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Idol Quickies: July 26, 2010

2010 July 26
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by TopIdol

Well, I have to get you people off that other silly post, don’t I?

This has nothing to do with American Idol. I just love Joshua Jackson. PACEY CON!

Nigel Lythgoe might be returning as Idol’s executive producer! Who was that idiot who took his place? Something Warwick? Produced pageants and the ilk? Anyway, say what you will about Lythgoe, who may or may not be a prick (homophobic or otherwise), Idol was kind of more entertaining with him on it. Looks like they’re pulling out all the stops to save the show, sans begging Simon & Paula to come back or voiding the contracts of Kara DioGuardi and (sorry, Ellen!) Ellen DeGeneres. I mean, even though Randy Jackson is as useless as tits on a bull, he’s kind of…nostalgic at this point in Idol’s sad existence.

Speaking of Idol’s sad existence, the Ruben Studdard-Clay Aiken tour (Cluben!) has begun. This should be a warning to any little boy who wants to try out for American Idol. DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOU? Sadly, the video has been removed before I was able to watch it. If someone gets me a copy, I will provide full face-palming commentary.

UPDATED! (Thank you Jim! And H20Convo!) WHY IS THE FIRST THING I SEE…CLAY AIKEN GRABBING HIS CROTCH?

I would still actually see this man if he performed in a bar down the street because I know the show would actually be fun.

Meanwhile, on the current American Idol tour, Michael Lynche, Casey James, and Andrew Garcia continue to stuff sandwiches down their throats late at night. This time, Lee DeWyze makes a guest appearance. And what were the sandwiches they so enjoyed on July 24th? CHIK-FIL-A.

The Huffington Post’s Melody Breyer-Grell wrote that Adam Lambert is having an identity crisis, even though 85% of the article humped his leg effusively. (Breyer-Grell is mostly spot on in her assessment of Lambert’s career, and she is clearly someone who truly admires his talent. The article was HONEST.) Naturally, 85% is not good enough for the most ardent of Lambert fans. Uh oh…Did somebody say CHIK-FIL-A?

I find the need to mention Adam’s sexuality in an article about his talent offensive. I have done my Adam Lambert research, in fact I have written a book and many articles about Mr. Lambert. Adam does not suffer from an identity crisis. What you are looking for is simplicity in a complex person. Adam may be the boy next door in an interview, but he is the sexually provocative, thrusting, grinding, and testosterone laden Alpha male on stage. He is multifaceted and is always true to himself. There is absolutely nothing about Adam Lambert that is not genuine. The fans at his sold out tour venues will not agree with your assessment of his authenticity. Lambert is a man driven by his desire to make an artistic statement. Adam’s artistry encompasses his style, staging, and his ability to enrich every lyric with emotion. He is arguably the most gifted vocalist of his generation and a capable dancer. Why should any great artist limit their means of expressing themselves other than by the boundaries of their capability? Adam should sing whatever he wants to sing and I will go to his concerts and buy his album.

Kris Allen was in San Diego. He sang some songs during two sold-out shows at Anthology. Here is a video of Falling Slowly so you people get off the previous Idol Quickies thread. (Courtesy of SnapCracklyPop)

David Cook had breakfast with his father and brother yesterday. If you too, had breakfast on Sunday, you are likely destined to marry David Cook.

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  • alicat10025

    I love that this place has become a refuge from the crazies at MJs. I miss the pre-Adam MJ’s so much. And welcome to all of the delurkers – I completely understand where you’re all coming from and I won’t even use the same screen name here that I use there. :)

  • pixiepie08

    Shenanigan you said it so well, I have often thought just the very same thing! Would Adam have gotten the cover to RS if he did not have to announce that he was gay? I think not!

    I must confess that Cook was may fav until Kris came along, but I’m so looking forward to Cook’s new music.

  • Shenanigan

    I don’t think I am probably posting this in the right spot, at all, since I am very new to this site. Just wanted to say how much I am thrilled to be here and see some familiar names. It is almost intolerable to go to MJs now and endure all the lies and hyperbole about AL, and the subtle slamming of every other Idol. The concern trolling about my favorite, David Cook, is nauseating.

    Also, for Destry, the Adam fan who left because people didn’t like him, Adam has received more advantages than anyone would ever have thought possible. People just plain lie about him all the time, how he is this huge international rockstar, how wild and uninhibited his concerts are, how overwhelmingly talented he is. My favorite way outsold him, out toured him, and is just working away quietly on his second album. Meantime, Adam gets every possible promotional opportunity.

    I saw AL’s second concert at Costa Mesa, and according to his fans it was supposed to be one of his best. It was interesting and very expensively produced and he sang well. It was a lot like a nice Las Vegas revue or a slick stage production at a fair (which it was!). But in no way was it this spectacular, fierce, exhilirating experience. His fans were sweet, well behaved, much older than I am used to, and they seemed to enjoy the performance in a mild mannered way. It is so strange then to see people on the internet go on and on OTT when the concert was nothing like that, at all.

    I’ve got to say, there was not nearly the true rock feel that I expected. It just didn’t happen.
    So, it is irritating to think that I may not get to see more interesting entertainment by my favorite because all the opportunities are being funneled to this guy. And he is not even what they say he is!

    And also, the whole gay victimhood is ludicrous. I was in theatre and dance for years and being gay was the norm, not the exception. And no, I do not appreciate him playing on anti-American sentiment by saying to the press in other countries that he has not done better because he is gay and we are prejudiced.

    There are bigots out there, against every kind of thing, but to a great extent Adam has received nothing but advantages. If he were not gay and were exactly the same person, would he have the same opportunities? I sort of don’t think so because some people like to pat themselves on the back for their tolerance and open minded attitude when the fact they are making such an issue of it is a form of prejudice.

    Despite his very sweet, goodboy attitude in many interviews and on stage, I suspect he is a player. I don’t get that he really likes his little lady fans of a certain age. There is something there, an all-about-me attitude, that I find off-putting.

    But then, I am a Cook fan so it may be expected since he is so much about altruism, empathy, authenticity.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me rant. It is such a relief since there is really no place to go these days where one can express themselves without being moderated if they are critical of Adam.
    MJ’s seems to have the rule it is fine to criticize any artist, except Adam. I loved how they were going on about the Cooktards attacking any girl who looks at Cook, when hopefully that was long ago, and there was no evidence of it now that I know of. I hope those BSC fans have fallen away. But at MJ’s it is still fine to speculate and ridicule, as long as it is not Adam.

    So, thanks for the place to breathe.

    • Burgundy LaRue

      Hello, Shenanigan, and welcome to TI! Your fellow outside-brain monster hopes that you enjoy the blog. :-)

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere

      Welcome Shenanigan.

      David Cook is a musician, a song writer and was one of the best ARTISTS to come off of Idol.

      I agree that 19E and TPTB have been pushing Adam over others, many who in my opinion are actual musicians. Cook is about his music, not about being famous.

      • alicat10025

        100% agree with you and I think both Kris Allen and Chris Daughtry are both the same – all 3 are artists who can sing, play an instrument (or instruments) and can write a great song. I also think these 3 guys are all about their music and not interested in being fame-whores.

    • Llamakhan

      Shenanigan, I agree with everything you said. David Cook is my favorite to come off Idol and he seems very real to me while Adam seems fake. However, I know that not every person will like him and they have every right to criticise him. That is something that Adam fans need to learn. Fans of Adam, like Lauren(I love you Lauren!) are sane and realistic. If more were like her, I would probably like Adam.

    • Salleyanne

      Welcome Shenanigan. I totally agree with everything you said. That’s why I hang out here also. Cook is also my favorite from Idol (he’s from the same part of the country I am) and seems to be genuine.

      I have been moderated soooooo many times at MJ’s that basically I go there for the headlines only. If I read the comments or the “concern” trolls, I usually end up here to get my head screwed back on straight. (note to self: avoid MJ’s when Cook’s album is released).

      • margie

        We are like the Land of the Lost island of Cook and Kris fans lol :)

        Welcome Shenanigan!!

    • Beanbag

      Hi Shenanigan! Another newbie and David Cook fan here. I’m another one who is a refugee from MJs. Was to the point where I was being modded/deleted constantly and gave up about a year ago when I was told by her that I should go back to my fan board. Except I didn’t have a fan board to go to. Only go there sparingly now and try to avoid comments sections altogether.

      This is a nice place where you can be a fan of someone, but it never gets too gushy, which can be equally uncomfortable. And count me in as another one who wouldn’t touch MJs with a ten foot pole when Cook’s album comes out – yikes.

      • margie

        Do we need floaties? :)

        I love new peeps! Welcome Beanbag!!

    • J

      Welcome from another Cook fan. The concern trolls at MJs just make me laugh. David is doing fine with his platinum album and two platinum singles. He’s working with a great producer and his own band for his second album. I’m expecting good things from him in the future. I plan on avoiding MJs like the plague when the second album drops.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Welcome Shenanigan! Have fun. :)

        • caspar

          Thank YOU, TI. I think it’s clear that you’re providing a much-needed service! And Shenanigans, I’m also a Cook fan who will be here instead of at MJs when Cook’s next single and album drop. Also, I liked your description of the Lambert show you attended – the old ladies ‘enjoyed it in mild-mannered way’, heh.

    • marissa

      From the songs I’ve heard, David Cook and Daughtry are Nickelback 2.0, and Nickelback barely qualifies as music. Kris is better, though mediocre.

      I like Adam’s personality. He seems sweet, genuine, totally passionate about music, smart, all that good stuff.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Regardless of my meh feelings towards Nickelback, Daughtry, and David Cook’s debut album…I see you returned to spout all the same stuff you always say. Marissa, perhaps I would appreciate your devotion to all things Adam Lambert if you were a bit more original in your delivery.

        • marissa

          I wasn’t trying to say something that had never been said before, I was saying what I thought? It wasn’t passive-aggressive, it was just an opinion. People were saying that they liked Daughtry, Kris, and David Cook, and didn’t like Adam. I don’t like the first three musically, and I do like Adam’s music.

          By the way, I glanced through the post and saw Destry’s post, which I thought was interesting. As much as I thought there were sometimes elements of hypocrisy in people getting upset at my saying I didn’t like Kris’s music when the most common topic of conversation here is how awful Adam is, I could also sort of understand it. I was never really a part of the blog, just a random commenter who came occasionally and was generally negative towards the site. So, I could sort of understand why people wouldn’t react well to that.

          But Destry was a regular and well-liked poster, as far as I could tell. And she left because she felt like the site had become too much about hating Adam. As an outsider, that’s what it seemed like to me. Doesn’t it tell you anything that even someone who was truly a part of the site felt the same way?

      • Salleyanne

        So if Cook and Daughtry are “mediocre” why have they outsold Lambert? I don’t get the Nickleback comparison either. Those guys can sell records. Oh right, the “rawk god” is conquering the world. Right (sarcastically).

        • et

          They have only outsold Adam because Adam has “obstacles” :)

          And I’ve always found the Daughtry/Cook = Nickelback comparison lazy.

          • barado

            Is “to have obstacles” now a euphemism for being gay? or is it merely a planet fiercism? I want to know if I should start using this phrase.

          • alicat10025

            The Cook/Daughtry=Nickleback comparison is as lazy as the Kris=Jason Mraz comparison. There are similar elements, but they are not identical.

            What’s the Cousin Phil comparison that they’re using?

          • muzikizmi

            One of the good concert reviews Kris got in So. Cal, said that he was cut from the Nickel/Script/Republic pattern. I think the Script/One Republic comparison is valid. I am not sure about the Nickelback link, though. I will leave that one for Cook and Daughtry to work out between the two of them. I don’t get the Jason Mraz comparison to Kris at all.

          • et

            Is “to have obstacles” now a euphemism for being gay? or is it merely a planet fiercism?

            It appears to be a euphemism for “Cook only has sold more than Adam because Cook’s not gay” — which, applied via Kolschian Logic, can also be applied to any other straight Idol who outsells Adam. I am laughing too that the Hive has now spread their sights to include Daughtry and Cook. I guess I’ve come a long way that I’m laughing now instead of getting mad. And hey, I get to go see Cook this weekend and see I’m sure some of those ol’ familiar faces that were at every.single.show. Hopefully there will be some new ones, too. And some familiar ones of people I like ’cause even though I kid, I have met some cool people at my shows I went to last go ’round. (Yes, shows. Five. I don’t quite need an intervention ’cause I didn’t wear puffy paint nor did I fling panties. Hee.)

          • et

            But yes, “obstacles” does have to do with Adam being gay, because “obstacles” are specifically “roadblocks thrown up because Adam is gay.”

          • marissa

            I think Adam has some obstacles to overcome from being openly gay. That sort of stands to reason. But a lot of people have obstacles, and in other ways it’s probably been an advantage. Hey, radio seems to like If I Had You, so clearly they’re not completely opposed to any gay-ish songs from a gay guy.

            Also, ppl: not everyone who likes Adam and doesn’t like most of the other Idol music they’ve heard is from Planet Fierce or other fan sites. I have heard about that place, checked it out, didn’t like it. Bad layout and not a fun discussion, from what it looked like.

            Again, looking at what Destry wrote, don’t some of you guys think she might be right, even a little bit? I get that I’m an outsider who mainly came here to criticize, so I understand not being receptive to my comments, but she was a regular and she still felt like the place was becoming too much about hating Adam. Doesn’t that tell you something?

        • marissa

          That’s not what I was talking about, but just as an aside, sales aren’t always the primary indicator of quality? I really like Adam’s music, for example, and he’s sold a lot more than a lot of bands and singers I also like, but that doesn’t make him automatically better than they are.

          And I don’t consider Adam a “rawk god” whatever that means. He’s a pop singer with some rock influences.

          Taking over the world? Not yet, lol, but that would be fun.

      • Llamakhan

        So basically every male Idol sounds the same except Adam who is God with a sweet boy next door personality. Got it. Thanks Marissa, I now feel truely informed.

      • jukejoint

        I didn’t realize that Cook and Daughtry had formed a band together. Oh. Marissa means they are both somehow magically Nickelback 2.0. Shouldn’t Cook at least be 3.0? Could we maybe go with Beta and Gamma or something? Or maybe just lose the Planet Fierce talking points entirely? We can all recite them like Gregorian chants by now. Kris Allen is boring. David Cook is Nickelback 2.0. Daughtry is Nickelback 2.0. (Which I still say, they can’t BOTH be the same version, especially when they don’t actually sound all that much like each other, so come on, PF, break out a 3 for one or the other.)

        I have a new talking point. Actually, it’s not new, but I like it. Sweet, nice boy with a round face and dyed black hair and a very high voice, sparkly clothes, perfect for Vegas and beloved by old ladies who scream for him and swear that his high voice and tight trousers are the sexiest things ever? Sounds like Wayne Newton v. 2.0.

        At least I supported my theory. Look at all those similarities.

        • Salleyanne

          I have a new talking point. Actually, it’s not new, but I like it. Sweet, nice boy with a round face and dyed black hair and a very high voice, sparkly clothes, perfect for Vegas and beloved by old ladies who scream for him and swear that his high voice and tight trousers are the sexiest things ever? Sounds like Wayne Newton v. 2.0.

          OMG jukejoint, that’s perfection (and sooooooo true).

        • JaneRochester

          I luuuuuuuuuuv Wayne Newton.

          I don’t listen to commercial radio, but my next door neighbor luuuuuuuvs Nickelback, so I’ve gotten to hear a lot of their stuff this summer while we sit out on the patio drin–I mean, discussing life, the universe, and everything. So I feel qualified to discuss Nickelback despite being out of touch with current music.

          I kinda sorta can see a reason why they might say Daughtry sounds like them. Sorta. But Cook? I don’t get it. And I’ve listened for it (before the tequila haze got too hazy). Nothin’.

          Also do not see the reason for putting Kris beside Mraz, unless the rules of the entertainment universe say you have to compare them to someone. I don’t know of anyone who sounds like Kris.

          et, I had no idea you were such a Cook fan. You’ll come back and tell us all about the show this weekend, right? Especially any hints he drops about the new album?

          alicat, among his fans, one of the names I often hear mentioned as a soundalike for Cousin Phil is Dave Matthews. For me, more than once I’ve been in a store and a song comes on, and I hear the first few notes and think, “Is that Lee?” and it turns out to be John Mayer.

          • JaneRochester

            PS Any band that puts out a song like “Rockstar,” can’t be all bad.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Cousin Phil can sniff all the cans of paint in a paint factory and still won’t sound 1/10 as good as Dave Matthews.

            Wait, I think I might’ve insulted Dave as well. Just to clarify, I love Dave Matthews (sorry TI), especially the Big Whiskey album.

          • et

            et, I had no idea you were such a Cook fan. You’ll come back and tell us all about the show this weekend, right? Especially any hints he drops about the new album?

            Heh, I’m hopeless. But I like the believe I’m sane. If I’m not sane, don’t tell me, ok? I’ll certainly check back in when I get back and give an update. I think I’m going Saturday night, still deciding (he has a show Sunday too). I’m excited, it’s been a while :) Going to meet my friend down there and intend to have quite a grand time. I have two little kids, I don’t get out much… they are going to stay with their cousins for five days, I’m going to a Cook show and having some fun, life is goooood! (Husband has finally accepted that Idon’t fling panties so he doesn’t give me a suspicious look, merely a raised eyebrow and stifled laugh)

          • petunia

            I hope this ends up in the right place. I’m going to out myself as a hopefully sane Cook fan, and admit that I’m going to BG this weekend with a bunch of friends. We’re making a fun weekend of it: plan is to ride all the rollercoasters, eat and drink good things, hang out with friends, oh, and listen to some really good music. :) Other exciting things planned include stopping at the outlet malls on the way back Monday…

            et, I hope you decide to stay for both shows – I’m counting one of these as our canceled Norfolk show from last year, so it really isn’t crazy to stay for them both… right?? we’ll have to see if we can come up with a secret password or something to find each other. One smart thing we did was to splurge on the VIP tickets for Sunday, which sounds exciting… except that we’re at the back of the crowd, but we have SEATS! and SHADE! (hey, it’s Virginia in August. This is exciting news!)

      • muzikizmi

        I like Adam’s personality. He seems sweet, genuine, totally passionate about music, smart, all that good stuff.

        I like _____ (Kris, Chris, and/or David)’s personality. He seems sweet, genuine, totally passionate about music, smart, all that good stuff.

        I love how the Glamberts have now widened their aim, and hope to take out any male idol who might threaten their rock gawd. I think the Cooktards and Daughtards will squish them like slugs on the sidewalk.

        • On The Edge

          I’m just waiting for them to go balls-to-the-wall and try to overtake Kelly and Carrie. THIS should get really good. Anyone else like butter on their popcorn?

        • marissa

          I’m not familiar with David Cook or Chris Daughtry’s personalities, but sure, what I said probably applies to Kris too from what I’ve seen. He seems really nice overall. I wasn’t saying Adam was the only one of those guys who had those qualities, just saying in response to the fame whore comments that I like his personality and here’s why. Kris has those good qualities too.

          I don’t go to Planet Fierce. I saw it mentioned elsewhere and checked it out once but the layout alone gave me a headache and idk, looking at the discussion it just wasn’t fun.

          Um, I’m not interested in “taking out the male idols”? That sounds very Idol-bubble. They’re not even in the same market as far as I know, and I don’t even know how someone who wanted to would go about doing that, lol.

  • Burgundy LaRue

    Just for the record, I’m a conspiracy theorist. Grassy knoll, lost books of the Bible, all that good stuff. If I ever wind up going crackers, it’s because my suspectible pea brain overloaded on one tall tale too many. That and horror movies.

    So with that–A&M/Octone is an UMG label. Maroon 5 is on A&M/Octone. Kris is doing dates with Maroon 5. Rumors are somewhat circulating that the other members of Maroon 5 may go on hiatus soon. Nothing concrete about the rumors, obviously, but there are rumblings.

    Maroon 5 is clearly the biggest act on A&M/Octone right now. If they separate for a while, the label may want to fill their place with a similiar R&B influenced pop/rock band. Maroon 5 has worked with Ryland Steen–who’s in Kris’ band.

    The six degrees of separation are there. May mean nothing. Probably doesn’t. This is just me speculating. But it’s an interesting angle.

    • JaneRochester

      [my best Arte Johnson impersonation] Veddy interesting.

  • MissMyEm

    Well Fuller talks about Kris here. At least Fuller said something about boosting Kris’s sales

    Thanks Margie for bringing this over. I didn’t know whether to be annoyed at SONY for omitting Kris’ (and Allison’s) name from their release or to be dancing with joy that Kris might be free of the Idol machine. And while I’m not overly fond of Simon Fuller, I’m still glad to know that Kris won’t be left to fend for himself.

    This is the first time I cared about what The Post had to say.

    Jason Castro also has a music deal with Universal Publishing…or at least that’s what I heard when he first signed with Atlantic Records.

    • sj

      I thought the Universal contract for songwriting was standard operating procedure for Idol winners. I’m thinking it doesn’t have anything to do with the current course of events, but I could be wrong since I really don’t know anything ;) .

      As far as Randy is concerned, sometimes I like him on the show, but he turned me off in his press rounds pre-S9. He was talking all kinds of bullshit. Exasperating. I’m on the fence about his leaving.

    • Michelle

      Well, but if Kris sticks with Simon Fuller/19, that is still the Idol “machine”…kind of odd how attitudes have turned since iirc when Live Like We’re Dying was doing well the common wisdom was that Sony/Jive was doing better by Kris than 19 was.

      IMO it will be pretty disruptive to Kris’s career to shift him from label to label, and while it seems Jive has failed to bring in stellar album numbers for Kris at least they’ve gotten him airplay and thus kept him on the public’s radar (seems like a pattern they started w/Jordin and Archie.) Not to say there couldn’t be more effort put forth on Kris’s behalf (sheesh, I could go on for hours on THAT) but 19 as the management arm should be shouldering a lot of the blame there…considering their allocation of resources since S8 ended.

      Unless there is some extra “push” for Kris given by Fuller…which I am doubtful of since he seemed to be part of the camp pushing for Adam to be given the focus over the past year…I fear Kris may become more of a backburner project over at Universal.

      Regarding music publishing deals, David C. signed one with Cherry Lane, which looking at their website seems to be affiliated with BMG (another Sony arm) somehow.

      As for Randy, I’m trying to figure out how he became the least offensive member of the panel during S9 :/ I’d say leave him on for continuity’s sake, and since he does seem to have an eye for talent in the early rounds…but also cause judging from the people they’ve rustled up as new judges so far I don’t think they can really come up with anyone that great to replace him anyway.

      • sj

        Kris has said he’s happy with his situation and I believe him. It hasn’t been a year since his album was released. Slow and steady, slow and steady…that seems to be his M.O. And successful. When you think about it, Kris is doing great compared to his situation of two years ago.

        I really don’t care about what happens on AI re the judges. The judges have annoyed me, no matter who they are. At the end, I couldn’t stand Simon. Glad to see him gone. And Paula made me crazy her last season, so I really don’t care if she doesn’t come back. Kara’s got some good points to make but she’s just so icky, that I would be happy if she doesn’t return. As for the other names flying around, I don’t care. AI has succeeded in making me not care. I’ll tune it with popcorn just to see what’s up, but I’ve shut down as far as loving the show. C’est tragique! (Not really.)

        • JaneRochester

          “Slow and steady.” It’s always seemed to me that that’s exactly how he won Idol in the first place.

      • MissMyEm

        Well, but if Kris sticks with Simon Fuller/19, that is still the Idol “machine”…kind of odd how attitudes have turned since iirc when Live Like We’re Dying was doing well the common wisdom was that Sony/Jive was doing better by Kris than 19 was.

        Yes true. That’s why I don’t know how to feel. In one respect as I said I’m happy to be knowing that Kris may not be in limbo, but OTOH, if he were to completely leave the Idol Machine, I’d be dancing. Just didn’t state what I wanted to the first time correctly.

        but 19 as the management arm should be shouldering a lot of the blame there…considering their allocation of resources since S8 ended.

        While I agree with this statement in it’s entirety, I’d also like to say that there is a possibility that we don’t know the inside story and perhaps one of the reasons there was conflict between Fuller and the rest of them.

        I don’t know what to think. I said to someone once…”don’t let Kris get away”. I hope if they’re doing it, they eat their shorts.

      • ross

        Well, but if Kris sticks with Simon Fuller/19, that is still the Idol “machine”…kind of odd how attitudes have turned since iirc when Live Like We’re Dying was doing well the common wisdom was that Sony/Jive was doing better by Kris than 19 was.

        Live Like We’re Dying is still doing well.

        • Michelle

          ITA, but I kind of wish some of that success would start shifting over to the new single ;)

          • alicat10025

            The new song was a poor choice as a follow up for Live Like We’re Dying because it’s so slow and Live Like We’re Dying is much more upbeat with a great hook. It will be interesting to see what happens if/when the video for The Truth comes out

    • snapcracklypop

      I’ve had this convo yesterday with AINow. Reading this blog entry on Sony Music’s press release not mentioning Kris/Allison (http://bit.ly/bsw6Wk) to the NY Post article about Sony/Universal mentioning Kris as an example on ideas boosting sales (http://bit.ly/bS9weX). Then AINow tweeted: “Despite new deal, Sony will continue to work with Idol finalists already signed” (http://bit.ly/affxHy). Confusing. It’s like, is Kris with Sony or not? AINow decided to check with 19, and then they verified that Universal is for Season 10 only and as far he knows Kris/Allison is still with Jive (a division of Sony).

      So the conclusion looks like, Sony Music PR just chose not to mention Kris/Allison’s names, and the NY Post article on Sony Music expiring last May does not affect artists that are already signed/contract with them.

      By the way, that press release a few months ago about Kris having a agreement/deal with Universal Music Publishing (royalties for the songs he writes) – Kris has said that was done long time ago (after Idol I think), and didn’t know why all of sudden fans/people were congratulating him on it now (seemed unaware of the late but random announcement). The timing is weird, and that made it seem like it had just happened. If I remember this correctly, Kris said UMP has done this Chris Daughtry and David Cook to before. That makes sense, because they also write their own songs as Kris does.

      • ross

        Thanks for the info, snapcracklypop. Appreciate it.

        I don’t think most people thought the deal with Universal would cover artists other than those from season 10. I was just speculating, based on the Post article, that Fuller feels Kris could sell better (albums, I assume), with a different label – I liked this because it seemed to suggest he feels Kris is marketable but the label may not have done everything it could or been creative enough in marketing him.

        Anyhow, the article doesn’t say much of anything, but putting it together with the press release that seemed to leave Kris out of Sony’s future plans, it led to speculation about Kris and Universal. Not necessarily because of the Season 10 announcement (and not necessarily because Kris has a publishing deal with Universal), but because the article suggested Fuller may have been scouting around for a label that could push Kris’s sales better. And since he seems to like Universal, that was why Universal was brought into it.

        At least that’s how I read it.

        • Burgundy LaRue

          Fuller feels Kris could sell better (albums, I assume), with a different label – I liked this because it seemed to suggest he feels Kris is marketable but the label may not have done everything it could or been creative enough in marketing him.

          That’s what gets me. Why would Fuller just wax poetic about this? Who knows, maybe he was just rambling. But Fuller seems to be suggesting that Kris would be better off with a label that knows how to utilize his best assets. Had Fuller said nothing, I don’t think anyone would be guessing so much. Even with the omission on the press release, that could be chalked up to a silly intern’s mistake in typing. But the omission, Fuller’s comments–I don’t know. Seems strange, but could easily be nothing.

          • muzikizmi

            It is strange. Adam was going nowhere fast, until Simon Fuller’s TV show gave him a two day pimping. They could have done the same for Kris.

            Maybe Fuller was ‘poisoning the well’, so that no other label would sign Kris, if he parts ways with Jive. If he was whining about trying everything, everything, I tell ya, and nothing works! Hopefully, the other labels aren’t that blind.

          • ross

            I don’t even think the article actually says Simon Fuller mentioned Kris. It’s worded very vaguely.

          • jukejoint

            Agreed, Ross. I think somebody at the NY Post wrote an article summarizing what they thought they were told Simon Fuller was doing. But there is no actual quote there, so what Simon Fuller may or may not think of Kris Allen or Kris Allen’s future is in no way included in or affected by that article.

          • margie

            I think the article was just a summary of what is going on with the label change. I hope Fuller has ideas for Kris but I am not holding my breath.

          • MissMyEm

            that could be chalked up to a silly intern’s mistake in typing

            Just for the record, I think Roger Widynowski, who is not the VP of Promotion at E19 has a hand in the write up and if not, I think he probably reads them before they go out. I could be wrong, but this is what I think.

  • saskin

    If we’re done fussing about Sony not mentioning a certain winner’s name in their bitter press release; I still think Randy won’t be back. EW; Could Nigel Lythgoe pull double duty as a judge. I bet TI can find out what the word on the street is.

    • Lauren

      Thank you, Saskin! *hugs*

      Anyway, that’s interesting. I thought they were keeping Randy as the token “original judge.” I actually don’t care whether they replace him or not. I was sad to see Paula and Simon go and I was happy to see Kara go, but Randy’s relatively inoffensive.

      • saskin

        I don’t know, if I were them I would not keep Randy, not because he is annoying but because he’ll remind people of the “old” Idol. No need. Start over. This is their death season anyways.

        • Blue Eyes

          Well, they might as well clean off the whole slate of judges, but I don’t really care if Randy stays or goes.

          If they were smart, they would try to bring Paula back.

          • MissMyEm

            I’m with you Blue Eyes. I don’t care enough about
            what happens to Randy. If he stays he’ll be annoying and if
            he goes someone else will be annoying.

            It’s all the same to me. I’ll watch the show because I
            enjoy seeing the talent (or not), but as far as the
            judging panel and the producers…I was never a fan of
            anyone.

        • Burgundy LaRue

          I think they’re trying to go with a new, lean, fighting Idol, one that can go to war with the X-Factor. Randy is a tie to the past. So is Seacrest, but they’re stuck with him for now and I’m guess having Nigel Lythgoe back in the fold may get Seacrest back on track.

          The thing that may save Randy is that he’s only got one year left on his contract. So they may just have him work this season and then be done with him.

    • ross

      If we’re done fussing about Sony not mentioning a certain winner’s name in their bitter press release; I still think Randy won’t be back

      Sorry, I thought we were talking about what interested us. Maybe I’m not interested in talking about Randy.

      • dixiegal88

        I’m kind of not done fussing either and the whole Sony/Universal/19E/19M leaves me confused and wanting more info, so I appreciate Snapcrackly and others bringing over what they know. I still think it’s weird to have left an Idol winner’s name off the list, (deliberate or just an intern’s hastily written press release who was an adam fan) it was and is weird. Unless they send out a correction, my grassy knolly part of the brain thinks its one of those things that make you go hmmmmm. I’m glad several Kris fans are going to see him soon and maybe we’ll get some answers. Right now Crusty twittered he’s watching TMNT movies, so I guess he’s not too weirded out by the recent press release…or on second thought….. maybe he’s dreaming that he’s Michaelangelo battling the evil 19 in the form of Shredder.

        • ross

          I’m glad several Kris fans are going to see him soon and maybe we’ll get some answers.

          Do you mean they’re going to ask him or his band mates about this stuff? I have a hard time with some of this stuff. I don’t even get why people have this crazy need to know when videos are being filmed, or what the next single will be, before everyone else. Why is it anyone’s business? We’ll know when they let us know.

          • muzikizmi

            I agree with you, Ross. Although I may whine and worry here, I definitely wouldn’t try to talk inside career stuff with Kris. It is off limits for fan chat in a meet and greet situation, IMO.

          • dixiegal88

            Oh man, no, as far as fans asking Kris questions. I was only thinking in terms of what Kris decides to disclose or talk about at his shows or meet and greets. Sometimes things come up, like the mystery group that turned out to be Maroon 5 or he’ll drop some info on another show that might be coming up. I’m as curious as the next person but would never cross that line, but that’s my opinion too.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Agreed. Most likely Kris has no idea about these press releases, so what’s the point in asking? I even think the hand-wringing here is becoming excessive, but since it seems like a slow news day, there’s not much else to go on.

        • ross

          Oh, sorry, dixiegal88, I wasn’t saying you would do that! I was talking about the people you mentioned who are going to see Kris. I remember some fan of his writing, one time, that they lectured him on how he should stand up to the record label and assert himself. (Um, what? You don’t even know this guy, what he’s like, or what he does when you’re not around.)

          When I met Cale Mills the other night (<–name-dropping) I was thinking about some of that.
          That’s why it was on my mind, I guess.

      • nerdgirl

        Oh, come on ross, what part of “done fussing” don’t you understand? Start talking about something else immediately! I am counting to 3. 1….. 2…… 2.5 …..

    • muzikizmi

      I think Nigel could easily judge both shows. Kara, pre-axing, stated that Idol took the least amount of time, out of all of her jobs.

  • muzikizmi

    Simon Fuller told Sony to F O and went to Universal, which is headed by his close friend.

    Silly me, but that makes me happy. Kris recently signed a music publishing contract with Universal. That deal had to be negotiated by his manager, Stirling Whatzhzname, who is a Fuller underling. Universal already got Alright With Me used as the new TV season theme song somewhere (?Phillipines?). That is more that Sony did for him in a year.

    Would Fuller’s underling have bothered, if they didn’t have future plans for Kris? They had to have known that they were going with Universal at the time of Kris’ publishing contract.

    Do I owe Simon Fuller an apology? I am confused…. :-?

    • Burgundy LaRue

      I was thinking about that, muzikizmi. It’s interesting. Someone in Kris’ camp must have known about the Universal jump and got him over there, at least for publishing purposes. Stirling McIlwane would have likely known and steered Kris in that direction. Hmmm. It does make one curious, just from the armchair music executive perspective. Wonder how that will play out for future albums?

      Keep in mind, McIlwane also works with Chris Daughtry. Keep your eye out for activity there, too.

      • alicat10025

        Chris Daughtry is on the list of artists on the Universal Music Publishing page. I do think it is connected to McIlwaine.

        • On The Edge

          Could Kris be moving on to Universal? Hell for all we know he only had a one album deal with Jive. Sorry, I saw “666″ comments and had to up the number cause it was freaking me out.

          Totally OT, still watching FX…WOW, can I just say Louis CK’s mother is a fucking bitch?

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      Just read the story at MJ’s and it seems that the Universal deal only affects Season 10 and beyond. She also posted an interview with Crystal about her album development and two things stood out to me: 1) she doesn’t start working on the album until after the Idol tour and 2) she has much fewer artist collaborations (but big names) and will release her pre-Idol stuff. Not to put down her solo works or anything, but I don’t think her stuff will set the world on fire. More importantly, by the looks of things, there seems to be little investment by Sony in Season 9 to produce good new material compared to previous seasons. Anybody know if Cousin Phil is writing stuff at the moment? Other than the Late Night Sandwich videos, I don’t really know much of what’s going on with Season 9.

      • On The Edge

        Deep breaths…I’m not concerned, I’m not concerned:

        Sony Music issued its own statement:

        “After enjoying a successful relationship, Sony Music Entertainment wishes Simon Fuller and 19 Entertainment well in this transitional period for the American Idol franchise. We look forward to continuing our relationships with the many artists on the Sony Music roster who have graduated from the American Idol system, including Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kellie Pickler, Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta among others and we are excited for the upcoming albums later this fall from Season 9’s winner and runner-up Lee DeWyze and Crystal Bowersox.”

        Note “who” is NOT listed…

        …but I don’t care. I’m fine, I don’t care, I don’t care, GODDAMNIT MOTHER FUCKER I DON’T CARE I SWEAR…

        Someone, quick, give me something worth caring about…art in the schools, saving oiled sea turtles, ridding the world of Bieber…

        • et

          *Hears Hive buzzing with glee*

        • nerdgirl

          Not surprising… They were set out on crusade against Kris from the very beginning. I hope that whatever comes out of this will help Kris to move forward from all this fuckery. I am not planning to watch or support either X-factor of AI (unless they apologize to Kris in words or in deeds…). Since I don’t buy or listen to any music except for Kris Allen, whoever has him will have my money. That’s all I have to say about that

          • marissa

            You only listen to one artist? As much as I love my favorite singers, I don’t think I could deal with only listening to one person my whole life.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            I am not planning to watch or support either X-factor of AI ABC (unless they apologize to Kris Adam in words or in deeds…). Since I don’t buy or listen to any music except for Kris Allen Adam Lambert, whoever has him will have my money.

            The resemblance is uncanny…

        • On The Edge

          I think I’m okay now…I started watching “Rescue Me” and I’m in a happy place. A drunken, violent, vulgar happy place.

          • margie

            Well Fuller talks about Kris here. At least Fuller said something about boosting Kris’s sales … lol

            http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/thespread/idol_co_creator_strikes_deal_with_Jk98NfnbR99OcxAA2Is4oJ

          • ross

            So, that’s a prepared statement someone wrote and got approved, and they took care to mention a large number of people — 11. The Season 7 winner and runner up, the Season 9 winner and runner up, but they left Kris off the list? What assholes. I’m so sick of this – I hope he gets out of the whole Idol thing soon and finds his own way.

          • ross

            I’d love him to sign with Universal. They’re pretty great at handling new artists, as far as I’ve seen.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            But I’m sure part of Jennifer Lopez’s contract stipulates a recording contract with Universal. Considering she was dropped from Sony…

          • margie

            Ross I agree. I want Kris as far away from anything 19 related. They are never going to acknowledge him or promote him. He ruined their preplanned orchestrated happy ending when he won.

          • On The Edge

            He ruined their preplanned orchestrated happy ending when he won.

            And you see, that’s the one thing I will never understand. They could have easily fixed the vote so Adam won (I may not believe Kerry Kolsch’s conspiracy theories, but I firmly believe AI/19/Fox is as dirty as college football). So why didn’t they?

          • ross

            Yeah, but – if Kris had come in second, would they have liked him better and included him on that list?

            What has Archie done vs Kris that he deserves to be on that list? “Crush?”

          • Paulie

            ross, Archie had at least a gold album. And I think his Christmas album did pretty well too.

            The cynic me also thinks that he and Cook were included because they have upcoming albums Sony still has to promote somehow.

          • jukejoint

            And you see, that’s the one thing I will never understand. They could have easily fixed the vote so Adam won (I may not believe Kerry Kolsch’s conspiracy theories, but I firmly believe AI/19/Fox is as dirty as college football). So why didn’t they?

            I think they knew they would have to make an album with Kris Allen whether he won or not, he was actually quite a lot ahead (more than they wanted to try to have to mysteriously hide), and they were hoping to get amother Ruben/Clay scenario, where the fanatical fans of #2 were determined to buy like maniacs to avenge their beloved’s loss, more than they would’ve bought if he had won and they didn’t feel cheated or like they had something to prove. (I did buy WhatNotToSing’s theory that Kris had shallow but wide support, while Adam had deep but narrow support, meaning Kris had, like, 85,000 fans willing to vote a hundred times each but buy only one cd, while Adam had, like, 20,000 fans willing to vote a hundred times and buy 20 cds each. Just supplying nonsense numbers to illustrate the point.)

            Anyway, my main point is that they were hoping to get Ruben vs. Clay, Part Deux, Electric Glitteroo. But Kris didn’t have Oprah shilling for him, Adam didn’t have Claymates to support his sales, and neither one had the glow of dewy fresh American Idol, season two, or a decent economy or decent record sales in general to shore them up. So Kris ended up as Ruben divided by ten, and Adam ended up as Clay divided by ten.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            So Kris ended up as Ruben divided by ten,

            How very, very true ;)

          • Pandora

            Ross, it’s not what Archie HAS done, it’s what he DIDN’T do that Kris did.

            Anyone else notice they didn’t mention Gokey or Allison either?

        • Paulie

          Allison and Danny were not mentioned too I see. Dundundun.

          Oh well, whatever happens, I just hope that we can at least get an album #2 from Kris (and Alli too). Besides, given the positive feedback he has gotten from other artists, I’m pretty sure he won’t be busking on subway stations soon. Right? RIGHT?!

          • ross

            Well, if Sony can’t even use nine letters in a press release to mention his name and say they look forward to continuing their relationship with him, I hope he tells them to go to hell.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            THERE WAS ONLY ONE IDOL FROM SEASON 8 I DON’T KNOW WHO THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU

          • mtlfan

            like others, I just send a twit to @SonyMusicGlobal to express my feelings

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            I am not fussed about it. Kris has earned and is still earning respect and support from other successful artists, so I think he can manage without a mention in Sony’s press release. For all we know, maybe secretly Kris has already moved to Universal.

          • ross

            ross, Archie had at least a gold album. And I think his Christmas album did pretty well too.

            Oh, yeah, I forgot. Gold album.

            I just looked up the Christmas album, it sold 211,000. That’s probably good for a Christmas album? I have no idea. These stats are already making my head hurt.

          • nerdgirl

            Oh, man. How Kris ended up with the most pessimistic fans ever, when he himself is very optimistic, positive person.

            It reminds me of a joke:

            Pessimist says, “It cannot get any worst”.

            Optimist says, “Yes, it can! Yes, it can!”

            So, maybe Kris fans are optimistic after all. :)

          • nerdgirl

            … any worse…

          • Llamakhan

            Adam is the only Idol who deserves to be on the list! How dare they list Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry before Adam! Only Adam is a treu worldwide star, he has sold albums in Estonia!

          • Mary

            Sorry but I hope Allison gets dropped. Her first album sucked and her second album, if they give her one, it will be another album filled with teen-girly pop Miley Cyrus- reject songs. She needs to go another label.

          • Mary

            For the record, I love the girl! I just think Jive is a horrible horrible label for her.

          • auntieaimee

            The cynic me also thinks that he and Cook were included because they have upcoming albums Sony still has to promote somehow.

            That’s what I think, too.

            Anyway, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Kris gets dropped. Really. Someone will pick him up. He’ll still make music.

          • auntieaimee

            Argh. Quote fail on my part.

        • Mary

          You know I’m also pissed that they didn’t mention Kris’s name in that statement but its possible that they only mentioned artists from AI who have reached gold or platinum to make this whole Sony/19E look better. They didn’t mention Allison or Danny’s name either because they haven’t reached a gold status yet.

          But still I think they should have at least mentioned Kris considering he won, I just don’t think their out on a crusade against him.

        • Nich

          I feel like I should be annoyed by Kris’s complete non-mention but eh. It is noticable.

          • ross

            The way it’s worded, it strikes me that they may not have included him in the statement for a specific reason. Maybe the reason they fail to say they’re looking forward to continuing their relationship with him is that they won’t be continuing their relationship with him. maybe he’s not on the list because he’s not going to stay with Sony.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            I think that’s possible. If you read the NY Post link margie posted upthread, it does say

            Fuller had been talking to other companies about their ideas for boosting sales of the show’s acts, such as recent winner Kris Allen.

            To me this sentence implies Fuller’s intention to move Kris out from Sony because they haven’t been doing their best for Kris’s career so far.

          • ross

            Yes, that’s how I also interpreted it. And I think Kris could really benefit from a move, if the new label sets out to prove they can do what the old label couldn’t.

            Also, I’ve always thought Fuller believes in Kris.

          • ross

            Or, it could just mean that Sony is dumping him ignominiously.

          • parsenip

            To me this sentence implies Fuller’s intention to move Kris out from Sony because they haven’t been doing their best for Kris’s career so far.

            It does to me too VD. If this is what happens, count me as one very happy Kris fan.

          • Burgundy LaRue

            The way it’s worded, it strikes me that they may not have included him in the statement for a specific reason.

            I’m thinking the same thing. Throw in there that they didn’t mention Allison, who’s talked about joining a band with Orianthi, who is managed by 19 but signed to Geffen–an Universal Music Group label. Stirling McIlwaine also works with Orianthi. Almost makes me think that something’s up.

            The press release didn’t mention Danny either, but I don’t get the impression he fits into this scheme. He’s doing as well as can be expected for a new country guy, so I think Sony Nashville will work with him for now.

            I get the sense that there’s been a tug-of-war over Kris, in that one side (the show) is cold towards him but the other side (Fuller/McIlwaine) seems to like him. So with Fuller going to Universal, he’s going to want to prove that Idol is still a hot commodity. He’s got to hit the ground running. He’ll need the talent to flip Cowell and Sony the finger. While I don’t think Fuller is always so smart, McIlwaine seems to know his stuff. So, playing music label’s advocate, Fuller has a talent stable of Kris, Alli/Ori band, S10 Idol winner and runner-up, and possibly Daughtry. I’d take my chances with those acts, even without knowing S10′s outcome. It’s all speculation, but something’s up. Just have to wait and see.

            And I hate to say, but Lee and Crystal are going to be collateral damage in all this. Especially Crystal. “Record when the tour’s over” = “You’re about to be Taylor Hicks-ed.” I fear they see Crystal as difficult. They’re supposedly allowing her to record a lot of pre-Idol music, which is strange. They rarely approve that sort of thing, and I don’t get the sense it’s because they have that much confidence in Crystal as a radio-friendly act. Who knows, but I’m not hold much hope on Crystal’s end.

            As for Lee, he’ll fare a bit better because the show wanted him to win, so I think RCA/19/Sony will do OK by him. But he’s in a bad spot, too. If he can get a song to hit on the radio, then he’s got something of a chance. But he’s got to be careful, too. S9 is on the verge of being erased from Idol history, and it just ended 2.5 months ago.

          • sj

            “They’re supposedly allowing her to record a lot of pre-Idol music, which is strange. ”

            I find this strange too. It’s all a matter of taste, but I tried to listen to some of Crystal’s songs and couldn’t get through them. They were boring and kind of depressing. I would definitely not buy an album of them. Although, maybe will some good production, they could end up sounding good.

        • Blue Eyes

          I hate Sony! Scumbags – all of them!

          • ross

            It’s cheaper than hiring a lot of expensive co-writers. So if she doesn’t sell a lot, at least they didn’t spend a lot on the album.

      • maturin

        That skipping over Kris in the Sony statement annoyed me. In addition to winning, he’s at least got a song doing well on radio right now, is featured at summer radio fests, and has been a solid success touring, which is more then can be said of Jordin at the moment. But maybe it’s like someone said above, and Kris will move to Universal, if Sony/Jive only did a 1 album deal.

        “Anyway, my main point is that they were hoping to get Ruben vs. Clay, Part Deux, Electric Glitteroo.”

        This.

        And what VD asked: “I don’t really know much of what’s going on with Season 9.” Those kids are screwed. Regardless of how they sang, the canceled summer tour shows on top of the “worst season ever” rep puts them in a hole it’s almost impossible to get out of.

        For Crystal, the label saying “sure, work on the record when you get back” and lack of co-writes means they have little to no expectations around the holiday buying season, which means they don’t think she has a big fanbase to tap. Though, if it is a high-quality, Etheridge style women’s folk-rock album, there’s just maybe a hope if they have patience with her next year.

        Phil Dweezy is awful and I can’t bring myself to care, but his sales are going to make Danny Gokey look like Eminem.

        • caspar

          My official estimate on Twop of Phil’s debut sales is 30-50K, which will make Kris Allen look like Justin Bieber.

          • jukejoint

            I look at all of that “worst Idol seller ever” stuff like this:

            Fantasia was the worst seller for two years, till Taylor came along.
            Taylor was the worst seller for three years, till Kris came along.
            Kris will be the worst seller for one year, till Lee comes along.

            You can replace Taylor with Jordin if you’re talking first-week sales, but overall, Taylor’s first album has sold worse than Jordin’s first album, even though his first-week sales kicked the crap out of hers and Ruben’s first-week sales kicked the crap out of everybody’s. Hey, there are only 9 of them at this point. Somebody has to be the worst seller, and it’s likely to be whoever is last, given the curent state of the recording industry. It means nothing. Just like Ruben selling 416K his first week did not mean he turned out to be a bigger star than Kelly with 297K.

            As for the leaving-Kris-out-of-the-press-release, I have no idea what it means. That Sony is a craphole and doesn’t care about its press releases? Yeah, probably. That they don’t give a flying frak about Kris Allen or Allison Iraheta? Yeah, probably. I think I agree with those who say it doesn’t mean anything by itself, but it is a warning signal to look out for what happens next.

          • muzikizmi

            Your mention of Phil DeWeezy made me giggle. On WOMX at 2:35 pm, they played The Truth. It is the first time I have heard the whole song on the radio. The DJ introed it by asking what happened to DeWeezy, from American Idol? He then said ‘in the meantime, here is the new one from Kris Allen, The Truth’.

            That DJ must be lurking among us or perhaps at VFTW. Don’t we have copywrite privileges for ‘DeWeezy’?

  • mtlfan

    *OT disclaimer* just want to say that I’ll be driving to Atlantic City on Friday from Montreal to see Kris headlining Saturday; will return sometimes Sunday. I can pick someone on my way too. I don’t byte and my friends say i’m pleasant company but they are biaised of course. haha . If anyone interested, let me know.

    • magnacarta

      God… I wished you’d told me that before. I happen to know like 10 people going to that show, but didn’t have transportation to get there… and I live in Montreal too. It would have worked wonderfully. Now, since I thought I had no chance in hell to get there, I didn’t make a passport. fail…

      • mtlfan

        i tought you may have been interested :)
        what a bummer.. because it’s by land, an enhanced drivers licence is ok to cross the border.
        Dont know if you already have a driver’s licence. If yes, you can enhance it.
        For passport, it costs an additional $70 to get it within 24h.
        I know, it’s trouble ;)

        • magnacarta

          I don’t drive. My sister does, but I can’t very well pass for my sister now haha. Thanks for the offer but I don’t think I’m just gonna drop a few hundred bucks just for one show… if I do that I won’t be able to laugh at the glamberts lol

          Maybe next time…

          • mtlfan

            Got you :)

            yeah there might be another time :D

    • nerdgirl

      mtlfan, I will be at Borgata concert. Of course, I will be coming from different direction, but if you want to meet up there … TI has my e-mail.

      • mtlfan

        yay!

        Can TI mail me nedgirl email? or should i post mine here.
        I got a twitter account too nerdgirl

        • nerdgirl

          Are you mltfan on twitter?

          • mtlfan

            muchluvall

          • magnacarta

            @mtlfan: I’m totally following you on Twitter now. Hmmm, I hesitate asking you this, but if you can get me a keychain or something from the merch booth, I’d repay you back. If it’s not convenient for you, then I’d totally understand lol Never hurts to ask though.

    • Nich

      I’m going to the show too! We need to meet up. I don’t have anyone to see it with.

      • nerdgirl

        Everybody who wants to meet, DM me @shoriagirl on Twitter.

        • Nich

          I’m tiff_fb on twitter.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            NO WAY! Nich, I had no idea that was YOU!

          • Nich

            Is that a good “no way” or a bad “no way”? LOL!

      • nerdgirl

        … and there is mtlfan on twitter. It’s a boy!

        • mtlfan

          i swear.. it’s not me :)

  • saskin

    Some of those people might be paid employees to start viral stuff, you know…

    • saskin

      This was about the t-shirt thing.

  • ross

    I just saw Switchfoot and the Goo Goo Dolls last night. Bands at Mixfest (Boston) that Kris opened for, with his 3-song, acoustic set. (Maybe I’ll get into the absurdity of that, later.)

    Anyhow, I haven’t been to a big concert in a while and when you see pros like those bands and their frontmen (Jon Foreman went right down into the audience, on the first song), well. Hello.

    Adam’s fans crossed my mind, because I thought: even giving Adam the full benefit of the doubt, he’s no rock god, and he is not at that level of performance skill, sureness, experience, or (probably) talent (talking about performance talent, not singing talent).

    Neither is Kris, and neither is David Cook, I’m pretty sure, but then my point is no one is claiming they are.

    So it’s worth having a little perspective.

    • ross

      Oh, crap, this was supposed to be in reply to stuff at the bottom of the page.

    • alicat10025

      It’s interesting that Foreman went down into the crowd right away. At least Kris has gone down into the crowd on Come Together. I’m not saying this makes him better then someone who doesn’t go down into the crowds because not every performer is the type who will do something like this. But it’s interesting that this seems to be the type of model that Kris might be aiming for, while Adam is clearly looking elsewhere to model himself.

      • ross

        Kris watched Switchfoot’s set from onstage, they must have asked him to. I think Ryland may have, also. I only saw Kris in silouette and I wasn’t sure who was with him (Ryland didn’t play but he was there. Apparently he was supposed to play. No time. Long story.)

        Anyhow, I don’t know if Kris would ever do as big a show as Switchfoot, it’s really high energy and has a lot of theatrical stuff I can’t get into. You guys know the type of show. (Drummer was downstage banging a kettle drum, at one point. Guitar choreography. Lights. Really loud. Etc.)

        But yeah, Kris is definitely not one to keep the audience at a distance, he’s very hands on and I thought there were similarities.

        • alicat10025

          I think Jon Foreman from Switchfoot has been a big Kris Allen fan ever since they were worked together when writing Lifetime. I think I saw an interview with a TV station where Foreman said he would love to tour with Kris in the future.

          • magnacarta

            Jon Foreman was chatting with Kris for a pretty long time if the MixFest stream is to be believed. Yeah, I think they respect each other musically.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Would you really go down into the audience below if YOU were Adam Lambert?

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          LOL, good point.

        • alicat10025

          Lol – so true – especially if he wants to live to put on his next show.

        • vtu

          That’s the side benefit to doing his shows barefoot. Gives him the perfect excuse not to go into the audience. ;)

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      I read the concert thread on MJ’s and how disappointed the fans on there were with the short set and “surprise”. Oh well, some things just don’t turn out the way one hoped. But you enjoyed yourself, I gather. :)

      One thing I have noticed about Kris’s set list is that it encourages crowd participation. His covers are (mostly) well-known radio-friendly songs and he actively engages the crowd in singing parts of Alright With Me. So, even with a short 3-song set at the MixFest, he still picked singalong songs so he can feed off of the audience. I like that approach.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        I thought about going to the show but Kris Allen went on before 7pm. I believe he was scheduled for 6:25 and was a few minutes late, judging by Twitter feed.

        Seriously? On a Monday night, they schedule a show to start in the late afternoon? It’s one of the most non-kiddie venues in the city, too. But there was no way I was going to be able to get there from work, so what was the point? Especially when I would only be going to cover it for the blog.

    • saskin

      Thank you ross.

      • ross

        Oh well, some things just don’t turn out the way one hoped. But you enjoyed yourself, I gather.

        Yeah, it was worth it to meet and talk to Cale. I had met the rest of them before, but not him. Also Kris had a big crowd waiting to meet him and most of them were waiting literally three hours just for that. I got to observe him up close interacting with people, which was fun.

        I knew when Steven Page came out and announced he had ten minutes, and played three songs, that the same thing would happen with Kris – especially when I saw it was just Kris and Cale, not the whole band. Ryland passed in front of me as I was taking a video of Alright With Me, and I thought, “What’s he doing here?” (Cale said he was supposed to play but then these time constraints were apparently imposed.)

        Kris said, before playing Live Like We’re Dying, that the were playing the short version, since they were out of time.

        Cale also told me the timing was literally that tight.

        I think the fact that both S. Page and Kris commented on the time to the audience indicated they must have felt bad and wanted to let us know it wasn’t their fault.

        I don’t really get it, since they advertised Kris as if he was one of the headliners, for weeks. On the radio they usually announced the Goo Goo Dolls, Kris Allen, and Switchfoot. They never mentioned The Spill Canvas (in the radio spots), and S. C. ended up doing probably seven or eight songs (I was talking to Cale then so I wasn’t paying attention).

        I still don’t get why if they were using Kris’s name so much to hype the concert, they gave him ten minutes, a bad performance slot, and he had to play acoustic. Walking back to my car I saw Sue Brady (DJ on Mix) outside a restaurant and I told her Kris should have played more. “You didn’t think he played enough?” She said. I said I thought it was possibly the shortest set he ever played in a concert. It was then I remembered that after he won Idol Krishad played at a Mix show on the Collonade roof, with David Gray, and the station had advertised it a lot, giving him lots of publicity, then I think he only played three or four songs.

        I have to say they give him lots of free publicity but they never seem to want him to play his music, much.

        • nerdgirl

          Kris played only 5 songs at Chicago Hancock Plaza gig. Angel Taylor who opened for him that day played 4 songs. It was lunchtime thing, though, it must have been planned that way. Kris had another show that afternoon, however, he stayed for more than an hour afterward and signed every single thing that was brought to him and he also gave away already autographed pictures for free. Cale and Katy were there also and talked to anybody who wanted to talk to them. I think, it is great for fans to meet Kris, but it’s also great for Kris to meet his fans. For all the unbelievable amounts of dirt that media and Glamberts dump on him, Kris can see that he has fans and they love him and his music.

          • ross

            Kris played only 5 songs at Chicago Hancock Plaza gig. Angel Taylor who opened for him that day played 4 songs. It was lunchtime thing, though, it must have been planned that way.

            Also, it was free. It wasn’t like paying 50+ bucks to hear 3 songs – which some people I talked to did (I got the 10 special, online).

            He was cool this time, too. They said “no pictures, just signing.” He then proceeded to pose for pictures with practically everyone there. He was standing at a gate. People just crowded up and it was kind of scary. Except everyone was more or less polite, and they weren’t yelling and screaming. And that was cool since they were mostly teens.

          • ross

            “10 dollar special,” that should have read.

          • nerdgirl

            Believe me, it was not free to me. I drove 5 hours and stayed in a hotel downtown Chicago. That was way more than $50. Worth every penny (for me), but of course, I understand people sentiments.

          • ross

            I get your point, but it’s not the same as advertising someone as one of the stars of a concert and getting people to buy tickets based on that, and then he plays for ten minutes. I’m talking about deceptive advertising.

        • snapcracklypop

          I’m thinking Kris stuck around not only to watch performances, but to meet the fans to make up for a short set he’s forced to do. I’m sure that bummed him not being able to perform more for people. I read you recap on MJ’s ross and I don’t usually read comments from there. I hope Kris headlines or opens a regular concert near you. I say, if it’s only like 5 hours away – I’d so go for it. It’s worth going :)

  • sodagrape

    Today’s headline thread has taught me the following lessons:

    - Not liking a t-shirt = HOMOPHOBE
    - Being a fan of someone other than Adam means your opinions are irrelevant
    - Country fans are naive and innocent and clearly cannot handle Adam and as such, must be pointed and laughed at
    - And above all, HOMOPHOBE UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT

    • alicat10025

      So true – I’m just watching the absurdity of the whole thing. And that Krist en was the one originally called out as a homphobe was the funnies part of it to me.

      • JaneRochester

        Kirsten’s explanation of why she might not be a homophobe was a smackdown epic in its understatedness. I’m pretty sure it sailed right over the heads of those who needed to read it the most.

        • sodagrape

          I <3 Kirsten.

        • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

          Now I want to hear about this…

          • auntieaimee

            Too late. MJ showed up with sawdust and broom and cleaned up that verbal yak-age. Kirsten and windmills were brilliant, though. I don’t know how they do it.

        • J

          Did anyone save Kirsten’s explanation?

          • saskin

            That page is still open on my computer. If you explain to me what it is you want I can find it. I am just to lazy to read the whole shindig

          • J

            I didn’t read it before it disappeared so I’m not exactly sure what it will say. Someone mentioned her explanation as to why she might not be a homophobe.

          • alicat10025

            I didn’t save her replies but Kirsten also managed to get people onto the idea of Kris=Satan for a laugh. And no one accused her of being anti-short/balding men.

          • JaneRochester

            Kirsten’s comment:

            “There are real examples of homophobia out there. Like those people who hate the term “Soup”-Nazi, “Femi”-Nazi and “Whatever”-Nazi because it trivializes the holocaust and what the real Nazis did, I personally reserve the accusation of homophobia for when it clearly is one. Having spent a good portion of my childhood being beaten up, spit on and called names for being the “gay kid’s little sister” and knowing that what I experienced was just a tiny bit of what my sibling experienced, I know what a problem real homophobia is.”

          • saskin

            Maybe this:

            Kirsten:

            Did the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation create that t-shirt because that image is almost, but not quite entirely unlike Adam.

            Seriously, it’s like those “Barbie” dolls of famous characters in movies. They all look more like “Barbie” than the actual person.

            What did they do to his cheeks? He has an oval face, not a triangular one.

            Disclaimer: I’m not saying that Adam looks like Barbie, just that the t-shirt manufacturer seems to have grafted him onto some sort of template resulting in am image that looks little like the original. Good thing they labeled it with his name. Yes, it is wonderful that HotTopic has a t-shirt for him and I’m sure that none of the other Idols have one, least of all some Idol I’ve liked in the past. I’m sure he’ll get money for it and it’s all wonderful. I’m just commenting that their art department needs to take a few more classes.

            It is not a big deal though. The thread reads like Allen fans flamed glamberts. Heh

    • mtlfan

      lol! Kirsten is hilarious… got to check this

    • jukejoint

      Whoever called her a homophobe was summarily banned. But now I want to know who it was…

      • saskin

        Maggie81?

      • JaneRochester

        Well, she had a mighty interesting screen name: maggie81.

        • et

          maggie81 popped in, called Kirsten a homophobe (or at least said her comment sounded like she was a jealous homophobe), got pissed off when people called her on it, said she was new, and then I guess got banned. Busy day for maggie81. I must’ve missed some excitement because the thread was… full of holes… by the time I got back. But yes, Kirsten’s response was fantastic and most *definitely* flew right over many Hive-heads. She is hilarious. And definitely, if you don’t like Adam’s t-shirt and/or think it doesn’t look like him, you are a jealous homophobe :)

        • ross

          maggie81? Let’s see, now.

          Add 1 to 8 and you get 9.
          Add 1 to 1 and you get 2.

          92.

          maggie? Maggie the Cat, maybe?

          What kind of cat has stripes?

          • JaneRochester

            Bingo.

          • ross

            Tiger, tiger, burning bright, in th forests of the night.

  • caspar

    And Archie has 3 times the followers, therefore he will sell 3 times the number of CD’s Cook does.

    I always like to point out that Ashton Kutcher has 4 million followers, yet his last TV show bombed, his last movie bombed, and I’m not even sure he’s still selling cameras.

    • caspar

      Oops, that was supposed to go to the end of the comments. Sorry.

    • et

      That is far too rational :)

      • ross

        Stop making sense.

  • Llamakhan

    The concern trolls at MJ’s have now started in on Cook. They are “concerned” that he doesn’t have enough twitter followers to sell his next CD. They like him and say he had such momentum but now it is gone because he doesn’t have as many followers as Adam. Adam may have far more followers, but who has sold more CD’s?

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      What does Twitter have to do with selling an album?

      • Llamakhan

        It determines how many fans a person has to buy an album. Apparently since Adam has so many more followers, his second album has a better chance of selling than Cook’s.

        • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

          Twitter followers do not directly correlate to album sales. This is Kerry Kolsch logic!

          • et

            I think that’s a whole new term in logic. “Kolschian Logic.”

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          By this twisted logic Adam would have surpassed Cook’s album sales now, especially since Glamberts are very good at buying and gifting multiple copies. In fact, I think he should’ve racked up enough sales to go double platinum!!!11!!1!!

          • Pandora

            How many twitter followers does Susan Boyle have? ;)

          • saskin

            Maybe their quotients are different. Like for normal humans it might be 25 and for glamberts it might be 0.1. So other idols will sell 25 times their twitter followers unlike Lambert, who’ll only sell 1/10. I dare them to prove me wrong. Just kidding. Leave me alone. He is rawk gahd, rising stah, our only hope for music. All that.

            I am losing it. I think.

      • et

        Heh, it’s an interesting new “concern” and reminds me why I will avoid MJs like the plague when Cook’s album drops. I forgot that the Glamberts would buzz forth from the Hive in mass concern, lol.

        I was touched, though, that they cared enough to worry that he’s doomed because he doesn’t have enough followers on Twitter :)

        • Salleyanne

          This is petty but it would tickle the snot out of me if Cook outsold Lambert with his next single, but I’m sure in the Glamworld logic, they would turn it into a negative.

          • et

            They already threw it in there that Cook has “fewer obstacles” so they are ready to counter it if Cook sells more (and I’m not getting my hopes up, but damn give me some new music, dude!). Cook is not gay, therefore you have to apply Kolschian Logic to reduce Cook-sales to Lambert-sales by the factor of “obstacles due to gayness” until Cook-sales are less than Lambert-sales.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            How does Cook have fewer obstacles? I would honestly think his music might be a tougher sell, given that no one really takes “rock music” from an Idol contestant seriously. He’s already been likened to a Nickelback/Switchfoot/et al clone, and he’s over 2 years off of Idol, which has taken a serious beating in that time. Lambert has had considerable promotion, including magazine covers, televised performances unrelated to Idol, his Idol mentorship…

            Hasn’t Daughtry’s album sold sluggishly, too?

          • Dickory Dock

            et, I think the Glamberts have a very complicated algorithm with flowcharts and arrows and x number of variables that all loop back to the only viable outcome: Adam Is A Rock Gawd.

            Kolschian Logic. *snort*

          • et

            How does Cook have fewer obstacles? I would honestly think his music might be a tougher sell, given that no one really takes “rock music” from an Idol contestant seriously.

            That was what I was going to argue before I just deleted my comment and wandered away. You can’t argue with the Hive, after all. How the winner from over two years ago who hasn’t had a single released since April 2009, is in a genre that will have a hell of a battle to ever get radio play as an Idol alum, and has not had the Glambert publicity machine could have fewer “obstacles” just because he’s not gay is bewildering me. Cook has a LOT of obstacles, and hence I have taken a deep breath and realized that pre-Cook-Idol-fantardism I could give two shits where my favorite artists were on the charts, with sales, whatever and I need to go back to that place and just enjoy the music. I mean, historically most of my favorite music doesn’t get mainstream radio play and never really did much on the charts so why should a stupid TV show change things? :) I never cared that the Sundays weren’t cleaning up on the Top 40 charts… (though my dear “Here’s Where the Story Ends” did apparently go to #1 on the Modern Rock/Alternative chart which is cool). And I still played (and still do play) those CDs until I had to replace them, lol.

          • et

            And I might add that Studio57 and BestAI are doing their best to make up for the loss of tiger92, lol.

          • JaneRochester

            This morning’s headline thread over there is making me want to commit boardicide. Not via lecture, but by posting something that starts with “I’ve had it up to here with you f*cking Glamberts and your “everyone’s a homophobe” bullshit….”

          • et

            LOL, JaneRochester, I just told my friend the same thing. I feel like just going off on them and getting it over with :) Between the Cook concern trolling and the “you’re a jealous homophobe” if you don’t think Adam’s t-shirt looks like him… GAH! Make it stop!

    • jeydawg

      LOL I love their logic. They seriously use things like yahoo search and google trends or whatever to try and validate that, once again, Adam is the Best Thing On The Earth Ever. How they live with that much bullshit in their heads is beyond me.

      All this really drives home for me though is this: Adam’s fans are completely and utterly ridiculous. They’re actually throwing a fit because he’s not nominated for any MTV Music Video Awards this year and he’s OBVIOUSLY MORE DESERVING OF ANYONE ELSE ON THE LIST. The list of nominees for Best New Artist? Bieber, Ke$ha, Jason DeRulo, Nicki Minaj and Broken Bells. The only name that I’m not familiar with on the list is Broken Bells, but all of the others have had HUGE hit songs and buzz. And they don’t have the Idol stigma attached. I don’t know why they’ve deluded themselves into thinking Adam is ever going to break away from that stigma, because he won’t. IMO, none oft them, even Idol’s biggest, have done it completely. It just doesn’t happen.

      The thing is though, these kinds of awards shows are usually NEVER based on real talent, usually, and they’re all insisting that it doesn’t mean anything after their freakout, but if Adam HAD scored one? It would somehow be proof that he really is That Awesome. Seriously, Glambert logic makes no sense.

      • auntieaimee

        Broken Bells has a really cool song called “The High Road”.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        And if there is any award show almost purely put on for spectacle, it’s the VMAs.

    • J

      The whole twitter followers to album sales correlation is ridiculous. The Dropkick Murphys have about 6K followers but have had many successful albums/concerts and a platinum single or two. That Cook has fewer followers than Adam could mean nothing more than Cook fans haven’t created multiple twitter accounts to drive up his numbers or that a bunch of them actually have a life outside of the internet.

      I’m not concerned at all about how Cook’s next album will sell. It may not hit platinum in three months like the first one did but I think it will do well enough that he can continue making more music for those of us who enjoy listening to him sing.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        The Dropkick Murphys sell out 5 shows (at the House of Blues) during the week of St. Patrick’s Day in Boston every year. They played in the Red Sox parade after we won in 2007, the song of which was prominently featured in the film that won the Academy Award for Best Picture that year.

        They’re obviously bigger in Boston than anywhere else, but the Dropkick Murphys are doing just fine. That was a good example, J.

        • ross

          Oh, my God. Why would anyone follow Adam on twitter? “Thanx for the twats, bitches! u rock!” is not good reading.

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