways, no doubt because Glamberts have done the same to Kris so it’s only fair.

    Anyway, I really enjoy a lot of you, just don’t get the amount of hatred is all. BTW, there is more to Adam’s fanbase than middle aged sparkle cows. I’m a 22 year old college student to0 broke to go to a single concert, and neither me nor any of my sparkle cow roommates have ever called Kris bald or praised Adam as a god.

    Long post. Melinda you rock!
    Sparkle Cow Out.

    • Destry

      And that is the first time I’ve ever used the word “nor”

      • margie

        I hope you don’t leave. You are nice and sane!! :) I just do not agree with him having an E! special, but I also don’t think anyone but Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry or Hudson deserves a special either. They have atleast have awards and merits that back up there achievements. Adam does not at this moment other than he was gay on American Idol. That could change in the next few years though.

        Anyway please don’t go. We need a nice mix of fans here. :)

        • caspar

          I hope Destry reconsiders. She has been an asset to this site.

          I want to make it clear (to all, not just to her) that I do nothate Adam. I think he’s an excellent singer and usually very professional. I don’t think he’s evil. I just don’t like some of the things he’s done and said (especially playing the gay card). I can’t admire him at a deeper level, the way many here do with Kris. That said, I’m not really a Kris fan either; I like his character and personality but am not captured by his music, at least to date.

          Adam’s taste level, his worst fans, and the inexplicable love he gets from RCA/19 are all targets for sarcasm, IMO. However, even though TI does not have a rule to the contrary AFAIK, I probably should stay away from expressing my personal distaste for him.

          • ross

            However, even though TI does not have a rule to the contrary AFAIK, I probably should stay away from expressing my personal distaste for him.

            Why should you? You posted in a reasonable way, and gave your opinion. I hope we can all continue to do that and not feel we’re offending anybody.

          • petunia

            Thank you, Caspar, for responding, because I agree with you completely. I don’t see any particular dislike for Adam as a person here, but I do see a lot of (IMO) appropriate snark on choices, attitude, actions etc of both Adam and (some of the OTT/BSC) fans.

            I’m not a big Kris (music) fan, either. I think he’s a great guy who’s well-grounded, willing to work hard, and grateful for his opportunities. I cannot imagine, though, that if he made some WTF choices that there would not also be snark directed at him/fans/who-ever deserved it.

            I think the whole point of this blog is that people are allowed to have their own opinion, right? People are going to like different things. And share those opinions. It’s all good.

      • DeeDee

        Deez, Happy Birthday! Destry I hope you do not leave because you are sane and have a good sense of humor. As a Kris fan I will say that at times his fans seem to get upset because Adam has definitely gotten more promotion and more press than Kris, who actually won the show. This resentment seems to overflow onto Adam for some people I think. Having said that I read through the thread and didn’t see a massive amount of hate directed toward him. I like this blog because these things can be discussed in a rational way.

        • deez

          Danke, DeeDee! (and anybody else i missed)

          • the mighty rose

            it’s already 1st August where i’m at so anyway, selamat hari lahir deez! (that’s happy birthday in malay)

          • deez

            terima kasih! :)

            (That better be right, if not, it’s Google’s fault!)

        • ross

          I’m not a big Kris (music) fan, either. I think he’s a great guy who’s well-grounded, willing to work hard, and grateful for his opportunities. I cannot imagine, though, that if he made some WTF choices that there would not also be snark directed at him/fans/who-ever deserved it.

          Exactly.

    • Lauren

      Noooooo Destry! Don’t go! We all love you! D:

    • deez

      :(

      *sigh* A lot of MJ Glamberts are insane. Destry isn’t one of these people. Do we really want this place to become unwelcoming to EVERY person who is a fan of Adam Lambert? Taking it too far makes us seem just as nutty. She makes some good points.

      • margie

        No I want her to stay. What can we do Lauren and Deez to get her to stay? I like her. :)

        • deez

          Well, I think most of us don’t comment as much @ MJs anymore b/c of the overall tone over there. We need to be careful that we don’t recreate that same feeling here.

          Pointing and laughing is fun (whether it’s at Adam, Kris, fans, or whatever), but it’s possible to accomplish that while not coming across as BSC in our own way. I think when the snarking starts sounding defensive, or when it’s obvious that there’s some other agenda (like concern trolls) it’s best to take a step back. I’m not pointing fingers, because everybody has seen me do the same thing….I just think maybe it’s a good thing to keep in mind.

          • margie

            Deez I didn’t know it was your birthday! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

          • deez

            Thanks Margie!

          • muzikizmi

            Happy birthday, Deez!

          • deez

            Muchas Gracias!

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEZ!!!

            And yes, Destry cannot leave on Deez’s birthday. Good call, Lauren.

          • deez

            Merci TI! I’m running out of languages I know how to say “thanks” in (Japanese is all I got left)

    • Lauren

      Destry you can’t leave on Deez’s birthday! Yes, I am not above giving you a guilt trip if it means that you won’t leave me.

    • MissMyEm

      Destry, I understand where you are coming from implicitly. Many a Kris fan have been driven off Idol boards for the exact reasons you state. The mean and nasty people of other fans just don’t stop. It’s not just on MJs either. There are plenty of other Idol or music boards, including many of Kris’ fanboards because they allow anyone to sign up. Goodness…even his own Official Board gets the occasional nasty hater. I will never understand why that is allowed as acceptable behavior. So in all honesty, I do understand what you mean and how you feel.

      Admittedly I do not like every Idol to have graced their stage, so I’m not sure if I personally have been very hateful towards any of them, particularly Adam, but I do know I’ve been snarky, so I don’t know how one would decipher between hate and snark. But I do know I’m grateful to TI that we are allowed to snark. And not just on Adam. I know I was not very loving in my posts about Nigel Lythgoe either.

      So all I can say is I sympathize with you because I too have left many a board I no longer felt comfortable on and they include fan boards for people I’ve cared for. When one can no longer post because the hatred is too much to take, as in life, it’s time to go.

      I think in Idol fandom there is so much hatred for so many, it’s difficult sometimes to enjoy posting. For example. I don’t hate Constantine or Taylor, but many do and I have heard Constantine, in particular, referred as Constancrap. I know someone who didn’t even watch Season 4 who hates the guy and disparages him every chance she gets. Do I like that? Not particularly, but I do understand that is the way of the Idol world. Is name calling necessary? Not on a public board, if you ask me. However it’s done and sometimes it’s just funny if one doesn’t take it too seriously.

      So I don’t know what else to say. Leaving is entirely your decision. If you change your mind and stay, that’s great. But if you honestly feel you can’t, I hope you can find a place you once again enjoy and only say I hope I’m not one who has driven you off.

      Peace.

      • MissMyEm

        Happy Birthday Deez!

    • maturin

      Are you named for the Destry that was young Jimmy Stewart, who flirted with surprising success with the much older Marlene Dietrich who was playing a whore in a cowboy bar who was called Frenchie even though she had an obvious and inexplicable German accent?

      “Everbuddy have eh dreeenk!!!”

      Because that Destry was awesome.

      Yes, I am trying to distract you but only for your own good so that you will forget to be annoyed any more.

    • saskin

      I don’t think it is polite to commit boardicide. It is desperate and attention seeking. Not you destry, boardicide in general.

      I agree with your point, I wish you had expressed it in a less dramatic way.

      • Peppermint Patty

        I don’t think it is polite to commit boardicide. It is desperate and attention seeking. Not you destry, boardicide in general.

        I couldn’t agree more. It could be that spending too much time in a crazy fandom has made me more cynical than I should be, but as a general principle I find it passive-aggressive, and it puts pressure on existing board members to ask you to stay.

        I think there are better ways of expressing dissatisfaction with a board or fan community.

    • magnacarta

      Did someone really call you a sparkle cow? ’cause I don’t get that vibe from you at all.

      I have to say, I’m not a fan of Lambert, and I still saw comments here that were both insulting and unnecessary, so I can guess how that might have felt for you who is a fan of the guy.

      If you feel you can’t stay here, then no one can force you to stay. However a lot of people here like you and would be genuinely happy if you were to stay. Me included.

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      Destry, don’t go!

      Am I going to have to beg you by email?

      I think we should note that they churn out E! True Hollywood Stories on almost ANYONE with any amount of fame these days. I think the Wiki entry someone posted is wrong…even non-Hollywood types get these now. It’s rather ridiculous. It used to be more about scandal and now its just kind of about…anything.

      Seacrest is employed by E! and 19E. I’m sure there was some influence. There are less deserving people than Adam Lambert to get the E! treatment, trust me. And hell, it is also because of E! the Kardashians are “celebrities.”

      I think doing one on Lambert is less about Adam, than it is proving American Idol still has cultural relevance.

      • saskin

        I think doing one on Lambert is less about Adam, than it is proving American Idol still has cultural relevance.

        I was going to say the exact same thing. I just didn’t care enough to write it. Good for Idol bad for Lambert.

      • Lauren

        You should beg her by email! Talking about email, Destry, if you really leave, you need to get my email from TI before you go :(

      • MissMyEm

        They did one on Clay too. I think they like controversial figures, especially because of the fans. And E! News sleeps with EW who sleeps with Entertainment Tonight who sleeps with E19 who sleeps with whoever is the Chosen One of the Season.

        Usually the stories are boring because you’ve been hearing them since Day 1. I’m surprised they aren’t doing one on Gokey.

        This IMO is just another attempt for E19 to make sure the public knows that the real winner of Season 8 was Lambert. So whatever.

    • rehabilitard

      When people want to leave message board, they just leave. Ones who post long good-bye messages are only seeking attention and do not really want to leave. Just an observation.
      This blog is perfect the way it is.

      Happy Birthday Deez :)

      • deez

        Domo arigato! That’s the only one I had left. (I will have to google for any further replies lol)

        • cc

          Happy birthday, Deez! :D

          • deez

            Spasiba!

            (Russsian! LOL)

          • deez

            Having 3 “S’s” means it’s seriously Russian!!!

          • JaneRochester

            Hope you have /have had a very happy birthday, deez.

            And in honor of my best friend, who is Icelandic, I will offer you another thank you to use when you wish: pakka per fyrir. (only those p’s have long tails sticking up at the top, kind of like some of our monsters, and they’re pronounced “th.” There’s probably an HTML way to do them, but I don’t know what it is.)

          • jukejoint

            Happy Birthday, Deez! That would be Bonne Anniversarire en Francais. (You haven’t done that one yet, have you? Merci! Merci buckets!)

            Also, I don’t know how to say Happy Birthday in Swedish, but thank you is tack. Tack så mycket if you want to be really thanky. The Swedes supposedly say Tack Tack Tack all the time. Kind of a running joke.

            And I got some Icelandic letters for you, Jane. þakka þér. Ther weird b/p thing is called a thorn, according to the Scandinavian linguistic scholar husband.

          • deez

            Tack, JJ!!!!

          • jukejoint

            I had to say Happy Birthday to a Swedish friend today, so I got the husband to tell me how.

            Grattis på födelsedagen!

        • mtlfan

          happy birthday arrow monster!

          • deez

            Pakka per fyrir (I shall never attempt to pronounce that)! Jane, Mtl, and MissMyEm(from earlier) !!!!

        • On The Edge

          Shoot, Happy Belated Birthday Deez! Sorry I didn’t post sooner.

          Unless I did and I don’t remember.

          • deez

            Asante, Edge!!!
            (Swahili!!! I’m pulling out the big guns, as I figure that about wraps up the greetings)

      • JoCeekiwi

        I tend to agree with you rehabilitard!

        • muzikizmi

          Me three!

      • parsenip

        This blog is perfect the way it is.

        Forsooth! (One of the options when I googled a more interesting way to say “yep!”)

    • mtlfan

      i’m an occasional ‘light’ poster so i don’t read everything that’s posted but of what i read here was more the laughing of the whole glambert BSC craziness phenomena (namely the sparkle cows) than attacking Adam himself. Well if you name yourself a sparkling cow, i can understand that you dislike the related posts

    • ross

      Destry, please reconsider and stick around. I enjoy your posts. The blog wouldn’t be the same without you.

      Deez — happy birthday!

      • deez

        Grazie, Ross!

        (Italian! I forgot I knew that one!)

        • margie

          Deez I just have to say Leos rock!!! I might be just be a bit biased though since I am a Leo too :)

          ROAARRRRR!!!!!!!!

          • jukejoint

            Me, too! Leos both rule and roar!

          • deez

            Am I to assume that you two will both be celebrating upcoming birthdays (or did we miss them?)…or not celebrating, as the case may be…lol, if , like me, you will be experiencing the twentysomethingth anniversary of your twenty-first birthday! :)

          • DeeDee

            Me three!

          • DeeDee

            And I refuse to discuss the number.

          • margie

            Not yet. I get to celebrate my day with ol’ Slick Willy (Clinton) :)

            Age.. lol … getting closer to 30.. :(

          • jukejoint

            Mine goes to 11 (like Nigel Tufnel’s volume control).

            And I am no longer discussing my age. But it ain’t 11. I think Marcia Marcia Marcia from the Brady Bunch was born the same year as me and also in August. Year of the Monkey. I love monkeys.

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      I take it Destry has already checked out of here. That’s a shame. She seemed like one of the few cool Adam fans we’ve come across. It’s getting harder to get them to stay and I understand where she’s coming from. But I don’t want Lauren getting lonely either because the place appears hostile to Lambert fans (you’d better not leave, you hear!).

      • ross

        So what do you suggest, V.D.?

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          A bake sale! :)

          Honestly, I have no clue. Maybe we need a troll to drop in for a few laughs.

          • ross

            A bake sale? I’ll make S’mores!!! (Um, not really.)

            People have to say what’s on their minds. In general the posters here express their opinions. They aren’t trying to antagonize each other, or bait each other, so that’s what I like about it. Know what I’m sayin’? Dawg? Also there’s a lot of humor, which is not to be underestimated.

          • muzikizmi

            I am sorry that Destry left, but honestly, she wouldn’t last long as a Kris fan. That takes some toughness. There is nothing that is said here about Adam, that can compare to the image fowling that Kris gets at so many other sites.

          • vtu

            Gotta disagree with you muzikizmi.

            The fact that Kris gets maligned on other AI sites doesn’t and shouldn’t excuse maligning Adam here. I enjoy mocking the Glamberts when they deserve mocking, and I critique Adam (and Kris, and any other AI contestant) when he deserves it, but random, fly-by nastiness about Adam on this blog is no different than random fly-by nastiness about Kris on other blogs.

            Of course, not everyone on this blog participates in that kind of activity, just like not every Glambert at MJ’s makes digs at Kris. Also, some of the Adam-haters on this site aren’t fans of Kris either, so I think the complaint that TI is Kristard-central is overblown. But just as a few nasty people drove most Kris fans away from MJs, I can understand why a few nasty posters here make it harder for Adam fans to enjoy this site. (And by nasty, I mean nasty, not snarky; I think sometimes some posters forget that there is a difference between the two.)

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Muzikizmi, are you’re implying that the occasional Adam-bashing that occurs here is justified because Kris has it worse on other sites? Because that excuse is wearing pretty thin for me. I like this place for the snark and for making fun of over-invested fans, but I don’t think it’s necessary to defend a singer who isn’t aware of our existence other than as part of a collective within his fanbase. We all tend to slip into defensive mode every once in a while, but a few do it more frequently and more intensely than others. That’s some kind of over-investment right there.

          • ross

            I think when a performer seems to aspire to be a celebrity, and court the media, they probably aren’t my type of performer. If they gain fame from working hard to be good, and impressing the audiences, that’s different.

            I’m not going to go crazy for any performer whose main claim to fame is that they’ve been on Entertainment Tonight the most, or have been on the most magazine covers. Or because they do some “controversial” thing. I’ve been around the block too many times for that.

            Do these people love the audience, or do they cynically look at the audience as a bunch of pawns to be manipulated? I guess that’s my whole beef with fame whores.

          • muzikizmi

            Wow, word twisting has begun. NO, I clearly said that nothing said about Adam here, compares to the nastiness directed at Kris at the other sites. I have seen a couple of mild digs, but nothing comparing to a steady, daily drumbeat of’talentless, boring, cheating, failure’.

          • muzikizmi

            Most of the digs here, are aimed at the worst of the ‘Glamberts’ and at the obvious fan manipulation from 19E. It takes an overinvested Glambert to see that as a dig at Adam.

          • ross

            Um, my post above doesn’t seem to be relevant to the discussion, but what I meant was that I think there are reasons some celebs get mocked, and they bring it on themselves and probably deserve it.

            I really don’t like to talk about MJ’s blog because I like her. But since it was brought up, it’s really not the mocking of Kris or the “Kris sucks” comments that are annoying. Those are legitimate opinions. I may disagree, and grit my teeth, but they’re just opinions. What is bad is the baiting, the passive-aggressive stuff, and the “let me start a fan war, then go away, and see how many other people I can piss off/get banned” mentality.

            If we can’t mock Adam around here when he does something ridiculous then there would be no point. Also, it would be a case being bullied/guilted into it.

          • vtu

            I think the dichotomies you’ve set up here don’t really work in the present case, though, Ross. From what I’ve seen of Adam, he both works hard to put on a good show and aspires to be a celebrity. He both loves the audience and uses them to get what he wants. More cynically, you could say he participates in both the artistic and business ends of the entertainment industry.

            In other words, I think there’s a big difference between an Adam Lambert and a Paris Hilton.

          • ross

            My point being that the baiting and so forth doesn’t happen here. Legitimate opinions or even hate, if you hate a performer, should be okay to express.

          • ross

            You make a good point, vtu. I think you’re right.There isn’t a clear dichotomy.

            But I think you actually hit the nail on the head about what bugs me most about Adam. For instance, how can you both love the audience and use them? Can you both love someone and use them? Isn’t this contradictory? Also, how can you concentrate both on being a celebrity and making good music? Or treat music as both art and business at the same time?

            I think integrity will suffer in a situation like that.

          • muzikizmi

            There is definitely a big difference between Adam Lambert and Paris Hilton. That said, taking the Paris Hilton path to celebrity is going to be a turn off to a lot of potential fans. No one call appeal to all music fans. Elvis probably had a lot of detractors in his day.

          • vtu

            You make a good point about the baiting, Ross. I’m not actually suggesting that this blog needs to change anything it’s doing. I’m just saying there are rational reasons why most Adam-fans wouldn’t find this to be the most pleasant place to hang out. The key term in this discussion seems to be “most.” Most posters here are snarky and focus on honest critique. A few occasionally cross the line into just being mean for the sake of being mean, however, and if I were a fan of a target of such comments, I’d have a harder time having fun here because of those comments. That’s all I’m saying.

          • ross

            Okay, I get that.

            I’m beginning to thing saskin is right, though. Boardicide isn’t the best. Now everyone feels like crap. Was that the intention? I always liked Destry but I wish she would have voiced her concerns and then let people discuss them with her, and work it out.

          • vtu

            I struggled a bit with that love ‘em and use ‘em comment even as I was writing it, Ross, because it is difficult to see how one could do both. I think what I’ve seen of Adam in video suggests that he works really hard to put on a good show for his audience, it’s important to him that they have a good time at this concert, he loves performing, and he loves seeing people get excited about the work he’s done. All of those things seem pretty sincere to me.

            On the more cynical side, I think he’s savvy enough to understand that his management and label don’t care about any of the above items. Their interest is in making money, and if Adam doesn’t do that for them, he’s not going to have any further opportunity to put on the good shows and perform for his audience. That’s what I mean when I suggest he’s participating in both the artistic and business sides of the entertainment industry. I do agree, though, that it would be hard to manage both without the art sometimes suffering for the sake of the business.

            Perhaps the question is whether that trade-off between art and business is painful to the artist. I think they all make those compromises, but maybe we judge their commitment to art by how much they struggle with these issues and how much pain it causes them to give in to the business requirements. :)

          • caspar

            I have no idea where this is going to end up, but it’s in reply to Ross’ comment about Adam chasing ‘celebrity’ and ‘loving his audience’ while using them.

            ONLY AN OPINION, but my reading of Adam is that if you gave him a choice between 1) fame and fortune as an actor, model, TV star of some sort (anything other that puts you in the limelight other than as a singer) vs. 2) a decent living as a working musician/songwriter, well, let’s just say I’m very sure which he’d pick. I’m equally sure which Kris would pick. And no, it can’t be proven.

          • vtu

            Adding to my comment: And maybe we also judge them by how much they seem to enjoy the business side of the industry (the photo shoots, red carpet events, award shows, etc.). :)

          • deez

            There’s nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, or having a discussion (much like the present one). My sentiments on the subject tend to fall more in line with those of VD and VTU, and for the most part I try to keep the snark about fans more than about performers.(although when somebody does something stupid, it’s hard to resist…I try not to make it personal though, unless it’s Constantine Maroulis, whose all-encompassing douchebaggery makes him a well-deserved target)

            IMO, there is/are one/some (I’m attempting to be vague, lol) Kris fan(s) who drop by for the sole purpose of “hating” and stirring things up. So yes, it does happen. Do I think Kris gets it just as bad or worse at other sites? Of course! I’m a Kris fan, lol! I will say though, that when the Adam snark gets drawn out to a certain point, discussed at length, chopped up, and autopsied that it can become tiresome (especially to his few fans that still post here). Sometimes the things that are said when the conversation gets to that point aren’t funny (nor are they meant to be). I’ve crossed the line as well, so I don’t mean to sound all superior…I just think Destry was probably referring to fact that sometimes it goes too far. That’s all.

          • ross

            I can’t say I disagree, vtu. Besides, it’s business and art, at the same time, and all these conflicts are inherent in the beast. In fact, I think you can literally love the audience and still use them. That’s probably the essence of show business.

            Adam told Slezak in the post-Idol interview that he’s a “businessman.” For me it’s a matter of personal taste, but unless I happened to also love the artists’s music a lot, I just can’t warm to that, in an artist. A lot of the Glamberts on MJ’s blog love that about Adam, for whatever reason. I find it uninteresting. I want to see an artist consumed with a passion for what he’s doing, not have a cold, hard, businessman’s eye towards it. I tend to like the type of person who has to do what they’re doing even if only ten people get it right now. Because they love it. On the other hand, I tend to be against the marketed, plastic type of personality.

            I think many people here have expressed bewilderment at why Adam, who has all the talent, needs to market himself as a celebrity, a la Britney. I think I too am bewildered by that.

      • Lauren

        I was at a Paramore concert so I missed this discussion.

        My two cents: I am cool with Adam snark and I just ignore the hate, but every once in a while I find myself wondering why we can’t talk about something else for a little while. I am not boardiciding or asking anyone to change anything, but I do think that the over-defensiveness of Kris can get annoying at times. I adore Kris and I am sorry that he is not getting the promo you think he deserves, but he doesn’t need our help. As always, see V.D.’s post for a better version of what I wanted to say.

        • vtu

          Speaking of moving on to other topics, how was the concert?

          • Lauren

            It was AWESOME! I loved Paramore! Hayley is so much fun and she’s adorable! She actually did this Loretta Lynn cover in the middle and it was really good too! She’s such a rocker that I didn’t ever expect to hear a twang in her voice. All in all, I came home exhausted but very happy. :)

          • vtu

            Wow! Loretta Lynn. I love it when artists do a cover of an original that is completely outside of their own genre.

          • sj

            Lauren, did they do Hallelujah? I love that song. She’s amazing on that.

        • deez

          I adore Kris and I am sorry that he is not getting the promo you think he deserves, but he doesn’t need our help.

          I think maybe the lack of promo is a good thing. It will be better for him in the long run, the less he is associated with the show. (that goes for ANY of them, really)

          MAD MEN tonight will give us something else to talk about! YAY!!

          • ross

            BTW, I’m going to see Kris at Mixfest tomorrow night. :)

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I haven’t decided yet if I’m going, Ross, but I might just head down there tomorrow night. Email me and let me know! We can meet up.

          • deez

            WooHoo!!! Will we get a “Rosscap?”

          • ross

            I suck at recaps but I’ll give it a go.

          • parsenip

            I think maybe the lack of promo is a good thing. It will be better for him in the long run, the less he is associated with the show.

            I agree with this and also think the lack of promo is making him have to constantly step up his game to stay in it. Not a thing wrong with that either.

        • JaneRochester

          My daughter and I were at Mall of America two years ago, shopping in (I think) Hot Topic, and she came up to me with eyes like two saucers and said, “OhmygodmomHaleyWilliamsisherewithsomeoftheguysfromtheband!” And I said, “Cool. WTF is Haley Williams?” And she dragged me through the racks to a safe hiding place and pointed her out to me. Then told me who she was. I told her to go say hi but she wouldn’t do it. Clammed like a….clam.

          So that’s what I know about Paramore. :) But I’m glad it was fun. I hear she’s got some serious pipes.

  • undercooked

    Hey Ross, I think my comment is going to end up at the top of the page, but I do agree. I think Adam hit the panic button on the AMAs because he wasn’t singing his best and then he fell on stage. I think the fall really freaked him out.

    Now, what happened after the AMAs was fortunate for Adam as it took the focus away from the actual performance. He’s even admited the vocal wasn’t good on the AMAs. I do think there was some legitimate discussion about double standards (women kissing vs men kissing) so that debate fueled a great deal of the media attention. Of course the kiss was not apart of the rehearsal so I do get why ABC was upset and wanted to punish him. But having said that, before the AMAs Adam was in a public fight with the editor of OUT magazine because the editor didn’t think Adam was being gay enough or something like that. So I think there was a lot of stuff rolling around his head by the time he hit the stage. I think he cracked under the pressure. Perhaps during THS he will discuss this indepth.

    • ross

      Perhaps. :)

    • caspar

      Oh, you all must have a gander at the wiki page for E!True : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E!_True_Hollywood_Story

      Synopsis : Topics covered on the program include salacious re-tellings of Hollywood secrets, show-biz scandals, celebrity murders and mysteries, porn-star biographies, and “where-are-they-now?” investigations of former child stars. It frequently features in-depth interviews, actual courtroom footage, and dramatic reenactments

      Let me throw out some names: Pia Zadora. Jim Varney.Tiny Tim. There’s also a list of nude models they’ve devoted an hour to. Interestingly, they apparently have never covered any ‘hot’ scientists, doctors, philosophers, or philanthropists.

    • smashemup

      You know, the guy on guy kiss was nothing. I doubt many people care about it. It WASN’T about the KISS. It was about the shoving a male dancers face in his crotch. It was about putting his fingers in a female dancers genital area. For me it was also about dragging a female dancer across the stage and the roughness with which he grabbed his bandmate by the hair immediately prior to that pissy little kiss.

      It was nothing like the Madonna and Britney kiss. Did Madonna shove Britney’s head in hear genital area? Or vice versa? The situation is nothing like the same. Stop making it about the kiss. You can’t compare apples to oranges.

      • smashemup

        Oh and BTW I am not an Adam for or a Kris fan either. I am a fan of another idol from another season.

      • undercooked

        I’m not trying to make this about the kiss but the discussion in the media after the AMAs was about the kiss so can we agree on that? I also think there was some discussion about Janet Jackson putting a man’s face in her crotch vs Adam doing the same thing. But really, it doesn’t matter if it was the kiss, or the crotch, because at the at the end of the day, it came down to Adam going off script and ABC having to field some calls because of it. Adam added moves to his live performance that he did not do in rehearsal and he’s admitted as much. That pissed ABC off and they cancelled a couple of his appearances to make their point.

        • smashemup

          Yes. But you brought up it being about the kiss and Adam and his people made sure it was only about the kiss in the media. And they have perpetuated that around the world on his international promo tour. How does that make Americans feel that they made you look like homophobes about a kiss when it wasn’t about a kiss at all? It was about the rest of it but they couldn’t really put that in a “poor Adam” light could they so they went with the kiss. BTW I am not American but I certainly would not be impressed if I was.

          • undercooked

            I brought up the “kiss” because it was in the media and I think it was seen as a “controversy” and that is what probably got Adam his THS episode. Since you are overseas, you may not have seen some of the local coverage on the subject. The picture of Adam’s kiss was blurred during some T.V. news reports yet the Britney/Madonna kiss wasn’t although it was being shown during the same segment. That launched a debate on whether a double standard existed in regards to men kissing vs women kissing. Again, that is just how it shook down. I’m not making a value judgement here. To be honest, I don’t know if ABC received calls about the kiss or not. I don’t think ABC cares one way or another, but they just don’t want to be fined and they don’t want ads pulled.

            By the way, I am an American but I lived in Europe for 5 years. As you know, there is a difference in what is allowed on our T.V. programs vs what is allowed on European T.V. US network stations are somewhat conservative because TV programming is paid for by ads. Believe it or not, there was a time here when a TV married couple had to be shown sleeping in twin beds because if they were shown sharing a bed it might imply they were having sex.

            I am also aware that Americans are not always shown in the best light in the International press. I haven’t seen Adam’s promo for his world tour so I can’t coment on that. You very well may be correct that Adam’s management is milking the AMAs for all they can. I wouldn’t be shocked if they were. But it is also possible that the Interntional press is putting its own spin on things.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            So I guess we can agree that whatever a small portion of people on the interwebs may see as the real issue behind the AMAs performance, the media has played up the kiss over everything else, and therefore it will most likely be relived in the E!THS episode.

            Now on to more important things… That Don Draper…

    • Peppermint Patty

      Now, what happened after the AMAs was fortunate for Adam as it took the focus away from the actual performance.

      This can’t be prove, of course, but I think his management deliberately played it that way so he’d be seen as the “victim” and “controversial” and fewer people would realize how much the performance actually sucked.

      • muzikizmi

        Peppermint Patty, yep. Thankfully some people can still see through 19E’s methods.

  • magnacarta

    I’ve been linked to this woman’s blog, and she thinks Kris should be playing Edward Cullen instead of RPattz:

    http://blog.suchthespot.com/2010/06/the-real-edward/

    • deez

      Ummmmm…I HOPE she’s kidding, but I fear not. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! REALLY?
      JFC.

      Regardless of whether or not she thinks Kris would make a good Edward *snicker*, I still fail to understand how GROWN WOMEN can read that shit.

      • Verbally Dyslexic

        I suppose this is about the right time to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEZ!

        • deez

          Thanks VD!!!! :)

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      Is she saying Kris comes off as a simpering idiot who is into teenaged girls with no appealing personality to speak of???

    • nerdgirl

      Thank you for clarifying who Edward Cullen is. I saw this name, but somehow did not connect it to the Team Edward dude.

      • Lauren

        I really don’t see it…and yes, I am a Twilight fan. lol

        • magnacarta

          I don’t see it either, but I haven’t read the books, and I’m not a fan… but I thought, hey semi-crazy Kris fan, I should post that here lol

          • Destry

            First book was decent, you know, fluffy-cheap-escape type of decent. Last book was the worst piece of fiction I’ve ever read.

            The movies are fantastic! In a how-far-can-you-go-before-rolling-your-eyes-laughing-your-ass-off way :)

  • margie

    Apparently Adam is getting an E!True Hollywood Story….I have to to ask why?

    http://twitpic.com/2a6gfc

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      You’ve gotta be kidding me.

      I also do not want to see E! talk about Burning Man.

    • Dyneri1

      Aren’t most of the people they profile has beens, burnouts and rehab famewhores?

      • margie

        I want to know what they are going to talk about for an hour.

        • ross

          I was thinking that, too.

        • parsenip

          I suppose it depends who’s footing the bill.

    • jukejoint

      I didn’t know that show was still on. I looked at their website and they’re featuring an episode with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his family. How A list.

      • muzikizmi

        E! has always acted as a PR arm of American Idol. They pimp whomever is getting the big 19E push, so this comes as no surprise. Ryan Seacrest does the same thing with his radio show. It is so blatant, I am surprised that entertainment writers have never mentioned it.

        • undercooked

          Clay got an E T”HS in 2008 after he had his son and came out. I really don’t think E did the Clay episode because 19 wanted them to but rather, E focuses on people who have been in the news and perhaps have a bit of controversy. I think the fallout from the AMAs is one of the reasons Adam is getting the THS feature. The timing is right because the AMAs are still somewhat fresh in people’s minds, but it’s far enough down the road that Adam and the media, etc., have more perspective on it.

          • muzikizmi

            I didn’t see Clay’s E! special, but it wasn’t quite a tongue bath, was it? Clay was not in favor with 19, so E! mentions of him, were usually not complimentary. I do expect Adam’s special to glow. If they don’t make him look like the second coming of Elvis, I will change my mind about E! and their relationship to Idol.

          • ross

            No offense, undercooked, but your comment just reminds how sick/bored I am with AMAs/Adam Lambert.

            This has nothing to do with your post, I’m just having a flashback. It now seems forgotten that most people (who don’t care about the “controversial” stuff) were just stunned at how bad the whole performance was after the huge build-up. I still think he put in the controversial stuff out of desperation because he was going down in flames. I remember I didn’t even think about the kiss, or anything, it was just one part of a big hot mess.

            That he was able to parlay that into a cause celebre and make himself out to be the victim of homophobia and come out of it without having to apologize for the badness of it, I have to give him credit for, though I just can’t admire it. I also thought it was unprofessional to spring on-air surprises on ABC.

            It’s sad that a person who apparently has adequate talent can’t make it these days, or doesn’t think he can, without resorting to shock tactics.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I thought the performance was TERRIBLE. It had nothing to do with kissing a man, it was just BAD. It was rushed, clumsy, and forced. But most of all, it was the worst vocal I’ve ever heard from the guy.

          • muzikizmi

            Ross, I agree with your post, except that Adam didn’t turn it into a cause celebre. It was good old 19M and the blond stringy haired guy (head of PR for 19), who follows him everywhere.

            Adam later admitted that he was trying to stand out from (nice way to say upstage) Lady Gaga and Daughtry.

          • caspar

            Well, maybe it was Roger Wydkowski or whatever his name is (the PR guy) who started it, but Adam certainly latched right on to the ‘homophobe’ meme. One of several reasons why I will always silently disagree with the ‘Adam’s really a nice guy’ sentiment that keeps being repeated.

            Anyway, that E! show is indeed an arm of 19M, and Adam will get celebrity treatment. I don’t see how they can give him the ‘international superstar’ title yet without bald-faced lying, though. He has one stinkin’ platinum record that means something. Maybe they’ll just voiceover ‘And he’s earned 12 platinum and 23 gold records’! without saying that they’re in the South Pacific Islands or Eastern Europe or something. And they can layer on the !scandal! with his various drug-taking and sex adventures, leading up to the big reveal on the cover of RS, and then the AMA fiasco (reimagined as a triumph of gay rights activism!)

            Did anybody see on MJs that Harry Connick Jr may still be in the running?!

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I am not into B-roll of Burning Man being used for this E! shit, but that’s a personal thing.

            Harry Connick Jr. was one of the only bright spots in Season 9, but I still think he is way too good to be an Idol judge. I just feel if it it would be a step back for him.

          • ross

            What’s his platinum record? Whataya Want From Me? I stopped following the stats a while ago. Seems when I do try to quote them I’m usually wrong, anyhow.

            Did anyone really find his Rolling Stone ‘confessions’ scandalous?

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Rolling Stone twisted a lot of his “confessions.” They’re the ones who did the whole “I was candy flipping at Burning Man and it came to me that I must try out for American Idol” bullshit.

          • ross

            Ross, I agree with your post, except that Adam didn’t turn it into a cause celebre. It was good old 19M and the blond stringy haired guy (head of PR for 19), who follows him everywhere.

            My mind plays tricks but I thought the next day Adam tweeted something about how when Pink does stuff like this it’s okay, but when a guy does it, it’s not? Very confused.

            Anyhow back on topic, the E True Hollywood Story is something I had no idea was still on TV. I haven’t watched it for 10 years, it seems.

          • nerdgirl

            Way to make Adam even more uncool that he already is. So, the story is going to be about the fat, red-headed child with a dream, who was bullied and then dyed his hair black, lost the weight and was not able to get anywhere in the music business until he lost the reality contest to a boring guy because America is homophobic? Young people like this kind of stories NOT!
            Seems like 19 really trying to unload all theAdam’s CDs that they have anticipated to sell and haven’t so far. Do they realize that they making him in a bigger and bigger joke?

          • Destry

            Wow. It’s so interesting to see how some people perceive him.

          • ross

            Well, I don’t know if it’s making him uncool. That show is publicity, just like anything else.
            I don’t think Adam has a particularly interesting life story any more than any of the other S8 guys. It really depends on if you like him, whether you find his story interesting, because it’s not, inherently, all that interesting.

            Anyhow, the show will have no problem getting pictures and film of Adam, since, other than performing, his favorite thing seems to be posing for pictures.

  • deez

    I promise that one day I will stop posting in this thread, but not just yet. I keep finding stuff:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/popwrap/can_kris_allen_handle_the_truth_JigI4S7vFsFl6TLPZ3UXbP

    This comment from the article covers ALL the bases! Sometimes they forget one of the talking points, but this cow did her homework! A+!

    Frennie

    07/30/2010 4:06 PM

    @JustSayin A small correction. 1.5 bought the single. Barely 300,000 bought the album. Allen is the lowest selling AI winner in the history of the show. And for some reason he’s having trouble selling out the local bars! Kris’s vocals are poor. His stage presence is invisible. He’s barely 5’5 by the looks of those pictures. And he’s losing his hair. Jive records didn’t think he could sell The Truth on his own merits so they added Pat to the mix. IMO that’s kind of embarrassing. Also, the song didn’t make the Billboard top 10. Sorry.

    We’ve all seen the “Kris and David A wear the same clothes” pics, I’m sure. Well apparently, Jive not only has plaid dept for diminutive singers, but a shirt & tie dept as well:

    Image and video hosting by TinyPic

    • ross

      Okay, quick. Which one is hot and which one is not?

      • JaneRochester

        How quick do you want it?

        • MissMyEm

          Thisquick!

          • MissMyEm

            Actually there’s an old picture of Clay Aiken in the same outfit. I can’t remember where it was from but I remember it was some TV show that was taped at the Kodak Theater in Hollywood. Kelly performed as well and she too was wearing the same outfit. Maybe without the tie. It was a show hosted by Seacrest and Rosanna Tavares was on it.

            [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/magnmik/Clay%20on%20TV/OnAIRWITHRYANwithSingingClay2-16-04.jpg[/IMG]

          • MissMyEm

            TI..please fix the image below. And then delete this post. Thanks.

      • Dyneri1

        Well, they both look good to me, in different ways. David is young, but still considered cute.
        He has hot potential, 5-10 years down the road. Kris is hot, in a more mature, though preppy safe white boy way. I think Ace Young has been the all around best looking ‘hot’ guy from the show.

        • JaneRochester

          I wasn’t watching back then, but I agree. Ace is a very handsome man.

          • nerdgirl

            Oh, you haven’t seen Ace’s brothers then. I believe S5 American Idol Rewind is airing on TV Guide channel now – highly recommend to watch for Ace’s brothers. Major eye candy.

  • deez

    Found this link @Mjs…apparently, Cale lost a bet that he could eat 24,000 calories in 10 hours. (He must’ve dreamt he was Michael Phelps)

    Image and video hosting by TinyPic

    • magnacarta

      haha yes, that pic was from Lizzie’s twitter… Katy’s eyes freak me out; they are so big.

      • nerdgirl

        Big Mike would win this bet!

        • deez

          I’m wondering if his facial expression is caused by the loss of cash, or a stomach ache?

  • DeeDee

    Guys go to VFTW, they did get Kris to sign the photoshopped poster of him holding a VFTW sign. Too funny! I would imbed it but I’m a moron.

    • muzikizmi

      Notice that those Worsters are most definitely anti-cows. LOL. Adam wishes his fans looked like that….only guys. Most of the Worsters have come to love ‘who’. He totally gets theirhumor.

    • magnacarta

      Direct link: http://bit.ly/cFhr69

      He might be the only Idol winner VFTW seems to semi-like lol

      • deez

        LOL. What the hell is he wearing though? Is he wearing yellow pants?
        That’s cool that he signed the pic! I read through some of that thread the other day! Brutal! LOL!

        • ross

          I think he’s wearing shorts.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        And remember, he is the ONLY Idol contestant EVER to give a shout out to my blog. He’s a good sport! Even with us HATERS!

        • JaneRochester

          Kris is the epitome of good sport. I can only hope my daughter someday brings one home who’s half that cool.

          • cc

            I agree with you, JaneR. Heck, he had been to handle all the media backlash, Glamberts’ attack,and non-stop questions about Adam with poise since he won AI. (That’s probably why concern trolls are still in force and just waiting for him to fail.) And, he’d been able to show that he does have a really dry *since of humor. ;)

            (*according to Glamvocabulary)

        • nerdgirl

          Yeah, many Idol bloggers started as Kris haters. Because its OK to make conclusion about the person and their wife knowing only that they are from Arkansas (which many people still think is abbreviated as AK) and maybe christian (all christians are the same, of course).
          I didn’t get into reading all the blogs and discussions about Idol in general and Kris specifically until well after the season was over and when I was reading all the blogs and recaps and reviews I was surprised how many bought into the TPTB idea that Kris was boring.
          I never could understand what was so “not boring” about everybody else that season. Was Gokey exciting? Matt Giraud? Scott? Oh, well, TPTB are good at manipulation, so no wonder any people bought (and still buying) into that. At least TI repented…

          • ross

            This is TV. And it’s American Idol, besides! Gokey had the dead wife, don’t forget! Scott was blind!! (Still is.) Come on!!

            Kris wasn’t given a backstory or a hook. What “character” was Kris playing? Nice white guy with nice wife? Boring!! When he sang, he proved he wasn’t boring, but in case you don’t know, a lot of people who watch AI know shit about music. They just know Danny has a dead wife. And Adam wears nail polish.

            Matt? I don’t know why he was considered less boring. That’s a mystery for the ages.

            Also, Matt is a Christian (Wikipedia: “Matt is a Christian, and attends the Richland Bible Church”). And his pre-Idol albums contained religion-inspired music (while Kris’s did not).
            Yet nobody cared if he was a Christian.

          • ross

            Of course, the viewers themselves, the actual people who cast the “millions of votes” — NOT the smart asses and know it alls on TWoP, or wherever — have GREAT TASTE in American Idols, as a rule.

            And they obviously didn’t think ol’ Kris was so boring.

          • cc

            Matt? I don’t know why he was considered less boring. That’s a mystery for the ages

            He got Quatto. ;)

            As for Kris being seen as boring, people already put in their mind he could only do same performance every week. Remember his interview with Slezak when the album came out when he said the public only thought his role/i> on the show about singing mellow songs. Plus, as other have said, he didn’t have any sob story he exploited. It’s all about the music.

          • nerdgirl

            The same performance each week? Sure… if you say so

          • muzikizmi

            Yeah, because Falling Slowly and Heartless are clearly the same song. :D

          • nerdgirl

            And piano and guitar look and sound exactly the same… And sitting on a stool is just the same as standing or jumping around the stage. Boooring!

  • JaneRochester

    I don’t know how to embed videos, but there’s a cute “Late Night Sandwich” (Cheesecake Factory Edition) in this thread at MJ’s:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/american-idols-live-2010-virginia-beach-va.htm#comments

    • deez

      Late Night Fourth-of-a-Sandwich??? Mike is watching the waistline!

      • nerdgirl

        He has to fit in them fancy costumes on tour…

  • Pandora

    For those who missed it, ETMills had a very amusing twitter party last night. This one really made me giggle:

    ETMills No, but I would like to. I hear he is a glittery alien. RT @kradambofan have you ever met Adam lambert?

  • Verbally Dyslexic

    The show should hire a couple of Worsters as consulting producer, so they can pick the judges, select the contestants and decide on the weekly themes. This way Season 10 will close a decade of American Idol by going out in a fiery blaze of WTF. It’s already heading that way anyway, so might as well make a dazzling spectacle of it.

    • Pandora

      At least the Worsters would make it funny.

  • DeeDee

    Jennifer Lopez is the new Idol judge. Wow, did not see that one coming.

    • Nich

      It’s shocking. I hope she can judge.

    • jukejoint

      AND Steven Tyler? Okay, well… That sounds awful. But then, I’ve never been a fan of either dance-pop or shriek-rock. So…

      I guess I’m not the right viewer for the new Idol.

      • Pandora

        Just realized that if you put the genres of these two judges together, who would you get? Perhaps one Adam Lambert. And the pimping goes on.

    • Lauren

      Wait really? Is this official?

      • ross

        So are all the judges going to be people who had big hit songs 10 years ago?

        • ross

          Seriously are they all going to be singers? hat about producers and people like that?

          • ross

            W-hat about producers, and people like them there? God, I’m too upset to type.
            I need a drink.

          • mtlfan

            i think j-lo is a good replacement for Ellen.
            Good versatil artist and she was quite good as a
            mentor. Nice personality and she has a good
            presence.

        • OvenMitt

          Better 10 then 20. I guess this means Idol is making progress.

      • ross
    • Blue Eyes

      Jennifer Lopez & Steven Tyler???? This will definitely be the last year. What a trainwreck!

      • ross

        Unfortunately, Whitney Houston and the Backstreet Boys were unavailable.

        • blacklisted

          How DARE you Ross?! Howie D. would have made a great judge.

          I’m SO happy Ellen is gone. I hope the wicked witch of the west goes next! One good thing with Jennifer Lopez is that even if the contestants suck, she’ll look FABULOUS on the show.

        • jukejoint

          Unfortunately, Whitney Houston and the Backstreet Boys were unavailable.

          And Vanilla Ice and Tiffany turned them down.

          • cc

            How about Bryan Adams?! They can share some royalties to use his music, right? ;)

  • jukejoint

    I’m watching SYTYCD and Allison’s song isn’t doing anything for me. Love her, but… This sounds like some of Adam’s leftover reheated in the microwave. All kind of shouty and faux pretentious and like she’s in a drug haze, which I’m sure she’s not. She always did act older than she is, but this is ridic.

    Oh, and I read some forums to see who people liked on SYTYCD and nobody but SCTYCDism and me seem to like Robert, so I just want to step up and take the blame if you’re wondering who voted for Robert. First time I voted this season, but I thought he was awesome last night and I put my phone where my mouth is. I also wanted to note that they used “Mad World” on the show last night (fabulous number with Billy and Ade) and they used the version from Donnie Darko. I have been wondering why General Hospital didn’t. They are so similar, and Michael Andrews/Gary Jules were there first.

    • cc

      I actually liked the original version of Don’t Waste The Pretty but the one with Orianthi, not so much. Here’s hoping she gets a good bump with their sytycd performance.

    • saskin

      It was awful. I was embarrassed for her. I liked her as a contestant on her album is awful and she was never that good to begin with.

      • saskin

        Wut? It should read ” …contestant on Idol but her album…” Somehow ‘Idol but’ disappeared.

    • Pandora

      Yeah, I thought that version SUCKED. I actually fast-forwarded after half of it.

    • Pandora

      I also noted that they used Gary Jules’ version of Mad World and wondered if the Glambrigade claimed homophobia or just Adam-hatred because they used it instead of Adam’s. I didn’t wonder enough to go to any of the hideouts to find out though, because I’m scared of those places.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Didn’t you see it used on General Hospital? Lip synced by a black drag queen during James Franco’s death scene. I have no idea why the Glamberts aren’t bombarding them with letters and planning a mass boycott. Nothing screams homophobia more than that entire setup!

        • Destry

          It was because Franco was so scrumptiously pretty that we were all too distracted by our own horniness to file the lawsuit. :)

      • saskin

        Since even Idol decided to “make sense” can we stop pretending that there is a “his version” of the song? He is singing the exact same Jules version in a cheesy way.

        • Destry

          Hey! That’s probably why that FlashForward series tanked! It’s because they played the Gary-Jules-Version-Sung-By-Some-Guy-From-American-Idol-In-A-Cheesy-Way on the promos and people were like “ugh! my ears! it’s too cheesy! must shun stupid show!”

    • magnacarta
  • MissMyEm

    I hope Nigel doesn’t bring someone as obnoxious as Mia Michaels on the show. I can definitely see Jessica Simpson on the show. I bet they can play her like a Stradivarius.

    It’s true that they need to clean house on this show judge wise. I bet that’s why Bret Michaels is out. He’s a truly nice guy and probably didn’t want to play by their rules.

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      WTF?? Now I hear Jenny from the Block is taking Ellen’s spot?

      • jukejoint

        They got another dancer who can’t really sing because Paula was so perfect and fabulous??

        • saskin

          IMHO Paula was the only good thing about Idol.

  • Katie112

    Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve noticed a great deal of appreciation for Casey ever since he got screwed over in the Top 3. I don’t know if people genuinely like him, or if it’s just pity. Let’s not forget that this is the same guy who stripped for Kuntra.

    • JaneRochester

      I think some (a lot?) of the appreciation stems from the fact that the Casey we’ve seen post-Idol is a helluva lot more interesting (and charming) than the one we saw on the show. He’s also playing a different kind of music.

      For me, I “genuinely like him,” and see nothing to pity. He’s doing great on the tour, consistently wowing the crowds, and I suspect he’ll be announcing his record deal soon. As for the stripping, I think he just saw Kara as another drunk in a bar like he’d been playing for over the last 10 years. It was certainly no big deal for him.

      Also, I don’t think he got screwed over. Given where his real talents lie, it’s amazing he made it to Top 3 IMO. He is *not* what that show is designed to produce (although I’m mighty glad it did).

    • Nich

      I was a fan of Casey way before the Top 3. Got nothing to do with pity with me and I really don’t give a crap that he took his shirt off for someone. Why is that such a damning moment? Did he make out with her? Did he jump across the table and started going at it? Eh, it wasn’t that big a deal in the long run anyway if that’s the worst that can be said about him.

      • deez

        That whole shirt-removal thing was just odd. The way I remember it, was that he seemed embarrassed, but did it anyway. (maybe thinking, “is this what usually happens? what if I say no? Is she kidding?”) A situation where he wasn’t sure what to do, and wanted to make a good impression, then figured “Oh well…what the heck.” Kara should take the blame for that. These people want to get to Hollywood, for some it’s their last shot. I’m not surprised he did it, but she should not have asked. I don’t believe he would’ve done it without being prompted though, so I don’t don’t see it as selling-out or famewhorish at all. I think his attitude was “I’ll do what it takes to get noticed.” You can’t blame him, they see thousands of contestants, he wanted to be remembered, and he couldn’t audition with the guitar.

        I think he’s more talented than a lot of people give him credit for.

    • On The Edge

      Why does everyone keep forgetting that it was RANDY that first suggested he strip? And Casey didn’t exactly look happy doing it. More like a creepy scene from a Lifetime movie when the creepy pedo neighbor tries to get the teenage daughter to take her shirt off for his video camera. *watched lots of 80′s after-school specials too*

      • DeeDee

        No Casey did not look happy but more like he was going to do what it took to get through. I just wish he had shown some of that determination when he was on the show.

      • jukejoint

        I’m on the same page as you, Edge. It reminded me of the first FAME movie, where Irene Cara takes off her shirt for a creepy “casting agent” or somebody. Yechhhh.

      • deez

        Was it Randy? (I have must have “Roger Clemens disease”, lol)

        • jukejoint

          Drum roll, please! Deez will be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress! And try the veal.

          • ross

            Yeah, it was Randy. I think Kara and what’s-her-face just asked him to unbutton a button or something. But once Randy put the idea in Kara’s head she was all over it.

  • DeeDee

    I just heard on the news that Ellen is off American Idol. No details though.

    • muzikizmi

      Yep. I heard that too. I don’t think anyone is surprised.

      • JaneRochester

        I am! Coulda knocked me over with a feather.

        Pleasepleaseplease go back to a three-judge panel, folks.

        • DeeDee

          Pleasepleaseplease get rid of Kara. I cannot stand that woman!

    • jukejoint

      TV Guide online has an item that says we will find out about big changes on AI on Monday.

      http://www.tvguide.com/News/Biz-Big-American-1021187.aspx

      They’re talking like Nigel is definitely in, and the whole judging panel from last year may be out. I can get down with that.

      • cc

        Yay! Two judges out, two to go. Please, no more Kara and Randy. And a big NO to Jessica Simpson. Ugh.

      • MissMyEm

        Probably because some people know his history as a master manipulator.

    • sj

      Here’s the story at Variety
      http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341bfc7553ef013485d8fe21970c

      Buh-bye, Ellen. Good decision.

    • jukejoint

      People has quotes from Ellen on leaving and everything. It is official. Excellent news. She just wasn’t very good, and hugging people and calling them unripe bananas was more harmful than helpful.

      http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/07/29/ellen-degeneres-bows-out-of-american-idol/

    • Nich

      I am a little surprised because right after the season ended she was all about this big ideas and how she was going to steer the show. But then again after they brought Nigel back I’m not too shocked that she’s gone. Can I hope that they really are wiping out the whole judging panel? Please let Randy go, PLEASE.

    • Katie112

      Well thank god! I never thought Ellen was the slightest bit of funny – not even on her own show – and even a brain-dead monkey could figure out she had no place on the panel. It’s literally as if she was the first person to say “yes” to landing a spot on the judging panel.

    • Blue Eyes

      Happy that Ellen is gone. She wasn’t any good at being a judge. I hope Kara is gone too. Please go back to three judges!!

  • Pandora

    Slightly off-topic, but only slightly: does anyone here live in Raleigh or thereabouts? I’m going to be in the area in a couple of week for work, and I see that there’s a Kris/Maroon 5 show that week. I’ll probably go by myself if I have to, but it’d be more fun to hang out with somebodey.

  • caspar

    Why does the thread I want to comment on always end just as I get to it?!
    Anyway, this is in response to saskin/sj/ross’ comments about the decline of AI being due to the winner of S8 being ignored in favor of a non-winner: I have to point out that something very similar happened in S5- America chose Hicks, AI ignored him and put all their energy into promoting Daughtry, who wasn’t even runner-up. It’s not the first time TPTB pulled this, and although it certainly didn’t help the show, it also didn’t kill it off.

    Also, it seems I’ve posted this a dozen times, but here goes again: S9 started out with quite good ratings, but dropped off as the audience got a gander at the Top 24. The annoying judges, the horrid song choices, etc- really no different than the previous years. It was the contestants that brought the show down last year.

    I don’t believe the audience really expects everyone they vote for to become a big star; they just want to vote for someone they like personally and musically. If you don’t give them contestants they care enough about, and like enough, to spend 2 or 3 hours a week for months on end watching (plus hours and $ voting for), of course the ratings will drop.

    • sj

      Point.

    • ross

      I don’t feel like getting into it all, but just saying, Kris has a hit single that wasn’t his coronation song, which is a promising start to an actual career as a radio artist, while I think Taylor didn’t have that kind of radio success past his coronation song. In fact, Adam (though selling more albums) hasn’t had that kind of success with any single yet. Plus, Kris being young, good looking and easily promotable would beg the question, why not promote him? Has there ever been an Idol winner than would seem to appeal so easily to the demographic that supposedly listens to pop radio, other than maybe Jordin? I also think Kris has been very cooperative with 19 while I had the impression maybe Taylor was more demanding/difficult, which might also explain a few things.

      I think the Taylor-Daughtry thing is just different from the Kris-Adam thing in many ways. Taylor and Daughtry never directly competed in the finale of the show, and therefore you didn’t have the obvious comparisons and rivalries. I think promoting the runner up that the audience obviously didn’t choose is more of an f-you to the audience than promoting some other contestant. I mean, 19 is promoting Alex Lambert a lot but no one is saying it’s an f-you to Tim Urban, because it’s really not.

      • Pandora

        What he said. All of it.

      • mtlfan

        Agree with you ross. One of lamest thing i saw was the Ken Warwick interview where
        he said plainly that Adam was back on idol during season 9 because he didn’t sell enough
        yet records and singles (maybe not the exact wording but that was the spirit of it).
        I wouldn’t have mind if they would have push likewise for Kris

      • Burgundy LaRue

        The Kris-Taylor comparison doesn’t really work. Taylor was hated all around by Idol bigwigs. He was too old, had prematurely grey hair, had a jam-band performance style, and sometimes acted goofy. Plus he brought in the Soul Patrol: middle-aged women who Idol wouldn’t necessarily choose as their demographic. Top that with Taylor not wanting to record his album during the Idol tour that year. So not only was Taylor undesirable, but also labeled difficult.

        It probably didn’t help that looking back, Taylor wasn’t particularly interested in being part of the Idol family. He was a 29-year-old guy who was tired of traveling the bar circuit and saw Idol as a business venture, a way to gain exposure and make more money. He didn’t care about radio play. He just wanted better gigs and more room to promote his indie CDs. He achieved, so I doubt Taylor cares what Idol thinks of him. He’s got it made.

        Plus, it was obvious from the beginning that Daughtry would be the star from that season. He had that Nickelback-type singing going in his favor, so getting on the radio wasn’t going to be a problem. Plus, he’s a decent songwriter and an OK-looking guy.. Daughtry was a slam dunk in terms of success.

        Interestingly, Season 5 was both the best year for Idol in terms of a diverse and deep Top 12, but the worst in that was the year that TPTB made it seem that you could do well without winning. Up to that point, the mantra was “Winning matters. Win at all costs.” After Season 5, it was “See, you don’t have to win to be successful.” That was a big mistake on their part, because they diluted the importance of being crowned champion. They thought they were just hurting Taylor, but they did more damage to themselves in the long run.

        Kris has a lot more going for him in terms of marketability: Young, good-looking, radio-friendly musical tastes, and easy to get along with. But Idol’s PTB had it in their thick skulls that Adam was the easier push, when what they didn’t realize is that Adam has similiar issues to Taylor: and over-invested fanbase and too old to push toward pop stardom.

        Since his debut with “For Your Entertainment” sort of fell flat, RCA/19 has been playing catch up ever since. They’ve done better with Adam since the new year, but late 2009 was bad. “Time for Miracles” wasn’t viable. “For Your Entertainment” crashed and burned on American radio. And they took Adam’s ‘star power’ for granted. While Jive/19 was booking Kris for nearly every Jingle Ball last holiday season, Adam’s team assumed people would just line up to have him on their show. That didn’t happen, and they had to settle for far too many ‘guest appearances’ at radio promotions where he didn’t get to sing. Adam has scored Dick Clark’s New Year’s gig (thanks, Ryan Seacrest!) but the AMA debacle took that out of contention.

        Ultimately, I think the inroads to radio is where Kris is going to win in the ‘battle’ of careers against Kris. Kris has performed at tons of those in-house shows, outdoor concerts, and the like. Not that going to those things automatically means they’ll play his music, but the connections made open the doors for him. Adam has done some of these events this year but for some reason, it doesn’t seem like it. I know he has, but they don’t seem to make as big of an impact for him as for Kris.

        But hey, that’s just my Idol armchair quarterback perspective. It’s not like I know squat, LOL!

        • OvenMitt

          You make some really good points here. It’s funny that you mentioned the Soul Patrol. That demographic they didn’t seem to want turned out to be what is now keeping Idol from falling off the face of the Earth. I didn’t know Taylor refused to record his album while on tour, but that actually seems like a good idea, and one that this season’s signees are employing. Less stress and higher-quality finished product would seem to be the benefit there (and I say “higher-quality finished product” on an Idol alum scale, not a real-world music industry scale!).

          Also, the Adam Lambert Situation has really perplexed me. Why are they relentlessly and zealously pushing him to pop superstardom? If it hasn’t happened by now, considering the nature of pop music, it just isn’t in the cards. What is the man going to do in a few more years when he’s in his mid-30s, trouncing around on stage in glittery leather and vamping and moaning? That just doesn’t sound appealing in the slightest. Who’s that creepy English guy? Gary Glitter? Yeah, it will be to that effect. *bad shivers*

          • MissMyEm

            Totally agree with you Oven Mitt. I think that it’s true that Taylor was more difficult than Kris, but what defines “difficult” in the eyes of E19? Taylor is older than Kris and has been around longer than Kris and probably more set in his ways. Besides, the songs on Taylor’s CD did nothing to expose Taylor’s soulful voice.

            He didn’t care about radio play. He just wanted better gigs and more room to promote his indie CDs. He achieved, so I doubt Taylor cares what Idol thinks of him. He’s got it made
            This is one thing I’ve never heard of. I don’t know Taylor personally, but I can’t see that he would come on Idol, just to go back to playing small gigs and sell indie CDs. I think he did want more, but he probably was not easy to manage like they wanted. And…

            Plus, it was obvious from the beginning that Daughtry would be the star from that season.” He had that Nickelback-type singing going in his favor, so getting on the radio wasn’t going to be a problem. Plus, he’s a decent songwriter and an OK-looking guy.. Daughtry was a slam dunk in terms of success.

            I don’t think it was obvious from the beginning at all. What became obvious was the fact that TPTB thought so and started praising him more making Taylor look more like a boob. Taylor knew how to play their game and did to get where he wanted to be. He’s stated that several times. In reality, Taylor, as a performer, is quite the opposite. But that’s neither here nor there. They hated Taylor, didn’t like Kat McPhee and who remembers who even came in third that year? My belief is that the year before they wanted a rock star. They would have promoted Bo more, I feel IF he didn’t fall so ill. And when Daughtry came along, they had their rock star. I think it’s as simple as that.

            With Lambert…the promotion is just OTT blatant and annoying. And if they didn’t want old soul patrolers…then how come they don’t mind old sparkle cows?

            But I’ll take 10 Daughtrys and 50 Taylor’s to 1 Adam Lambert.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Vonzell, right? Wait…she was the previous year. ELLIOT YAMIN came in 3rd. And he’s actually had a fairly decent career since Idol, especially for a 3rd place finisher.

        • Destry

          Totally Agree. Late 2009 has so far been the lowest point in Adam’s (very short) career what with the AMAs, Time for Miracles, and that horrendous FYE single. (Gah! I still have nightmares about it. Not really.)

          And yeah, since then it definitely feels like his mngt has had to play catch up. All I can say is thank god for Whataya Want From Me, the little hit single that saved the day. (Not smash but hit) Hopefully the high can continue with If I Had You and Sleepwalker.

          Hey, once a hit becomes a smash, what does a smash become? A pulverizer? A Hulk?

        • parsenip

          I emphatically agree with everything you said Burgundy LaRue, and this:

          But Idol’s PTB had it in their thick skulls that Adam was the easier push, when what they didn’t realize is that Adam has similiar issues to Taylor: and over-invested fanbase and too old to push toward pop stardom.

          is the most interesting point (I would also add that Adam, like Taylor, is a polarizing niche performer). It seems inconceivable to me that people whose job it is to know what and who is or isn’t marketable made this choice. And keep making it! It is definately not the obvious move and defies all reason in my opinion.

    • saskin

      Caspar, quite honestly I haven’t thought of that because I didn’t watch that season at all. You are right. Daughtry must have gotten a lot more promotion than the winner. But also people say that that was the peak of Idol. Weren’t 5 or 6 people were signed from that season and are quite successful?

      I semi watched season 6-7-8. I can say that 6 and 7 were lethargic and 8 was manipulated. So I assumed over manipulation was first introduced that season. But maybe not? Did they overly manipulate the judges comments in season 5 to make sure Daughtry wins?

      Also during season 8, I thought that they were treating the kids very very badly except for Gokey and Lambert. All the judges were ganging up on everyone not named Gokey or Lambert and it was annoying. That is the season that they gave Tatiana unbelievable screen time and 3 chances to advance to top 12 where she sang the same song over and over again. That is the season where they let Nick Mitchell make fun of the show over and over ( I love him but it was tasteless). I thought it was more reality TV than music. Reading what you said, I was probably wrong but I thought, ‘whoa, something changed, they are desperate’.

      But to make it clear, I wasn’t blaming Lambert over the demise of the show. I was blaming the blatant disregard of the audience and them quietly watching the media blame Idol watchers for being homophobic after the show. I thought, when you let the media call your audience a bunch of ignorant/homophobic people with bad taste, you risk something. That is why I said they tried to capitalize on a prejudice rather than doing their job. It is sleazy. It is tacky. It is not their position to do that. I think most people remember that detail more than anything else about season 8. Because they did not do any damage control. I think their job was to protect the show. Which they didn’t in my opinion.

      • ross

        Great points, Burgundy LaRue.

        I don’t think anything that the show has done to promote Daughtry (having him back to perform, basically), or anyone else, can begin to compare to having Adam mentor. The screen time alone, the validation, plus the umpteen mentions of his single. It’s something you can literally point to as proof of a “screw you, Kris, we love Adam” attitude on the show’s part.

        Going out as a shock boot – like Daughtry – is different from getting down to two people and one will win. When Daughtry was eliminated there were five people to vote for. There’s vote splitting, there’s song selection, there’s a theme night. When it’s down to the top two, the contestants have had every opportunity. They have tons of publicity going in. They each sing three songs. America then chooses the winner. It was never a contest between Chris and Taylor. But it was, between Adam and Kris. That’s why playing up the person who clearly wasn’t chosen ‘as the winner’ is much more obvious, and much worse, in my opinion.

        • ross

          (Maybe Daughtry was Top 4, not 5? Whatever, same difference.)

        • undercooked

          I do think getting the “Boot” song was a pretty big score for Daughtry. That song was played ever week for the entire season. That song, I believe, was the second single off of his debut album. Then he got to come back and perform it as well.

          • jukejoint

            His song “It’s Not Over” was also used in ads for Prison Break, which was a mid-season, high-buzz show. Blasting his song a hundred times a day in primetime right around Thanksgiving and for what seemed like months after, attached to a hit show, when his single and his album had just come out… Yeah, that didn’t hurt.

          • MissMyEm

            I have heard…and I don’t know whether it’s true or not…but I’ve heard that they had promised Daughtry he was going to win (and I believe he did say this in an interview) which is why he looked so shocked when they eliminated him, so the way to make nice was to give him the boot song the following year and promote him a lot, which they did. I think Chris is a smart cookie and probably got a good lawyer, one not affilliated with E19. But that’s my guess. I never followed Daughtry so I don’t know. I heard from someone who does.

      • Burgundy LaRue

        I was blaming the blatant disregard of the audience and them quietly watching the media blame Idol watchers for being homophobic after the show. I thought, when you let the media call your audience a bunch of ignorant/homophobic people with bad taste, you risk something. That is why I said they tried to capitalize on a prejudice rather than doing their job. It is sleazy. It is tacky.

        The irony is that a number of Idol/19 bigwigs–Simon Cowell, Nigel Lythgoe, et al–have all told jokes and made quips that suggest that they themselves have issues with homosexuality. So to see them try to flip that script on someone else was jokingly sad.

    • sj

      These are all good points. Obviously, there isn’t any one reason for things being the way they are – the show itself, various careers, etc. A lot has gone on and goes on. It’s fascinating. FASCINATING I tell you! :)

    • undercooked

      I agree Casper. This does remind me of S5. Not only did Daughtry get to provide the boot song for the next year, but I swear isn’t he back every season either performing a new song or as part on IGB? How many times has Taylor been back on the show? I also think Taylor fans feel like Taylor has been treated badly by TPTB, i.e. his picture is covered by a potted plant on the “winners’ wall, no one mentions him, etc.

      I was excited about s9 until after Lilly, Alex, etc all got voted off before the top 12. I think the problem is that although many people watch the show, only a fraction of the viewing audience votes. So if the most popular contestant (with the general AI viewing audience, but not necessarily popular with those who vote) gets ousted early, then the only chance for the show to do well is if the remaining contestants are interesting. Taylor was interesting and made good TV, so the show carried on. The first season I voted was S7, although I had been watching on and off since S1. I really wanted Blake to win in S6, but I didn’t bother to vote. So, you know, I’m one of those.

      I am excited about S10. AI does need to appeal to a broader audience so they really need to cast a very diverse group.

      • ross

        I also agree with everyone that last season just sucked. (I also had as my early favorites Lilly and Alex.)

        • snapcracklypop

          The people producing/developing American Idol needs to read all of these comments on this post.

    • jukejoint

      I think the years with the biggest (or maybe most obvious) manipulation are the ones where they have 32 semifinalists and put them in groups. (Seasons 2 and 3 and 8, I think. Not sure what they did the first season.) That way, it’s 2-3 from each group surviving the first week and the majority going home, as opposed to 20 of 24 people surviving the first week and the majority continuing on. It makes pre-semis exposure so much more important and also everything rides on one performance. As What Not to Sing put it, it means the Powers That Be have an even heavier thumb on the scale than usual.

      I think it was pretty clear to everybody that in Season 8, they wanted Danny, Adam and Lil to make it all the way, since they had the “pimp” spots and sang last in each group. Allison and Kris were cannon fodder with little to no pre-semi exposure. I think the only reason they had 13 finalists was because of those two, because they already knew who they wanted in their Top 12 and that didn’t include either Kris or Allison, so then they had to stick in an extra wild card to get in everybody they really wanted. In the Top 13, there were 4 people from Group 1, 3 from Group 3 and SIX from Group 2. That’s 2 extra people from Group 2. I wonder who those two extras were… My theory is that the person who was supposed to make it from Group 3 was that chick who got DQ’d, Joanna somebody, so they had a girl slot they didn’t mind letting somebody they weren’t planning on slide in. Which was Allison.

      In Season 3, Fantasia and Diana DeGarmo were both in Group 1, I think, and they were so pimped from the get-go it wasn’t funny. Simon didn’t like Diana, but she had a TON of screen tme and got the pimp position in her group. Also in that group: Jennifer Hudson, who got a judges’ wildcard, and Marque Lynche, Michael’s brother, who was gorgeous and awesome and didn’t even get to sing on wildcard night. If I had to pick one season with the most blatant pimping, it was probably that one. At the time, everybody was speculating that they were mad that Clay, who was not who they wanted to win, had almost upset their Ruben applecart, and there had been a huge outcry about unfair voting (that there had been some evil plot against Clay by manipulating phone lines and busy signals) they were pulling in the reins to get back control. Worked, too. Fanty was who they wanted to win. And she won.

      • ross

        I was blaming the blatant disregard of the audience and them quietly watching the media blame Idol watchers for being homophobic after the show. I thought, when you let the media call your audience a bunch of ignorant/homophobic people with bad taste, you risk something. That is why I said they tried to capitalize on a prejudice rather than doing their job. It is sleazy. It is tacky.

        That’s actually a great point and something I never thought of, even though I myself resented this implication that my vote was based on some homophobic tendency I was apparently unaware of.

        The thing I’ll never forget is the Larry King Show with the idols, hosted by Seacrest. I remember Ryan asking Adam, with extreme seriousness, why he thought he lost. It was then suggested Danny’s votes went to Kris. At no time did anyone suggest Kris won because, a) people liked him more than Adam, or, b) he was the best performer. It was like, “How did this mistake happen?”

        • DeeDee

          In fairness to Adam, I believe in an interview he said that Kris won because he’s a great artist and he was happy to be a runner up to that. Ryan I do not understand because throughout the season he seemed to really like Kris, but after he couldn’t wait to trash him all over the place. Just a jackass I guess.

        • sj

          “How did this mistake happen?”

          Yeah that shit is annoying as hell. I admire Kris and his restraint. He is one cool guy. In my view, Seacrest, Cowell, TBTB, much of the media, sound like fools and only succeed in displaying their ignorance. I know they have influence but there are intelligent people out there that see through their b.s.

          The thing that consoles me is Kris seems to be very good at keeping his focus on what’s important. I love that he keeps quiet about all the b.s., in public anyway, and just keeps moving forward. I often think that even though he deserves respect from The Show, it’s inspiring to see him succeed without its help. And in many ways, I think he might have dodged a bullet with the way things turned out. Can you imagine if they tried to shove him down throats like they do Adam? That doesn’t work for me at all with Adam or with anyone. It might not have with Kris. Even though he won. I used to scoff at American Idol winners; didn’t take them seriously at all. I know a lot of people who are like that. The people who run The Show have proven themselves to be idiots and so it’s not such a vote of confidence that they promote him. In an ideal world it would be, ideal if they didn’t have their heads up their asses. But they do. On the other hand, as it has been pointed out, the voters gave Kris the win, so yes, he does deserve the respect of the “office”. And if they did promote him, then that would mean that they got their heads out of their asses, so that shoots my rationalization right there, ha ha.

          Anyway, it is what it is. TBTB do what they do and don’t do what they don’t do. And yet, Kris continues to chug right along. He’s young, he’s talented, he’s gaining respect from his peers, and winning fans. He sings beautifully, is a good performer,works hard, has a good sense of humor, makes good music. He has a certain something. (And he’s very nice to look at.) I’m happy.

          So I’ve veered off onto the subject of Kris. Sorry about that. We were talking about the stoopid show…

          • sj

            Boy did I sound like a tard or what. Especially the “displaying their ignorance” bit. I sound like a freaking Glambert. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even TBTB and Ryan Seacrest. But I think it’s more that they betrayed the spirit of the show. They should make up their minds: do they want the show to be what they say it is or do they want to continue to try to make it be what they make it to be? Just get clear, American Idol, so we can adjust accordingly.

        • saskin

          I don’t think anyone here sounds like a glambert. :) No one can. But that campaign was everything you can imagine in a negative campaign. Those who voted for anyone other than Lambert were surprised to learn that they are in fact homophobes. Whatchagonnado? The results scientifically proved that. Those who did not followed the show learned that ignorant homophobic people watch the show. How very inviting for the next season. No? “Watch our show, all ignorant people do.” Ha ha. Sure.

          I mean, come on, that is like the first rule of fight club. You don’t do that.

          • muzikizmi

            Yep. It was quite amazing to watch the American Idol PR machine look the other way, while everyone who supported and/or voted for Kris Allen, was made out to be a homophobic cheater. Then, they expected all of those people to tune right back in, vote, buy music and concert tickets for the next season. Asshats!

          • DeeDee

            I wish people were as discerning as you think. I’m not sure people gave it much thought other than on-line devotees of the show. Unfortunately many people bought the “Adam is a superstar, Kris Allen, who?” nonsense hook, line and sinker. Where it may have hurt the show is that Season 9 contestants really didn’t seem to care if they won or not. Winning was devalued in their eyes and who could blame them? I think this is where Kris Allen showed himself to be one unusual guy. He knew his planned role on the show but refused to give up. His quiet self-confidence is what won him the title I think. None of Season 9 kids had that.

          • muzikizmi

            I think this is where Kris Allen showed himself to be one unusual guy. He knew his planned role on the show but refused to give up. His quiet self-confidence is what won him the title I think. None of Season 9 kids had that.

            I think the producers thought that Kris would give up by now. This is a guy who didn’t quit going on mission trips, just because the first one nearly killed him. I don’t think Kris has any quit in him at all. The harder they diss him, the harder he works. The reviews of his concert performances have gotten steadily better, since the beginning.

    • nerdgirl

      So, American Idol started ruining its brand in Season 5, so with Season 8 the destruction was complete and Season 9 confirmed it.

      As far as Season 9 contestants being horrible – every season has a lot of horrible performers yet people were watching anyway. I personally stopped watching Season 9 when I realized that judges and producers are trying so very hard to erase from everyone memory that Kris Allen have ever existed on the show. Don’t take me wrong – it actually worked out in Kris’ favor, because this helped him to break away from the Idol and the Idol stigma and he’s working his way up as a new artist and not as a reality show winner. It cost him dearly in album sales, but his first single was a hit, he has earned respect of many artists and others in the industry and he retained his integrity.

      As far as American Idol – I will not be watching it or X factor.

      • Michelle

        It was pretty disgusting to watch the producers obviously (to me) suggesting Kris’s breakout song choices from S8 to the contestants in a lame attempt to juice up S9 and yet never ever bring up his name. It got to the point that his MOM publicly commented on it, jeez.

        Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone for the great discussion in this post. I see a lot of points being articulated that have been sort of floating around in my head and they ring true. IMO it’s too late to save the brand and I’m actually getting a little bit of satisfaction seeing the powers that be scrambling around to try to save the ship, cause that means they have FINALLY realized that they messed up, big time.

    • Blue Eyes

      I think Idol/Sony black-listed Taylor and gave him crappy songs to record. Who knows why? He was actually quite lucky to sell 700,000 solely based on his Idol popularity. What they should have done is given Taylor songs similiar to John Mayer’s music, instead they gave him 70′s/80′s sappy ballads and pop crap. That cd is such a disappointment. There are no songs that I like on that cd. I couldn’t believe Just To Feel That Way was the single. I hated that song.

      • Blue Eyes

        Claymates, Glamberts and Soul Patrol….all the same fanbase. Over-invested, obsessive, middle-age, nasty and batshit crazy.

        These type of fans kill careers.

        • nerdgirl

          I am glad Kris got none of these …

  • deez

    A review from Ratna12 @Mj’s says a couple of guys from VFTW were at Kris’s concert last night. (uh-oh!) I just check…no” Who Review” yet, lol. :)

    They had a cow-suited representive show up at Glamnation not too long ago. I wonder if the attendees were wearing monkey suits? (not tuxes, lol)

    • mtlfan

      i saw it today. He tweeted it to Kris. Don’t remember if it was sign or not but Kris had quite a funny face in the pic and he was holding a little stuff monkey. They photoshopped the VFTW logo and wording on top.

      • deez

        LOL….I wonder if they got him to sign it?( I remember that pic!)

  • deez

    I had Chick-Fil-A for lunch. I feel so dirty.

    • JaneRochester

      Was it a sammich?

      • deez

        Yes it was, a #1 combo :) .

    • snapcracklypop

      I love the Spicy Chicken sandwich now. I feel like, once you go spicy – you don’t go back. I was really into the chicken nuggets before (with Chick-Fil-A dipping sauce), but now it’s this one. haha.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol
        • jukejoint

          Best eyebrows ever.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I FLAILED. I FLAILED. Me. Of all people. FLAILING.

            I flail for brows.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            LOL! The day has finally come :D

            Also, it makes me wonder if the eyebrows are a Gallagher thing. Peter Gallagher, Liam and Noah (not related, I know, but still).

          • jukejoint

            I think they’re an Irish thing. Ever see the eyebrows on John Callahan, who used to be on All My Kids? Handsome man. Eyebrows looked like they were going to take flight. And the McCourt Bros.

            But then, there’s also Leonid Brezhnev and Martin Scorcese, so… I guess there’s enough eyebrow to go around all nationalities.

        • saskin

          OMG

        • deez

          Whaaaaaaa? How? You had a conversation with<3<3<3 Peter Gallagher<3<3<3? I rented the Idolmaker about 686436899 times when I was a teenager, lol!

  • Trish

    I knew RollingStone was full of homophobes! Look at this history of hearttrobs on their covers. Are any of them gay?* And where’s the Glam One???

    http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/photos/17394/183591

    *aside from that one JBro and Donny Osmond

    • Trish

      Er, that should read heartTHROBS, and TI, I’m warning you, the first one is going to upset you mightily. Sorry!!!!

    • Trish

      *oh, and George Michael, Zac Efron and Tom Cruise! :-)

      • JaneRochester

        *and James Dean.

        I’m glad to see that Johnny Depp clearly told them to feck off when they asked him to remove his shirt. Guy’s got class.

        • Trish

          LOL. I didn’t know James Dean was gay, but it makes complete sense. LOVED him in “Rebel Without A Cause.”

          • OvenMitt

            Hmm, James Dean? I thought it was Montgomery Clift that was gay, not James Dean. But what do I know; I’m only 30 and not so up on all the closet gay actors of yore. except Rock Hudson. MF Rock Hudson was hot in his day!

          • deez

            Both Clift and Dean were bisexual. (if you believe all the Hollywood stories, anyway) A great many of the popular actors/actresses were.

          • JaneRochester

            OvenMitt, I watched one of Rock’s movies just the other night: “Written on the Wind.” Damn but he was smokin’.

          • ross

            I love Written On The Wind. It has one of my favorite lines. “We’ve come so far from the river.”

          • ross

            Or maybe it was, “How far we’ve come from the river.” Rock says the line great.

      • Legend

        Zac Efron isn’t gay!!! He is hot!

        • Lauren

          Legend, he is hot, I agree, but also gay. There is no possible way that boy is straight.

          • JaneRochester

            LOL!

    • Lauren

      WHY IS JOHN MAYER A HEARTTHROB?!?! LOL, while Adam would be on my list, I understand why he wasn’t included considering all the famous people who have graced their covers.

      • JaneRochester

        I’ll buy John Mayer as a heartthrob loooooong before I’ll agree that Sean Penn is one. He’s a hell of an actor but luvbait? No.

        • Lauren

          But Sean Penn isn’t a douchebag! Sure, he’s not attractive at all, but at least he’s a good person. Oh well, I vote for neither of them as heartthrobs.

        • MissMyEm

          Probably in his beggining days, he was considered one just because
          of his bad boy rep.

    • snapcracklypop

      Hm, interesting Jona Bros cover in which older bro pulling at middle bro’s shirt tight….the center of attention.

  • Trish

    Have to share some video of Our Beloved Goat Boy at the Charlotte show the other night. I don’t know what all was going on with his guitar (guessing the heat and humidity was taking its toil), but DAMN if he isn’t smoking on this.

    THIS to me is sexy. No fondling himself or humping a mic stand, just raw, sweet emotion . . . and talent.

    • Trish

      Ack. Sorry about the size of the video, Melinda!

      • deez

        That was some awesome goatiness. I still think that he (and maybe Aaron from what I’ve been hearing) are the only ones who have “that certain something” this year. Casey could be big if they handle him right. Bluesy Country Rock, good-looking guy, personable….how do you screw that up? (don’t answer that)

        Does he actually have a contract yet? I heard murmurs, but nothing official.

        • caspar

          Yes, he’s the real deal, although I still think he’s more guitar god than singer. All he needs is the right song (of course that’s true of any of them).

        • Trish

          @caspar

          I actually really like his singing voice, but he’s essentially a lovely jeans model without that guitar — although he is infinitely superior to that man-ho Justin Gaston!

        • JaneRochester

          The only way you screw it up is by not signing him, and they better not do that.

          Man, what he does at the midpoint in that song… I never thought I’d see the day that you’d catch something like that at an AI concert. Molto fabuloso!!

          I haven’t heard any confirmation of a signing, but he’s dropped a few hints here and there that don’t leave a lot to the imagination. I guess they’re waiting for the tour to end, although I’m unclear why they would do that. It seems like it would help attendance for the world to hear that someone else has been signed.

        • MissMyEm

          “Casey could be big if they handle him right. Bluesy Country Rock, good-looking guy, personable….how do you screw that up? (don’t answer that)”

          Could be yes, but since when is Idol smart enough to know how to handle the good ones? Can’t remember a one and I’ve been watching forever. Oh maybe Carrie and Chris Daughtry were handled well. Not my favorites, but at least good and handled well. That’s about it, as I think back.

          • DeeDee

            Wasn’t Bo Bice a bluesy, country rock guy with a better voice? He was my favorite that season but things haven’t worked out that well for him right?

          • Trish

            @DeeDee

            I loved Bo, but as I recall, he got very ill during the Idols tour (some intestinal issue or something), and he was forced to record some terrible pop shite that Clive Davis was peddling.

            Nonetheless, Bo has made a very nice life for himself and his family making music. I guess it all depends on how one defines “working out well.” I’m thinking Casey would be thrilled to be able to afford to get married and raise a family on the income he makes from his music.

            Also Bo was more classic southern rock to me; Casey is a little more versatile — he can sing the blues or classic country or rock. Plus he’s better looking than Bo (IMHO).

          • deez

            Yeah, I loved Bo. You are right on all accounts about him too. They did manage to screw THAT one up. He wasn’t a bad looking guy cleaned up, but Casey does have the blue-eyed blonde think going for him. With so much of what what “makes” a star being a certain look, they’d have to be brain dead to not see what they’ve got.

          • JaneRochester

            Amen.

            And I agree with Trish re: Bo. He was before my time, but he’s making a living with the music and in my book that’s pretty darn good.

          • DeeDee

            Didn’t mean to imply Bo was a failure. I love his voice (more important to me than his looks) but I do not hear much about him. I didn’t know about his illness because I didn’t follow him specifically after Idol. I’m sure he is making a good living doing what he loves so that definitely makes him a success.

    • Blue Eyes

      Me like Goat Boy!

      • JaneRochester

        *sigh*

    • sj

      That was enjoyable. Heh heh. :)

    • OvenMitt

      Man, I loved me some Bo Bice in the day. I was irritated that “America” chose Underwood over him. And then they musically castrated him with that horrendous album. I’m hoping and praying that they recall this terrible blunder when (and I say when because I’m pretty certain Casey has signed with Sony) they market Casey, because he’s got the best chance of legitimacy and longevity in this batch. I would include Crystal in that longevity statement, but her stank attitude has made me think she’ll dissent herself into obscurity soon enough, in a Hicksian-type fashion. She’s an irritable one, yessirree.

      • sj

        Yeah what about that? There’s something about Crystal that I’ve never liked from the very beginning, even though I have to concede that she was one of the most talented of Season 9. She still bugs me when I happen to read about something she’s said. I try to ignore her and Lee otherwise.

  • Tw!sted_S!ster

    Wow I just read that Adam’s article you posted and I have to say I kinda agree with it. Also I have to add that I really like Kris’ cover of Paranoid Android a LOT.

    • ross

      It’s interesting because the only song of Adams’ that I ever totally liked was his performance of Come To Me Bend To Me, which was apparently recorded during a perfomance of Brigadoon (where he played, I think the character is called Charlie Dalrymple). It’s beautiful.

      • Tw!sted_S!ster

        I like Adam’s album a lot but to be honest I like his pre-idol stuffs more. Specially the Citizen Vein songs and the song he wrote for the Zodiac Show. Come To Me Bend To Me, My conviction and Heaven on Their Minds are also spectacular. IMO He needs to look back a little and bring some of that into his next album.

        • OvenMitt

          Citizen Vein makes me think of Citizen Dick from the movie Singles. “Touch me, I’m Dick!”. Hehe.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            THANK YOU. THANK YOU SOMEONE FOR SAYING IT. Every time I hear it, I think of Citizen Dick.

            Does Adam say bless you if someone sneezes?

          • OvenMitt

            I don’t know about that, but I’m sure the wailing on his album has blown out a few car windows.

          • auntieaimee

            Heh. Citizen Dick was also “big in Belgium”.

          • OvenMitt

            Personally, I prefer Hey, That’s My Bike to Citizen Dick.

    • snapcracklypop

      Hey Tw1ster_S!ster, Kris did an excellent performance of Paranoid Android at the Greek Theatre. I mean Kris always does great live, but I was impressed the way he and the band did it last Thursday. The song may not be to everyone’s taste, but the way he performed it was so moody and bold. The vocals and the music blended well.

      PA at the Greek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN3Py8oV994

      If ya want the whole set, it’s here (Can’t Stay Away, Heartless, The Truth, Paranoid Android, Alright With Me, Is It Over, Live Like We’re Dying, Come Together): http://bit.ly/kagreek

      • snapcracklypop

        When I say bold, I really mean bad-ass.

        • Tw!sted_S!ster

          yeah that’s the one I was talking about. Bad-ass indeed. I’m not into his Beatles covers that much but Paranoid Android is really that good.

  • mylifeback

    I am severely distressed that I am just now catching up here on the shenanigans and assorted faux concern trolling that went on while I was on vacation (seeing Kris at Red Rocks btw). Deez was banned at MJ’s? That is inherently unfair as the ratio of Glamberts to Kris fans posting there is approximately 372:1, so 372 Glamberts have to be banned now to restore equilibrium on that site. How can that ever be accomplished?

    • deez

      IKR? I think it’s a lost cause.

      • mylifeback

        You need to petition for reinstatement post-haste. You haven’t done anything offensive there in ages since the pooporange escapades.

        • ross

          I thought deez was un-banned.

          • deez

            Actually IDK…I haven’t tried to post. MJ never said otherwise, so I haven’t even tried. She did accept my apology, but IDK it that translates to debanning. Guess I’ll test it out.

            I’ve been checking out tonight’s concert thread (Kris in Reno) the opening act is a local boy and he seems beyond excited in his tweets. I checked him out on YT. He has a nice voice, good sense of humor and is young/nice looking. Should be a good fit. Hope he gets a good reception.

          • deez

            Unbanned!

          • mylifeback

            Woot! Unbanned!!

          • deez

            372:1 ratio restored!

          • Lauren

            Yayyyyy! Nobody can stay mad at you for long, Deez! :)

          • deez

            Well most people ;) .

            I must’ve looked at Weston’s one good performance on YT, lol, The teeters are unkind (yikes)!
            Poor guy!

          • deez

            Here’s the missing “w” from above^.

          • cc

            In those 372, did you also include their sockpuppets? ;)

            OT (and I don’t know where to ask…) what are the dates Kris is opening for Keith Urban?

  • snapcracklypop

    Yeah, I’ve noticed in certain Kris or Adam related articles in which comments were on the obvious that an Adam fan masquerading as a Kris fan. Speaking of masquerades…I’m leaving now to the Glam Nation concert tonight. This was a last minute decision, and I was still able to a get a ticket before it sold out a week or so ago. I got it because the announcement of Allison staying with Adam for the rest of the tour. So as soon I know that both Adam and Allison are in it, I went for it. Wish me luck!

    • Pandora

      What? It didn’t sell out within minutes of going on sale? You must be LYING!!!!

      • ross

        Did it ever come to light why Orianthi left the tour? Lauren, did you ever ask sour?

        • Lauren

          I did ask her. Apparently, they only had the money for one opener and to their surprise, Allison was getting better reviews and fan response than Orianthi, so they kept her instead.

          Snapcracklypop, have fun at Glam Nation! I know you’ll love them both :)

          • ross

            So, are you saying she was originally supposed to play those dates but was fired in favor of Allison?

          • Lauren

            That is exactly what I am saying.

          • jukejoint

            You’re also saying that they pay the opening acts, right? I was never sure how that worked. I thought that the opening acts shared touring costs, which is good for the main act, but I didn’t know how the openers made money or if they were paying the main act to be able to go along with them. Like, some upfront amount, but then got a share of the gate.

            But this sounds like the main act pays the opener so that they get bigger crowds. If Adam is selling out everywhere in five minutes, why would he need an opening act at all, let alone two of them? I’m not asking this to make Adam sound bad. I really don’t get this stuff.

          • deez

            Snapcracklypop, have fun at Glam Nation! I know you’ll love them both

            Seconded! My advice would be to pick out a group of fans who aren’t wearing tophats and/or fingerless gloves and hang out with them! (otherwise I’m afraid you might get distracted)

          • Lauren

            @Juke, I am really not the person to ask about this. lol. I am pretty sure that Adam or his management is responsible for paying any opener’s they may have. I wpould guess the reasons they have them are to keep the crowd excited while Adam is getting ready, make the show longer, etc…

            @Deez, LOL! My advice is to look for Alli-tards!

          • muzikizmi

            That sounds about right, Lauren. Adam’s set is a bit short for as main attractions go, so he needs an opener to fill out the show.

          • OvenMitt

            This makes me kind of sad for Orianthi, because she’s so talented, but I feel that she hasn’t been marketed well. Why did they give her that awful single “According to You” (double ouch if she was the one who wrote it!)? Maybe she needs to be more of a Carlos Santana, singing less, guitaring more, pairing with more adept singers rather than trying to be a pop/rock princess. It’s shaking her legitimacy as a musician.

          • Lauren

            @OvenMitt, I do feel bad for her, but I am actually happy with this decision because I enjoyed Allison’s set more. Orianthi is extremely talented at guitar, but I agree that she isn’t a fabulous singer. I think the Santana route would be good for her musically, but they are trying to capitalize on her beauty and make her a pop/ rock princess.

          • muzikizmi

            Orianthi is a good enough singer for pop music. She is certainly better than Kei$ha, although neither of them has moved me to download a single yet.

          • Lauren

            That’s true. She actually is better than most pop singers I guess I was just comparing to Adam/ Allison since that is who I saw her with.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            I don’t know if I should watch more videos of Orianthi, but from the few that I have seen, all her personality is in her fingers. The rest of her image seems painstakingly manufactured but nothing else comes through in the way she performs. She doesn’t command the stage like guitar gods usually do, and the music doesn’t seem to move her. Maybe that’s because her songs are so trite. To me her style comes across all mechanical and disengaged. I agree with OvenMitt and Lauren about pairing with other singers, she should even explore different music genres so that her playing becomes the focus. But all the same, she still needs to project some personality and emotion in her performances.

    • snapcracklypop

      Concert Recap:

      1. The show is at 7:30pm according to my ticket, but when I arrived Orianthi was playing and was expecting it to be Allison. “I guess she’ll play after her.” After Orianthi finished, they displayed a photo of Adam on the screen while the stage was being set up. I looked on Twitter, and according to Lyndsey Parker – Allison played half an hour earlier. Allison started playing at 7pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got screwed! :(

      2. Didn’t like the girls that were sitting next to me. One of them stepped on my bag, and did not even apologize. The women on my right were okay, though they talked through the concert. The three tallest guys there (at least it seems to me) happen to be placed in front of me in every row. I am not a tall person, and this is why I always prefer great seats for any show or concert these recent years. Okay, maybe the first one in front is a little to the side – but he was annoying, turning around every now and then shouting someone’s name and waving his arms until the end of the show.

      3. Adam. I did not feel I was able to be blown away by him, because the sound/volume of the mic was not loud enough! If Adam did any power vocals, I did not feel it. The music, beats, glittery Adam, lasers, and all were there. Maybe people closer to the stage probably had a better experience. I also thought Adam sounded softer than I expected (not like what I hear from the show nor the Idol Tour), so I don’t know if it’s only just the mic volume being low or if also Adam is not singing with gusto? I’ll never know, unless I see him again and up closer.

      4. Songs I wanted to hear was performed, “Music Again,” “Strut,” “Soaked,” “Whataya Want From Me,” “If I Had You,” “Sleepwalker,” and “Aftermath.” Songs he did NOT sing, but was looking forward to hearing him sing live: “Broken Open” and “For Your Entertainment.” My least favorite songs were also performed: “Fever” “Sure Fire Winners”…hm, dont know what else. I was not a fan the acoustic version of “Whataya Want From Me,” because the melody (by choice) was rushed through. I think the original pace and mood was perfect the way it was. Encore was just “Whole Lotta Love” which was the best performance vocally out of all songs combined at this show. I actually like his Idol Tour version better, but anyway.

      Conclusion: Positives. I got to see Adam in person, and he sang most of the songs that I liked. I think Monte is sick. I loved what he did with Gnarls Barkley’s “Crazy” back at the Kradison concert when I saw the YouTube videos (made the song sexy). As for the concert itself, I was not blown away or wow-ed as I thought I would be, I blame it mostly on the sound/volume not being high enough first. I was also distracted by my seating situation and the people around me. Costume wise, kind of what I expected. His chest was shimmery when he wore that vest looking thing. And of course I felt cheated when I didn’t get to see Allison :(

      • Lauren

        I’m sorry you didn’t get to see Allison! That’s awful :( How large was the venue you were in? I highly recommend seeing the show in smaller venues and standing in the “mosh” pit. (Nobody actually moshes.)

        Maybe it was the sound or maybe Adam is getting tired? He is doing A LOT of shows.

        • snapcracklypop

          Yeah, I figured if I was near the front, it would be better. I was on the side, halfway up the amphitheatre. The venue was probably too big and whoever did sound – didn’t amplify it enough. It’s outdoors too. I did overhear a fan saying this is the place with the most people, so maybe it was too big. I’m spoiled by good seats, so this is a one off where I settled with mediocre seats because I wanted to see the Adison live. I did see Adam afterwards…um, behind a lot of fans though, haha. Took a few pics. Allison was probably long gone, so I saw no redhead at all. Next time Allison…next time…

        • Katie112

          Or maybe he just plain sucks?

          • Lauren

            Well, I think she was more saying that she wasn’t blown away than that she thought it was a legitimately bad concert. :)

          • snapcracklypop

            Pretty much Lauren, he doesn’t suck but just different in the way he approaches the show. I guess if Adam drives you wild, then go to Adam’s concert. Adam says he does what the music makes him feel, and the vibe I get from him is “I’ll show you how this makes me feel” with the production/costumes/makeup/dancers and putting on a performance. Kris is more like “This is the story/my experience and how I feel” and it comes out in the music and performance but doesn’t end there. It’s like a reverb, because then he feels the music and he feeds off of it as well as the band does. If you look at the “Falling Slowly” video – Cale’s expression kind of reflects off of how Kris is giving off.

            What surprised me was that Adam preached between songs, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. The weird thing is I don’t think he realized he pretty much preached/quoted something from the Bible and didn’t know it (oops). Something about no matter what you do and how things are (his examples were sex-life, etc.), it’s nothing if it’s not without love. I guess he wants to makes sure fans get the message from the song he’s about to sing which was “If I Had You” (one of his higher energy performances).

          • Lauren

            LOL I didn’t notice that about the preaching. I haven’t read the bible and I am guessing Adam hasn’t either, so I am sure he didn’t realize. xD

      • snapcracklypop

        Shirley Halperin just a recap and she even noticed the same thing. I wonder where she sat? Just so people know I’m not making this up.

        In truth, there were areas in the amphitheater where the vocal volume was severely lacking. Any die-hard would want Lambert’s live voice to pierce their very being, so while turning it up to 11 was probably an O.C. Fair no-go, in some spots the sound barely cracked seven.

        http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/07/live-review-adam-lambert-at-the-pacific-amphitheater.html

        She also seem similarly agree on “Whole Lotta Love” vocally (although I didn’t realize Mad World was snuck into there in the beginning? It must have been quick).

        • Lauren

          That’s strange that they messed up the sound. It was loud enough when I went in Norfolk, but I did notice that it wasn’t ear-piercing the way most concerts are. I am still not sure whether I like the slowed down “Whole Lotta Love” better or not. I think I am leaning toward his original though.

          • snapcracklypop

            Yeah, I’m not sure if I like the slowed down version that much either. I like his Idol Tour version much much better. Actually, I like the “Idol Tour” Adam in general…since it was more classic rock and powerful. I just meant, that the “Whole Lotta Love” at this concert was the only song that stuck out in which he showed off vocally.

          • Lauren

            One of my all-time favorite songs of his was “Starlight” which he sang on tour. I also have made no secret my love for “Soaked.” He needs to join Muse. :)

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Adam Lambert does not belong in Muse.

          • DeeDee

            Lauren you recommended awhile ago that I listen again to Soaked and I did. Honestly I did not like it much- too overproduced for my taste. I do like several other songs though. I like Sleepwalker, For Your Entertainment and If I Had You the most. Thanks for getting me to take another listen.

          • Lauren

            LOL ironically “For Your Entertainment” is one of my LEAST favorite songs on his album. Different tastes I guess. I am glad you found something you liked though. :)

          • DeeDee

            LOL! I guess I like the dance pop stuff. I don’t think those songs showcase Adam’s voice much but they are fun.

          • ross

            Here’s a not-great review of Adam’s show, and, shockingly, there are only seven comments on it!

            http://www.ocregister.com/entertainment/lambert-259677-idol-album.html

  • deez

    Jambajim’s MTV article on “The Truth” video:

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1644550/20100727/allen__kris.jhtml?xrs=share_twitter

    The first comment under the video is this one:

    Marvo commented | 1 hour ago
    Whoa! Dude is short and he makes a storm in the desert sound boring.

    Lolololol. Short? check. Boring? check. Dammitt! Marvo forgot “bald”!

    • mtlfan

      It was removed.. i noticed that another one of the same crap + Jim dissing was removed.
      Maybe they spotted the usual bashers and they just get rid of their crap now?

      • MissMyEm

        Good. The BSCs think they’re smarter than everyone else. I’m glad to see that people can smell them a mile away.

    • ross

      “Yeah, I have an orb,” Allen boasted.

      :D

      • deez

        That was funny. I liked the “thought I was Ellen Page” comment as well. LOL
        (I really want to see Inception!)

    • mylifeback

      I think all the fun comments were removed. I just posted a comment & it was only comments of the normal, sane, non-BSC variety.

  • Blue Eyes

    I just watched the Clay/Reuben vid. That was painful to watch. It looked like a Vegas/cruise ship cheesy lounge act. Wow, just bad.

  • saskin

    I love Joshua Jackson. I’m not sure Fringe works but I don’t think Jackson is the reason for the lack of consistency. I blame J. J. Abrams for that.

    I hope Lythgoe is going back to Idol. Those retards need someone who can at least think. I know Lythgoe is this and that. But. I tried to watch Idol seasons 6, 7 and 8 and stopped watching after a couple of episodes. None of them grabbed my attention the way SYTYCD grabbed it this season. SYTYCD is entertaining. Idol? Boring. But I am kinda afraid that might mean he will be in the judging panel. Not really afraid. He is better than all three left in the panel and Simon. Just that I was hoping Harry Connick Jr. would be a judge. You know what? I think Ellen should replace Ryan-the-a**hole. Get Pauler back. Get rid of Kara. Jackson, HCJ, Pauler and Lythgoe as judges. So there is a producer and a representative of pop, jazz and R&B in the panel. They need someone to represent jazz for sure. And more singing. Duets every week, starting top 12.

    I don’t know what to say about Clay. I don’t know him at all but I think singing is not stellar in that clip. Of course cell phone recording does not represent. But still. I think he is the perfect representative of an Idol alum; somewhat capable of singing but has no style, nothing attractive about him. No wonder he is where he is. He should be grateful none-the-less. He should be nowhere, he is where he is thanks to Idol.

    @ Those who mentioned that they think the pants are related to another idol alum; it is called referential delusion. Check it out.

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      I was able to get into Fringe more this season. And while I loved Star Trek, J.J. Abrams still bugs the shit out of me for some reason.

    • saskin

      I am replying to my own comment but; Former ‘Idol’ Producer Is Said to Be Coming Back . Apparently Lythgoe is returning to represent CKX. I don’t know what that means but Fremantle is the TV entertainment group while CFX manages the singers’ careers.

      Also there are news that all hell might break loose with Lythgoe’s return. Some are reporting that he might fire all the judges panel and start over. Elton John and Pauler’s names are being thrown around aaaaaannnnndddd (ta da) Kara’s contract is not renewed. Yet. Heh.

      • saskin

        Actually after I wrote this, I realized that panel change cannot happen this year. They already started the auditions. No? Too bad. That means I am not watching this year.

        • Mary

          I might be wrong about this saskin but aren’t the auditions just in front of the producers right now? Don’t they perform in front of the judges a month later?

          • saskin

            I don’t know. Do they?

          • jukejoint

            You’re right, Mary. First they do the cattle calls with the million zillion people in stadiums and the crazy people in chicken costumes and whatever. So the stadium singers have to get past interns or something in round one to sing for the producers in round two, who decide who will come back months later in round three to sing to whatever judges they’ve enlisted this year, not all of whom will necessarily be on the panel on the show.

            Like it was Simon, Randy, Kara and assorted guest judges (Avril Lavigne, Posh Spice, some Jonas Brother, etc.) last year who showed up in the audition cities to see who the producers sent them, and that was months after the singers had initially auditioned in that city. But no Ellen, since she hadn’t been added yet.

            Then that panel sends them on to Hollywood, which is round four, and so far, it’s been the real judges in Hollywood. They decide who will be the Top 24 or 32 or whatever they’re doing this time. And that’s all the rounds I know of.

          • Mary

            Ahhh thanks for clearing that up jukejoint. Hopefully at the second round they announce who will be replacing Simon (and hopefully Randy and Kara and Ellen) to put a stop to those annoying rumors. And apparently theres a rumor that Jessica Simpson was approached for the job?

      • ross

        Nigel is apparently not returning as an executive producer. Those are still Ken Warwick and Cecile Frot-Coutaz (sp?). So I don’t think Nigel will have the power to replace the judges.

        Personally I don’t think it matters all that much about the judges. I think they need to make newer songs available to the idols and they need to come up with themes that allow the kids to play music relevant to their own lives, not Elvis night.

        • saskin

          I totally agree ross. They need to 1-sing newer songs 2-be able to project their own styles (genres if I may) for the competition.

          The way i understand it from the NYT article is; there are many different groups involved in the production of Idol; Fremantle (the TV group), CKX (which 19E is a part of and is responsible for the careers if the singers after the show), Sony (which distributes the music produced by Idols) and Fox (which broadcasts the show). Fremantle owns 1/3 of the rights of the show and CKX owns 2/3.

          Now if you followed the headlines threads at MJ’s there has been quite a few interesting news this year. Sillerman and Fuller are continuously are bidding to takeover CKX. They are bidding around 550-600 million for a company worth 350 that is more than 50 million in debt. It looks awful, but it is bargain basement price. Sony on the other hand bailed as a provider of label and looks like prefers to work with Cowell’s X-factor. Universal’s name is being tossed around for a replacement.

          Kenny is an exec. prod. of Fremantle, the TV group. They are responsible for making an entertaining show. He says that CKX did not have a producer on the show since 2008. Seasons 8-9. I believe him. Now the word is, Lythegoe will return to represent CKX. It might mean a bunch of things. First of all, I think it means that the board of CKX thinks that the bidders are bidding too low (and they are). They are trying to increase the price of the product by re-installing Lythgoe. Not that he can do much after the whole Lambert episode. Secondly it means that Kenny f’ed up big time. Which he did. We all watched in amazement how much he f’ed up during the whole Lambert episode. I’ve been saying that business-wise it made no sense what-so-ever. It didn’t at the end of the day. It was (maybe) entertaining for the show. But he had no value as a musical artist for the producing company (CKX) at all. Not only that, as I repeatedly said, that whole episode killed whatever tiny credibility they had. Season 9 was an even bigger disappointment. But probably because of the whole season 8 fiasco. So CKX decided to choose someone to make some business savvy decisions about Idol producing some marketable artists. As if. Heh. If I were their advisor I would advise them to sell it and get over with it. I am kidding of course. But not really. I personally don’t believe that the damage can be repaired. The artists comig out of the show already have the Idol stigma, and now they have to deal with the credibility of the show stigma. Tough stuff. But that is why I don’t own a business and they do. May be they can undo the damage.

          So what Kenny is saying might be or might not be true. But it does not matter. If Lythgoe goes back; he will be the “decider” not Kenny. And if my understanding of the situation is right (and I understand that many journalists are seeing it the same way that I do) the only way to fix the problem it is to scratch it and start over. That is why there are all those speculations out there.

          • sj

            “We all watched in amazement how much he f’ed up during the whole Lambert episode.”

            Saskin, I’m curious about what you’re referring to here. Are you referring to Adam Lambert not winning? The entire season 8? Or something else? Just curious.

            Thanks for the breakdown on that. It’s fascinating.

          • saskin

            @ sj; you’re right, I realized I wrote as if it is a fact that he f’ed up. It is not a fact. It is just my opinion. I don’t know anything about the entertainment industry. I know a little something something about finance. But not that much. My whole assumption was based on the fact that investors are people and they would rather not see their investment go down the drain. And last 2 seasons did not produce any tangible results at all. (Glamberts, please save me the usual treatment. Yeah. He is a rawk gahd. Rising Stah. Whatever.) Everyone is openly talking that the show is on the decline. etc. They are losing money. It does not help at all that the bidders are the CEO (Fuller) and %20+ owner (Sillerman) of the company who are actually trying to take over the whole thing. Bummer.

            That said, I think f-up was trying to sell Americans a prejudice against themselves rather than doing their job and selling music. It works in other countries. But not in the US. I knew that. I am surprised that they did not. But they didn’t even realize that it didn’t work even after it was obvious. They had a small window of opportunity to backtrack and save the show, and guess what? They didn’t. Which was an even bigger f-up. They ran the show to the ground. My opinion only.

            But how do you feel after season 8? Do you feel like Idol can produce another genuinely good singer? Or do you feel like it is manipulated? Are you willing to buy into their promise? Do you think they can recruit new watcher that are naive enough to buy into the old crap? Or do you think they need to change? The chances are, the investors are thinking what you’re thinking.

          • sj

            I realize you’re stating your opinion and it’s a good perspective. So I’m deducing you’re referring to the manipulation of the judges and producers re Adam Lambert and S8 in general.

            You’re questions are interesting. I loved season 8 in spite of all the shenanigans, I have to say. And the reason for that was that the personalities of the contestants transcended the b.s. dished out by the judges and producers. I thought the final 5, 4, and especially 2 contestants were compelling and entertaining and talented and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn’t vote in the finale because I liked them both equally and I didn’t care who won at the time. It turns out I like Kris’ music better than Adam’s after the show was over, but as far as the TV show, it was great TV. I looked forward to season 9 because I hoped for a similar experience and I was sorely disappointed. I had no real interest in any of the contestants and I still don’t. I felt jaded and manipulated by the producers and judges and it was an unsatisfying bore. There are so many elements and variables involved in producing a good show and they missed. I think you’re right. I think they f’d up the show long before S9. It started in S8, I agree, from the very beginning. (What’s so cool, though, is that Kris, against all odds, won. That was really something, as I look back in hindsight).

            I think they need to find their innocence. The show is dirty.

          • auntieaimee

            saskin, you bring up some interesting points. I think a lot of the hype built up around Adam during season 8 was to bring in more viewers to a fading show. First and foremost, Idol is a television program and it’s one that is trying to hold onto market share. That’s not to say that Adam is not talented, he is.

          • saskin

            auntieaimee, I agree. Seasons 6 and 7 was at best stagnant. I think maybe they wanted to bring some star power to the show in Lambert. It brought enthusiasm (and contributed to the internet community the now infamous delusional crowd called the glamberts, thank you very much), but not ratings. It was either the lowest watched Idol finale or tied with season 3 for the lowest, or something. They should have gotten a clue right there. It backfired. Then in season 9 rather than fixing the problem, they put Lambert back on?!? I was like WTF?

            What I am saying has nothing to do with his talent. He might be talented. But so are 100s of thousand people out there trying to earn their money by doing music. He is not any different from them at all. In what universe does it make any sense to use 2 seasons to promote one guy? If I were an investor, I would be furious that all this $$$ was invested in a lost cause and all the while caused the show to lose credibility. I imagine they are too. He will go away but the show will stay. But how? I think sj summed up beautifully; “… they need to find their innocence. The show is dirty.” Can they? I don’t think so. We’ll see. I kinda like to follow this story. Sorry if I am going on and on about this but to me it is more exciting than anything else Idol might offer.

          • sj

            “Sorry if I am going on and on about this but to me it is more exciting than anything else Idol might offer.”

            I totally agree Saskin!

          • nerdgirl

            American Idol completely destroyed their brand. The premise of the show was very simple – kids sing, judges give their opinion, America votes = America decides who the winner is.
            Introduction of Judges Save was first “F U” to America, but following complete disrespect for the winner and continuous promotion of the loser (or runner up, if you prefer) was another “F U”. So, America stopped caring = Season 9 disaster. I think, contestant were not caring either, they were trying to please producers and not to wow America. So, big money-making machine went down the drain. Good luck trying to repair this damage!

          • ross

            That said, I think f-up was trying to sell Americans a prejudice against themselves rather than doing their job and selling music. It works in other countries. But not in the US. I knew that. I am surprised that they did not. But they didn’t even realize that it didn’t work even after it was obvious.

            I’ve read and re-read this tryiing to figure out what you mean, saskin. Can you clarify it for me? Thanks.

            Also, I have to ask: maybe I’m missing your point, but did huge music stars really emerge from, say, Seasons 6 and 7 (as opposed to 8)? Because I don’t really think so.

            following complete disrespect for the winner and continuous promotion of the loser (or runner up, if you prefer) was another “F U”. So, America stopped caring = Season 9 disaster. I think, contestant were not caring either, they were trying to please producers and not to wow America.

            I believe this, nerdgirl. AI is an audience-participation show where America chooses the winner. The whole show is based on “who will win?” Then they behave as if it’s not important how we voted.

            I also agree that last season most of the finalists didn’t seem to care enough about pleasing the audience. They seemed more interested in themselves and their careers. This might not be the case, but it was the impression I had.

          • muzikizmi

            nerdgirl, that is exactly the way I see it. Season 8 proved that voting for your favorite is a huge waste of time. The title means nothing, without the big bucks promo that are supposed to go with it.

          • ross

            Don’t know what happened, there. I put the brackets in the right places but it still appears messed up on the screen. Last week I italicized a word and the whole second part of my post was italicized.

          • saskin

            @ross, I was trying to think like someone who does not pay any attention to Idol. For them, I think Idol is like a production company that does open auditions for a singer, the watchers are the focus group and the judges are the experts. Focus group decided on one thing and they focused on the one that the focus group did not choose. Dude? WTF?

            So I am saying what everyone else is saying. After season 8 there is not point in voting. You don’t discourage and insult your watchers. That is stupid. To decipher what I said, American’s have too high self esteem to be bullied into doing something they do not want to do (I can say it. It is OK. I am not American. So it is not bragging. :) ). I knew that. They should’ve known that too.

            Also… Nigel said “this was first 2 girl routine on American Idol“. Heh. Then he said something along the lines of “guess where my mind is”. He is baaackkkk.

          • ross

            So I am saying what everyone else is saying. After season 8 there is not point in voting. You don’t discourage and insult your watchers. That is stupid. To decipher what I said, American’s have too high self esteem to be bullied into doing something they do not want to do (I can say it. It is OK. I am not American. So it is not bragging. ). I knew that. They should’ve known that too.

            Thanks, saskin. That’s clearer to me now. I agree with it. Funny thing is, I did stop voting, myself. About midway through the season (though I voted a bit for Casey, to try to get him to Top 2). It was partly because nobody inspired me to vote, much, but it was also around the time Adam mentored. And I realized AI was telling me don’t bother to vote, we’ll do whatever we want to do, anyway. And try to make you like it.

            You said Americans’ self esteem is too high to be bullied into doing something they don’t want to do. I think that’s probably true. Also, I think we have a sense of fair play, and when that’s violated it doesn’t feel right.

          • jukejoint

            But the problem is that they keep doing it (trying to convince us that we should like who they want us to like instead of who we might like otherwise). And it seems to work fairly well on SYTYCD. That Kent child isn’t as good as Adechike or Robert or Billy, but they gave him so much pimpage and have tongue-basted him so much that the viewing audience seems to want to adopt him, and he’s going to coast to a victory based on all the early PR and gushing. Maybe SYTYCD is easier because it has fewer voters. I don’t know. But if Nigel tells everybody to vote for Sabra, Sabra wins. If they set up Benji as unbeatable, Benji is unbeatable. So now Nigel wants Kent, they gave Kent more screentime and more pimpage than anybody except maybe Alex Wong, and when Alex went down, Kent became the prohibitive favorite. By hook or by crook, Kent is going to win.

            Not that it matters. With no record contract on the table, it doesn’t really make a difference who wins. Except that the winner sticks around longer and we get to see them dance longer, so, for purely selfish reasons, I want to see more of the dancers I like better. And I will never forgive the show for the whole Danny Tidwell thing.

            Back to AI… If they bring Nigel back, or cast Jessica Simpson (I can only see her in the Paula role, not the Simon one. That means Ellen would be Simon, which is not a very good fit.), then they’re doing it just to throw lots of things against the wall and see what gets them the buzz back. They can try bringing Phil DeWheezy on as a mentor, but I sincerely doubt anyone will tune in for that. I bet, if they’re talking to Jessica, it’s just to guest judge. Which would actually maybe get some buzz, if they fire Kara and Randy and bring in different judges every week. Like Ellen (since we seem to be stuck with her) with Harry Connick Jr and Jessica Simpson one week and then with Nicole whatsername, the Pussycat Doll, and Chris Isaak the next. I might even watch if the guest judges were John Mayer and his Sexual Napalm and they had to sit next to each other.

            But I think all of that is missing the point. Too much of a spotlight on the judges is why we’re in this mess in the first place.

            My bottom line: Boot Seacrest, boot Ellen, boot Kara, boot Randy… And then we’ll talk.

  • girl from mars

    Ahahahahahaha I got to the part where Clay sings “South Central does it like nobody does” and I lost it hahahahahahaha.

    Holler at my ginormous ass if you come to NYC to see this mess. I’d go but I’m afraid I’d go into labor and my child WILL NOT be born at a Clay Aiken concert.

  • snapcracklypop

    If interested, I was able to record most of this rare performance of “To Make You Feel My Love” (which Kris sang on Idol last year). The staff at this venue were nazis when it comes to recording video, so I was only able to do “Falling Slowly” and this one.

    • maturin

      Dammit, that sweet and excellent Falling Slowly is making me so sad I won’t be at Mixfest in Boston where Kris is about to be. I keep hearing commercials for it.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        When is that? I still need to buy a ticket. That’s at my favorite outdoor venue, too.

        • ross

          August 2nd, I think.

    • MissMyEm

      But it was beautiful, wasn’t it SCP? You did well. And yeah…they were video Nazis.

      • snapcracklypop

        Kris coming out on encore quietly playing guitar to sing “To Make You Feel My Love” was a surprise and great moment. I think he was 5-7 feet away from me I think. Then he followed with another amazing performance with “Falling Slowly/With Or Without You.” I do really wish I was allowed to recordso I can do the whole concert. Including the pee break he had in the middle of “Is It Over,” LOL. http://goo.gl/fb/RRQDK

        • ross

          There’s a video from Anthology of Paranoid Android and the sound is great. It’s on YouTube. Unfortunately I don’t know how to put it up here.

          • ross

            I meant, it’s ‘official video’ from the club (I think).

          • deez

            Here it is:

            (Ross, just copy/paste the embed code)

        • MissMyEm

          Once we saw him coming…all the videographers put their cameras lower. But honestly…this show in San Diego…probably one of the best if not THE best show from an X Idol performer I’ve been to. Kris is a pro.

          • MissMyEm

            Meant to say…once we saw the guy who was nixing the video cameras coming.

    • snapcracklypop

      It was that one video recording nazi that kept keeping an eye on me after being caught twice. LOL. It made me forget that I had recorded the first song Kris sang at the 7:30pm show, which is the song “Can’t Stay Away.” I was all the way in the back, so I zoomed in the best I can through the dark room and into the lit stage. There might be grain in it, but you do get to see most of the band in this one. Haven’t decided if my partially recorded “Heartless” is worth uploading, you can hear the video nazi talk to me, haha. Anyway, here it is.

      • barado

        I’m a huge fan of that shirt.

        • parsenip

          I hear ya.

      • ross

        No need to apologize, that was a really good video. Thanks!

        I sometimes wonder how Kris can put so much into every song, every time (also, he puts even more intensity and energy into them now than before). I guess he takes his vitamins.

        • snapcracklypop

          Maybe Kris’s shirt should start a Twitter account. haha. Thanks Ross. I’m never disappointed in his shows. This is the first song he sang, so there’s no surprise why he’s all uppity and energetic, mostly pumped with the full knowledge that both shows were sold out just for him that night. I could tell by the way he’s trying to contain his smile, and I know he was looking forward to it too (some of us got to chat with him after the Greek show). Ross, have you gone to any of his shows. Sorry, I still don’t know people here – but recognize the names of regulars. I pop in once in awhile.

          • ross

            Yes, I saw him last December at Mechanics Hall in Worcester, MA. I had 7th row seats, I think. This was the time I happened to be seated next to MJ, and I had a good time seeing the concert with her.

            http://www.mechanicshall.org/tickets/concertdetail/wxlo12072009.html

            Kris and the band played an acoustic set. They sat on stools (except for Ryland), but some of it was really high energy (especially Alright With Me). Plus I got to hear him do The Christmas Song, live. And I talked to Ryland, Andrew and Chris, as well as Kris himself, later.

          • snapcracklypop

            Oh, I would have loved to hear him sing Christmas songs live. I actually have a mp3 of him singing that song live – maybe it’s from your concert. Cool. My first show was acoustic with Kris/Andrew (I think Cale was in Arkansas), but my second one was Kris/Cale. So…are you going to the MixFest?

  • JoCeekiwi

    I used to be a Clay fan back in the day but hell no, even if they gave tickets away I wouldn’t go and see that!

  • snapcracklypop

    I am traumatized by a number of things Clay is doing, and dancing to Bel Biv Devoe’s “Poison” is one of them. *cries*

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      BBD is one of the all-time favorite bands of my youth. It is rather disturbing.

      • ross

        I liked BBD, and also the band ABC.

        • snapcracklypop

          Boys II Men, ABC, BBD…the East Coast family.

          • ross

            ABC was from the UK, though.

          • snapcracklypop

            They were? Are you referring to Another Bad Creation right? That line was from Boys II Men’s “Motown Philly” haha. Their hit song was Aiesha or Ayesha or something.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I got it :)

            Love me some BBD.

          • ross

            Oh, that’s right! Haha. I don’t know why but I was thinking of the new wave band, ABC, totally different! I liked them too, though!

  • kimberly

    Not surprising, I agree with Breyer-Grell’s assessment of Adam Lambert’s vocal talent and where that talent is best served. I, also agree with Top Idol, that she was a bit excessive in her praise of those vocals. I too, like Breyer-Grell, fell for Lambert after listening to many of those youtube music theater performances. That magic has been lost, for me, in his quest for pop fame/success. Is it really all that dire for Adam? Is he doing irreparable damage to his voice like Breyer-Grell mentioned? Adam may very well be a huge success in pop. But if the stars don’t align, I hope there’s still a shot at theater for him. I certainly wouldn’t want to see him touring ala Clay and Ruben (or a permanent fixture in Vegas). Clay’s already stolen from Adam’s wardrobe. A jab at Adam on Clay’s part? First thing I thought when I saw the harem pants.

    Clay Aiken grabbing his crotch is the last thing I want to see, and making it even more so repulsive was the amount of time he hung on to it. So, so wrong.

    Nigel coming back to Idol would be a very good thing. I guess the adage, you don’t know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone, sums up Nigel. Warwick is an ass.

    I hope David Cook’s CD doesn’t disappoint. I like his vocals, but if the songs aren’t there, the vocals are wasted. I’m not a big fan of the Raine Maida collaborations, surprisingly. I’m hoping for an edgier rock vibe. I’ll give him one more chance. lol

    Oh, and I did a quick sweep of the last Idol thread. Not sure what went on, but I did feel a bit vindicated when I read Marissa = Blllou (too many l’s or not enough?) troll.

    Interesting thread, Top Idol.

  • RarelyC

    Mock Clay and Ruben all you want, but after watching this video I AM SO THERE. This is coming from a mom who dragged her kids to Vegas last month to see Donny and Marie! (Look, you little snots, watch them. They have been doing this for more than 40 years. They are freakin’ machines, and you are not worthy. (Okay, we were going to be in Vegas anyway, but you get the drift.)) And I have already bought tickets for the great Celine’s return next spring.

    Clay and Ruben. It’s Americana. Siegfried and Roy aren’t performing anymore. Let’s do it. (I’ll probably regret this, but what the hell.)

    • jukejoint

      That’s what I think. It’s like, American Idol was made for this! Group numbers with pointy poses channeling the Brady Bunch and their “Sunshine Day” number. Silly themes. Idiotic song choices. Grinning Americans!

      So when Clay Aiken starts a frickin’ ARCHIES song, the most bubblegummy stuff ever put on a radio, you at least know they are aware of the kitsch level of what they do and that this is exactly what they bought into when they went on American Idol in the first place. Next they can tour with what’s left of the Monkees.

      At least it makes me laugh with them AND at them, instead of just at them.

      • Burgundy LaRue

        Gotta give Ruben and Clay credit–they seem to be enjoying themselves. Ruben sounded great. I think Ruben is settling into a classic R&B/inspirational type of career. He’s touring and working with David Foster these days. Foster’s not hip by any stretch, but neither is Ruben, and Foster does have the pull to help Ruben put out some adult contemporary material that could sell decently. Ruben isn’t too far gone down the schmaltzy road.

        Clay, on the other hand, is Velveeta personified. The harem pants and crotch grab are just so–well, JUST SO. I don’t knock it, but at this point, Clay is just working with what’s left with his career. His clingy fans ruined him but good and knocked Ruben down a few pegs along the way. That story sounds familiar. ;-)

        • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

          My friend saw Barry Manilow grab his crotch at the encore of one of his Vegas shows. It was at the conclusion of his mashup of Copacabana and Groove Armada’s I See You Baby (Shaking that Ass).

          • Pandora

            Gah! I can’t un-imagine that now! Evil TI!

        • mtlfan

          gee, the crotch grab looked to me like he wanted to pee and had to squeeze it to not let it go. Maybe this is what Kris needed to do in San Diego .. bwahaha ;)

        • DeeDee

          Does this mean we have the Adam/Kris cruise ship performance to look forward to in about 6 years? Will Adam be ripping the pants off of Kris in this scenario? Stay tuned…

          • Lauren

            It wasn’t me this time, TI! :P

            I think this is a very plausible scenario, DeeDee. ;)

          • Pandora

            I was waiting for Lauren to chime in on this one!

      • MissMyEm

        So when Clay Aiken starts a frickin’ ARCHIES song, the most bubblegummy stuff ever put on a radio, you at least know they are aware of the kitsch level of what they do and that this is exactly what they bought into when they went on American Idol in the first place. Next they can tour with what’s left of the Monkees.I think that’s exactly what they want.

        As I said previously, I gave up my residency in Claysville way back at the time he did his Jukebox Tour. But I will say, JJ that you nailed it. Clay has always been into “schtick”. He loves it. And while it gets old and boring after a bit, it doesn’t surprise me that he would do some of the stuff he’s doing and involve Ruben, who has always appeared to be so totally opposite.

        I didn’t watch all the videos…just the 60s and the crotch grabbing (which I could definitely live without), but these songs are better than the crap he’s been putting out with his last two CDs.

        So if I were to go, which I’m not unless as I also said the tickets sold really cheap…it would be for the pure entertainment of it.

        There’s no way in hell I could ever take Clay seriously again. Ever. It’s kind of like Teh Bachelorette. You watch it for the hilarity, not because you actually believe they will live happily ever after.

        • Burgundy LaRue

          Yes, it’s worth noting that Ruben doesn’t ham it up nearly as much as Clay. Ruben is wearing a simple black suit and doesn’t get involved in the crotch-grabbing. He seems to be going with the flow, but not really part of the whole thing. Clay is going for broke with the cheesiness. It really is like a variety show–wouldn’t be surprised if Clay doesn’t try to get an one-ff special on Bravo or an appearance of My Life on the D-List out of this from him and Ruben. Clay does seem to know how to get the most out of his Barry Manilow, Jr. act.

  • deez

    Why is Clay wearing Ruben’s shirt?
    That video was just?????. Did either of them ever finish a song or was it just one big long WTF?

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      THERE ARE NO WORDS. No words.

      Good question, Deez. Why was he wearing one of Ruben’s shirts?

      • cc

        My thoughts ala Glambert: Clay grabbing his crotch and wearing that pants had something to do with Adam (two words: Glamb**ge and Glammer pants ;) ). Plus,they also had some “history” together during the Idol season, right?!

        was it just one big long WTF?

        MTE.

      • FreeDavidCook

        I saw that video and my first thought was why on earth was Claylene wearing a maternity blouse? Is he preggers?

        • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

          I am waiting for the Glamberts to start accusing ABC of homophobia again. Even though they are using the version as sung by their Lord & Savior, it is being lip synced/spoken-worded by a drag queen.

          http://tv.gawker.com/5596889/james-franco-falls-to-his-death-on-general-hospital?skyline=true&s=i

          • saskin

            I am trying to process this. WTF? What is General Hospital? This is the weirdest shit. Why is he laughing like that? Why did he fall? I am speechless. Is it a mock show? What is it? And more importantly what is James Franco doing there? I loved James Franco since Freaks and Geeks? WTF?

          • deez

            Mmmmmmmkay. That was…speshul.

            Freaks and Geeks has been rerunning on IFC! I was heartbroken when it got canceled!

          • Burgundy LaRue

            saskin: Franco and GH star Steve Burton apparently share an agent or something along those lines. Franco wanted to get involved with a daytime drama for ‘artistic purposes’ as a way to do research for a possible movie idea. So Burton helped GH land Franco who plays Franco, an unhinged artist who kills and places the bodies into his work. He’s obsessed with Burton’s character, mob killer Jason Morgan. Franco wanted to team up with Jason where Jason would kill people and Franco would incorporate them into art pieces. It’s a really strange story. I don’t watch GH, but kept up with Franco’s stuff for the curiousity factor.

          • saskin

            Thanks Burgundy. That puts things in perspective. Weird. Weird stuff. Things you learn reading this blog… :)

          • saskin

            IKR deez. It was awesome.

          • jukejoint

            General Hospital is a terrible, terrible show. I was shocked James Franco would want anywhere near it. It’s this macho drivel about mobsters who smack women around (The main one, Sonny Corinthos, shot his pregnant wife through the head at one point. And he’s the hero.) and women who are too whiny or stupid to do anything about it except pop out babies with magic sperm from the Holy Hitman (Jason Morgan, the one Burgundy referred to, is a freaking HIT MAN and still the moral compass of the show) or the Tiny Mobster (Sonny, who seems to have impregnated everyone in town. He kind of looks like Dan Hedaya, who played Carla’s husband on Cheers and Dick Nixon in a movie. Sure, we all want to see the Many Children of Dick Nixon in our day-time serials.) I stopped watching a long time ago when it became clear that criminals like Sonny and Jason were never going to pay for their crimes, but that doesn’t stop me from ranting about the show. Horrid misogynistic crap that it is. Daytime television is circling the drain, anyway. And no wonder!

          • Blue Eyes

            General Hospital was really a good soap at one time, but now it’s just the most stupid soap on TV. With that being said, I did watch James Franco because I was very curious about that. I thought he really did a good job of portraying a psycho and thought it was cool that he doesn’t think above himself to go on a soap.

            Also heard that Brenda is coming back to General Hospital and I loved her character, this was back when I watched it religiously. Who knows maybe the soap will get better with interesting story lines.

          • Mary

            I used to watch General Hospital religiously a couple of years back. Brenda was awesome! And I miss Nicholas. I used to have the biggest crush on him.

            Did anyone ever watch Passions? Now THAT was the most ridiculous and stupid TV show. And I watched every single minute of it :)

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Obviously I watched a bit of Passions. Uh, TIMMY. RIP TIMMY :(

  • oddgirl

    Kris is in the desert filming his music video for The Truth today. He and Lizzie (his assistant/handler) have been tweeting some interesting photos from the set.

    KrisAllen

    #Picture of my first stunt. http://tweetphoto.com/35137138

    #I do my own stunts. http://tweetphoto.com/35124585

    LizBiz8

    #@KrisAllen “that Hansel is so hot right now” http://twitpic.com/290dxo

    #@KrisAllen the truth is it’s HOT out here! http://twitpic.com/28yt4c

    • ross

      The pics have been picked up by a few sites today. This is from the comments on aceshowbiz.com. I think this must be a new Glambert trolling tactic! Pretend to be a fan who’s furious with the label, and try to incite fans to harass Jive. Get in a few misrepresenations about Kris’s career to make him look like a pathetic failure. And for good measure, try to start fanwars with Cook fans.

      I am so angry with Jive right now!! First they had Pat come on and do the song & video when it was so much better on its own and now they are having Kris do concerts at restaruants and bars!! I am fuming! They had him play at a 300 seat restaurant in San Diego. Kris is not dinner theater folks. Now they are giving away his concert tixs at half price in some venues. WTG Jive! This video looks identical to LLWD too! It’s like they are treating Kris like a throw away when he is by far the best and most talented winner ever that came out of American Idol. His voice is like silk. He is way better than that gravely voiced Cook! I sent Jive off a letter last week. I know what I’m talking about I’ve worked behind the scenes in the business at one time. Where’s your anger folks! Show Jive you care!

      • auntieaimee

        They are posing as batshit Kris fans now? This is just so they can say, “See? Kris has crazy, over the top fans, too!” These people have far too much free time on their hands.

        • ross

          “restaruants”. Hm.

      • mtlfan

        sure it looks like a new tactic! who they think they will fool?

      • cc

        His voice is like silk.

        Not enough flowery and detailed descriptions for a “crazy” Kristard. The rest of the post sounds like a concerned troll who really needs a life.

      • deez

        FAIL! That sounds almost exactly like an MJ’s concern post!

        They had him play at a 300 seat restaurant in San Diego. Kris is not dinner theater folks. Now they are giving away his concert tixs at half price in some venues.

        YEP. Hint: Glamberts, don’t repeat your mantra word for word if you want us to believe you.

        by far the best and most talented winner ever that came out of American Idol.

        This “best most talented evvahhh” crap isn’t a Kristardism. (hmmmm…what group regularly employs such hyperbole? hmmmmmm…)

        • ross

          FAIL! That sounds almost exactly like an MJ’s concern post!

          Hint: Glamberts, don’t repeat your mantra word for word if you want us to believe you.

          Exactly what I thought, deez! And, “by far the best most talented” is pure Glambert.

          I think the insidious slam at Cook from a “Kris fan” is my favorite part, though. Divide and conquer.

          • ross

            Oh, and the part about The Truth video looking just like the Live Like We’re Dying video is also concern-troll gold.

      • MissMyEm

        Ross, I’m sure you are 100% right.

      • parsenip

        I think this must be a new Glambert trolling tactic!

        Oh goodie. A lovely new strategy from the Overinvested Demented Glambert bag of concern trolling tricks. Even the Claymates never did shit like this. The consolation, I guess, is if Kris weren’t so talented they wouldn’t have to bother.

        • barado

          In a twisted way, it is flattering that the BSC Glamberts consider Kris such a threat.

          • dixiegal88

            Wow, that’s a new low even for BSCGlams. Don’t they know Kris fans are too lazy to post on articles? That’s pretty much a dead giveaway. I don’t follow MJ’s too closely and long ago quit TwoP because of the “modding” but how many actual crazies would someone guess there are in glamworld….the ones that are seriously in need of some intervention. The ones that go to the trouble to pretend to be Kris fans or the ones that follow every damn article about Kris and post horrible comments….. 20? 10? or the same 5 and their sock puppets?

          • muzikizmi

            In a twisted way, it is flattering that the BSC Glamberts consider Kris such a threat.

            I know, right? From the beginning, they have behaved as if the only possible way for Adam to be successful, is if Kris fails. It is idiocy at it’s finest.

        • jukejoint

          I think they call it a Glambag.

          • jukejoint

            The Demented Glambert bag of concern trolling tricks, I mean. Just Glambag for short. Of course, the less attractive ones among them might also be called Glambags, so there is the trade-off.

          • ross

            From the beginning, they have behaved as if the only possible way for Adam to be successful, is if Kris fails. It is idiocy at it’s finest.

            It’s bizarre too how they’ve convinced themselves Kris is “not worthy” of success or praise, as if there’s a cosmic scorecard and only certain people are “worthy.” It’s got nothing to do with reality.

          • barado

            I was thinking more like at least some of them DO recognize Kris’ talent and how good he is at live performances, they just don’t want the word to get out. Somehow they’ve convinced themselves this is a threat to their idol, or their self-esteem, or they just have this nagging feeling that they’ve wasted the last 14 months of their lives. (I vote for the latter.)

          • Pandora

            Somehow they’ve convinced themselves this is a threat to their idol, or their self-esteem, or they just have this nagging feeling that they’ve wasted the last 14 months of their lives.

            Remember, a threat to their idol is a threat to them personally, because … wait for it … they have no boundaries.

  • CayKat

    I can’t even find the words to express how disturbing that Clay/ Rueben fast track to cruise ship entertainment was. There are just NO WORDS.

    Now, on to the wonderful, fantastic… you think I am gonna gush about Kris now, don’t you?

    JOSHUA JACKSON! – I will gush without shame! Love him and I nearly died laughing when I saw that stuff from Comic-Con over the weekend. Pacey in full Pacey attire – made my day.

    And, of course, Kris was awesome :-) heh!

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      …fast track to cruise ship entertainment

      CayKat, you summed that up PERFECTLY. And if anyone knows cruise ships, its our girl in Grand Cayman :)

    • nerdgirl

      Well, both Clay and Ruben have good voices, but voice should be used for good, not for crap. Also, the band sounds awful, doesn’t it?

      And thank you Kris Allen for using your voice for good.

  • ross

    Wow, even if Kerry Kolsch was not determined to destroy Kris Allen career, I think I would hate her for boring me to death with these Adam appreciation posts.

    • ross

      Kris Allen’s career. BTW, That Falling Slowly was (forgive tarding) sublime.

      • magnacarta

        not enough adjectives to win the KK award.

        • JaneRochester

          or typos.

          • ross

            Maybe she got spell-check?

      • mtlfan

        ITA … really awesome!
        I got 3 words for KK: it ain’t deep!

  • Paulie

    Which other post are you talking about TI? Been out of the loop for the past couple of days (birthday week and hell week rolled into one). oh well, I’m too lazy to dig through it so moving along… ;)

    I love Joshua Jackson. My colleague is close to tears when I showed her the link (she’s a Fringe-tard in the making. Hehe!). We totally should’ve been in San Diego the past weekend — her in Comic-Con/Pacey-Con, and myself in one (or both) of Kris’s shows. Grr.

    • Paulie

      BTW, RE: the Huffington Post article, is this the reason there is an attempt to trend #WeAreTheGlamily on Twitter? I have some peeps RT-ing in on my feed.

      Boo I can’t watch the Cluben vid… yet. Darn office IT policies. :(

      • magnacarta

        #WeAreTheGlamily? Isn’t that a mashup name of We Are the Fallen and Glamily? I didn’t know they liked Carly Smithson that much.

        • nerdgirl

          We Are the Fallen should have Adam as a lead singer. He would look great in a medieval dress and he is much prettier than Carly.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Why are they saying #wearetheglamily anyway? Wouldn’t it make more sense to say:

            #WEAREGLAMILY

          • magnacarta

            They can both sing rejected songs from the Evanescence song book. What’s that new/old song of his named from the Japan/European(?) release? It totally sounded like one of their rejected songs, and everyone started saying how it’s so beautiful and pure, and magical while I seeing flashbacks of teenage emo years

          • jukejoint

            We are glamily
            I got all my glitter on me
            We are glamily
            Get up everybody and pee

            Oh, wait.

            Get up everybody and grind your pelvis into the mic stand.

            I’ll keep working on it. Glamily don’t need no stinking rhymes.

          • deez

            BWAHAHAHA!!!! JUKEJOINT!!! I just came to post this, and you beat me to it! (This is scary)
            LOLOLOLOL!

            We are Glamily
            I got all this glitter on me
            We are Glamily
            Get up ev’rybody and spam

            Ev’ryone can see that we’re BSC
            As we walk on by
            cuz we wear Tophats with some feathers
            and That’s no lie
            all of the people around us they say
            Can we be cray-zay?
            Just let me state for the record
            We’re a few bricks shy of load!

            Stalkin’ Adam’s a joy, so I sold my Toy-
            ota and quit my job, boss don’t understand
            but I don’t really care for the future
            Cuz my goal’s in sight
            gonna sell some more blood to get
            extra copies of the album!
            I think I look cute in platform boots
            and I’m sixty-two!
            This is the Gamily Rule!!

          • Pandora

            Is it wrong that I am picturing the end of The Birdcage right now?

  • Salleyanne

    VD you are right. They are on a shaving strike until the album is done. OMG, why do I know that? I definately need a vacation.

    • Salleyanne

      Reply to VD below. Don’t know why it posted up here.

  • On The Edge

    SHIT, of all the Sundays to skip breakfast… ;)

    • Lauren

      IKR?! It’s ok though, I didn’t want to marry Cook, anyway. I got my sights set on Adam and/ or Kris.

    • jukejoint

      I never eat breakfast. No Cook for me!

  • MissMyEm

    On Nigel Lythgoe returning: If this is what Idol thinks is a quick fix…what.ever. The shenanigans have always been obvious with or without Nigel.

    The same article states that Elton John (who stated that during Season 3, Americans were all bigots) and Justin Timberlake are being considered judges. Let’s review: Bret Michaels, Harry Connick, Jr., Chris Isaac, Justin Timberlake, Elton John. My vote is for Kermit and Miss Piggy.

    Kris singing Falling Slowly in San Diego: Happy to say I saw it live. Both shows brought the house down. Both shows were awesome. Letting my Kristard flag fly.

    • Destry

      Out of all the options above, I’d say that Elton John seems like the only slightly reasonable choice (aside from Kermit of course).

      Maybe I just need to get it out of my head that old british dudes are the only humans in the world to be taken seriously. (Maybe that’s why I always picture Michael Caine as God?)

      Maybe Harry Connick Jr? He was a good mentor but something about him just bugs me. His face does weird things when he talks…

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        If there was a God, I could totally get behind him looking like Michael Caine.

  • magnacarta

    David has tragically grown a pornstache. That is all. I will not marry him now even if I did have breakfast Sunday.

    • http://princessleia04.livejournal.com SarahBeth

      There’s serious angst going down apparently over said pornstache.

      I think its effing hysterical. Both the pornstache and the angst. Seriously people, its hair it grows.

      (I also think he lost a bet)

      • Verbally Dyslexic

        I think he sometimes does it just to mess with people. Also, isn’t the entire band on some kind of shaving strike until after the recording is wrapped? I might have been misinformed here.

        • http://princessleia04.livejournal.com SarahBeth

          I’m not sure. I don’t keep up over on DCO, just what I see on twitter.

          I don’t have the energy to deal with all the BS that goes on over there.

      • On The Edge

        I must have successfully weeded the more batshit Twitterers from my feed; everyone on my end thinks it’s a) funny as shit and b) funnier how many BSCs are angsting. Hell, I think it’s kinda cute. I almost hear him saying “I…DRINK…YOUR…MILKSHAKE!”

        • musicfan

          I find it hysterical, and think it’s either a lost bet or a deliberate reply to all the “Shave now” comments he got on twitter when the picture with the mountain man full beard got out there.

          I didn’t see much real angst on my timeline. Mostly a bunch of folks laughing and teasing. I really didn’t see much angst about the pornstache itself. But I did follow some links back when I saw angst mentioned, and there were a few fans who were having a fit because people were tweeting snarky remarks about the look to David. WTF? They think he’s so sensitive he can’t take a little teasing? From all I’ve ever seen, the guy likes snark, and dishes it out himself. I have a feeling those snarky replies (if he saw them) would make him laugh.

          It’s just weird to me that certain fans think he is perfect no matter what he does, and that he can’t take a negative remark. How the hell did he survive Idol and some of the judges’ comments if he is that sensitive? It’s also obvious to me that some of these people have never spent time around 20 something guys.

      • magnacarta

        Are you serious? LMAO. I hope they are mock-angsting, if not they are sad individuals.

    • sodagrape

      I noticed the bald spot before I ever noticed the pornstache. At this point I think I’m just conditioned to automatically look for bald spots and combovers first.

      But there’s no angst on my twitter feed. I weeded out the crazy a long time ago. What is there to angst about really? It’s hilarious. And I seriously doubt it’s a permanent addition.

    • J

      That’s hysterical. The man has a sense of humor. Could this possibly be his response to the twitter angst last week over a pic of him with a full on shaggy beard?

    • Beanbag

      I had breakfast on Sunday morning! We’re engaged!

      Anywho, I’ve seen a lot of reaction on twitter to the pornstache, but not a lot of real angst (at least on my timeline). Hilarity, yes. Teasing, yes. And one truly annoying fan who is now refusing to take pictures of him at his concert next month if he still looks like this.

      I tend to think he either 1) does things like this on purpose to mess with the fandom (full disclosure – I am a denizen of the fandom. I like Cook alot) OR 2) is just being a guy messing around and really doesn’t think about it much at all.

      I kinda like the losing a bet theory too, though.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        IT’S FACIAL HAIR FOR CHRISSSAKE! FACIAL HAIR! YOU CAN SHAVE IT OFF!!

        Who the hell are these whack jobs? IT’S FACIAL HAIR!

        • JaneRochester

          D’Artagnan! Where the hell have you been all my life?

          • maturin

            I know. I like the muskateer look. It goes well with his shiny little eyes.

  • http://www.mtvnews.com jambajim

    Here’s video from the Clay/Ruben tour, Melinda. http://watercoolerconvo.blogspot.com/2010/07/clay-aiken-ruben-studdard-bring-ai2.html IT NEEDS TO BE SEEN TO BE BELIEVED. Also, you best be coming down to NYC for their August 11th date. Four words: tearaway velcro harem pants.

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      OH MY JESUS CHRIST.

      WHAT AM I WATCHING?

      I will only go to NYC to watch this mess if you go with me. OH MY FRAKING FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. I am in…I’m in…I’m in…I need a few minutes to collect my thoughts.

      • http://princessleia04.livejournal.com SarahBeth

        YOU HAVE TO GO!!!

        IT WILL BE COMEDY GOLD!!

        And going with Jim is a bonus. I just watched it and am facepalming all over the place!

        • Paulie

          I second SarahBeth! :) I know you already took one for the team with the KISS concert, but you already skipped the AI9 tour. This should make up for it. LOL.

          • http://princessleia04.livejournal.com SarahBeth

            I know you already took one for the team with the KISS concert, but you already skipped the AI9 tour. This should make up for it. LOL.

            YES! I agree.

    • Destry

      Wow.

    • auntieaimee

      Whaaaaaa?! That was disturbing but I could not tear myself away.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        It was kind of like The Room in that respect.

      • Destry

        I can’t tear myself away from any man who utilizes his velcro harem skills, for good or evil.

        Ruben is much more limber than I thought, he was like a hopping fairy up there!

    • MissMyEm

      I gave up my residency in Claysville many years ago, but if tickets sold for say $10…maybe even $15…I’d go. Looks like a fun show.

      BTW…there’s a comment from Kerry Kolsch there.

      • Mysterioso

        Holy crap, that Clay video is terrifying. I………uh, I dunno. Somebody hold me.

        • DeeDee

          Well, I can’t hold you. I’m too busy huddling in the corner crying.

        • Destry

          sodagrape might be able to hold you, based on their avatar’s monster’s anyway :)

          • DeeDee

            LOL! What am I talking about? My monster can’t hold anyone with those teeny, teeny arms.

          • sodagrape

            I have plenty of tentacles and antlers to go around. But you have to come to me, as I am apparently rooted to the ground.

          • Destry

            You just seem very approachable… very nurturing, lol

      • JaneRochester

        Ok, it’s confession time. Who’s pretending to be Kerry on that post?

        • magnacarta

          OMG kimberwyn LMAO. I know who she is. I’m happy she’s still in this crazy fandom :D

    • On The Edge

      *Giggle*

      *Snort*

      BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! *sniff, sputer cough* HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      On another note…WOW Ruben looks great…vegetarianism works for him!

      • Lauren

        Ruben is a vegetarian? That video….LOL! I will always have a special place in my heart for little dorky Clay Aiken. I mean, not special enough to buy any of his music or anything, but you get the point.

    • jukejoint

      I actually kind of loved that. I mean, tearaway harem pants, snippets of 60s classics with the worst dance moves this side of the Glam It All to Hell Tour, some bizarre coronation song duel… I found it so very entertaining in that Lawrence Welk Polyester Cheese Whiz in a Can kind of way.

      I would totally pay 10 bucks for that.

      • Lucky

        That was really kinda of sad. Seriously.

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