Idol Quickies: July 11, 2010

Wait, where is your e-mail on this site? I honestly don’t see it–I looked, and I see where you can subscribe for e-mail updates, but not your e-mail? And twitter is still pretty public. Sigh. I really did not mean this to be super public.

Okay…I can see where you’re coming from on some of that, but if you read that thread, I was absolutely not the person who brought up Kris, or who even started comparing Kris and Adam. At all.

Verbally Dyslexic said:

As far as I know, Kris didn’t really do disco on disco night either; he flipped the Donna Summers tune with a bossa nova beat.

Ross said:

Maybe but I don’t think Kris was cavalier about it. At least it was still something you could dance to. I think Donna Summer could have sung Kris’s version of the song. Adam didn’t even attempt to be in the spirit of the genre. (And on Rat Pack week, Kris did a good swing version of The Way You Look tonight. Adam was the only one who didn’t really even try to fit himself into the genre. I was sorry Matt went home because at least he showed he had some knowledge and appreciation of the genre.)

I actually think the avoidance of the genres was a factor in his not winning. I don’t think he showed a lot of versatility, and Kris did.

The first time I mentioned Kris was in response to that:

Also, isn’t Verbally Dyslexic right that Kris did that as well? He didn’t do disco on disco night–he took a disco song and changed it to make it fit his style. I remember liking that version, actually, he did something very cool. He and Adam both avoided disco on disco night, lol.

I didn’t start comparing them until ross brought them up in that way. And even then, nothing that I said was any different from what others were saying, I just prefer a different person.

So no, I’m not the one starting the same old comparison again–and I said I thought Kris was bland, but I don’t think that’s any worse or different from anything Ross said, I just happen to like Adam.

Basically, I was not the first person to bring up Kris, and I don’t think that explaining why I like Adam and mentioning what I don’t like about Kris–when Kris had already been brought up in comparison with Adam–is “Glambert rhetoric” any more than people like ross who were saying what they liked about Kris and didn’t like Adam were using “Krisbert rhetoric.”

Okay?

“No on needed to bring him up, and it was okay for awhile b/c it was specifically referring to a couple of those nights. But hey, you didn’t bring up how you felt about Matt Giraud. And they shouldn’t have brought him up but I didn’t see where it was going until I read further. However, people were dissecting Lambert’s covers just fine, that’s allowed. Just as it would if this post were about anyone else in that capacity. Perhaps I should have stopped the conversation sooner but I was, I admit, concentrating on the two TV shows I watch every Sunday (Hung / Entourage).”

What? I don’t understand what you’re saying here. I’m wrong for not bringing up how I felt about Matt Giraud? No one did, Ross and some others brought up how they felt about Kris in comparison to Adam. Were they wrong for just bringing up Kris and not Matt Giraud?

And first, when you think that I was the one who brought Kris into it, you say that that’s never okay. Then, when you realize that it was other posters here who started the Kris vs. Adam stuff, you say that that’s okay because it was specifically referring to a couple of those nights? Then why wasn’t it okay when I responded to that? You’re saying that it was fine when they did it, but not okay for me to respond to what they said?

Um, did I ever say that it wasn’t okay for people to talk about Adam’s covers? No, of course not, that was the whole point of the discussion–I was discussing them too and (again, I repeat, etc.) other people brought up Kris’s covers in comparison to Adam’s, so I responded in the direction that the conversation was going.

As far as I can tell, the only difference between what I said and what they said was that I wasn’t the one to bring it up—they were—and when I compared, it was in favor of a different person.

Really, maybe I’m missing something but it seems like you are being tremendously hypocritical here, or at least very inconsistent.

And wow, I did not know that using the adjective “bland” was not okay—it’s a pretty common adjective to describe music that you don’t find interesting. Would you have preferred vanilla or boring or something? I find Kris vanilla. I think I used “bland” maybe twice in the whole thread? And I said it was because I didn’t find him musically interesting or creative—that’s my explanation, I didn’t realize that people had to write long treatises on why they don’t like Kris or don’t like Adam here—do people have to explain in detail why they don’t like Adam to avoid being considered a Kristard?

And seriously, I’m a troll because I used an adjective that pushes Kris fans’ buttons in saying what I’m not into him?

Are you going to tell people here to stop using the words “theatrical” or “screamy” to describe Adam negatively because those are words that push people’s buttons? Somehow, I don’t think so considering that people use those words all the time on this blog, including you. And that’s totally fine, why should they use those words if that’s what they feel—it’s completely valid to find Adam too theatrical or screamy or whatever. So, why is it not okay to find Kris bland?
“If you let this go, we wouldn’t be discussing it anymore, you know that, right?”

So, because I hold a different opinion from most people here, and I express it, and people respond, and that leads to a discussion and —that’s somehow me doing something wrong?

Really, there are some very cool people here, like Lauren and Erin and some others, but it seems like you sometimes have a problem with people expressing different opinions.

No no no, Verbally Dyslexic, I wasn’t saying that you were comparing in a bad way or anything (if that’s what you thought)–I was just saying that I wasn’t the person who brought Kris into the discussion.

What you said was totally fine and neutral and factual and everything, there was nothing wrong with it at all.

Hi TI–I don’t know if you’ll see this since the thread is dead, but I thought I’d wait a while to respond just to avoid all appearances of trying to provoke drama, lol. I’d send this as a pm, but I don’t see that option.

I have a totally genuine question. About 80% of the discussion on this blog is about Adam. He’s the biggest tag thing up in that list, his posts or posts with talk about him get the most comments, etc. And I don’t think you seriously hate Adam or anything, but you definitely have a largely negative opinion about him, both artistically and personally, and so does almost everyone on this blog. A lot even seem to hate him–they’ve said so. And it’s not about mocking the crazy fans all the time–there are posts and comments about Adam himself, and about how much people hate him. I’ve seen even some members here admit that.

So the question is: why? I just don’t get it. Kris is the only other person from AI I’m really at all familiar with, and I’m not a fan musically, and I don’t care one way or the other about him as a person. So I don’t talk about him. I definitely wouldn’t go to a site that spent 80% of its time talking mostly very negatively about him. What’s the allure?

I think it’s mostly that people are unhappy that Adam’s doing well and getting respect in the real world, but of course, I’m a fan, lol.

I really genuinely like him. He’s the only country artist whose music is on my ipod. Ring of Fire isn’t one of my favorites from him because of the mariachi thing it has going on, but I love Get Rhythm, Folsom Prison Blues, and his cover of Hurt.

I definitely know if he would have liked the performance because how could anyone know something like that, but I do think he most likely would have approved of the general concept of someone taking his song and doing a different version of it since he did it with Hurt and he was a risk taker in general.

That doesn’t mean you have to like Adam’s Ring of Fire, of course, just that I don’t think it’s “sacrilege” to change up a classic song.

I thought Adam seemed to show a lot of versatility in how he sang, and that seemed to the critical consensus, esp. outside the Idol press?

idk, I guess it’s (like so much about Adam, lol) another love it or hate it thing: some people hated that Adam didn’t conform to genre, some people loved it that he always did his own thing.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree–idk, I thought Adam was by far the most musically creative out of that group, in how he sang and performed. Idk if he does swing, although he seems to incorporate a lot of different styles of singing into his own style.

I just thought that the way he adapted songs to fit his style while make each song individual was pretty creative, more so than doing the karaoke thing. But different strokes and all that. I was just never into Kris–a couple of his arrangements were really cool, but overall he seemed musically bland and same-y to me, so obviously nothing can appeal to everyone.

And I don’t think that Adam refused to do a ballad because of the lack of high notes–Mad World and Tracks of My Tears and some of his current songs don’t allow for the screaming but he seems okay with that, lol.

I thought it was really pretty too–maybe kinda abrupt, but beautiful. And he seemed so into it, like he had to shake himself out of it at the end.

Yvonne Elliman’s voice is beautiful–woah, I didn’t realize that the woman from JCS did the original of that song!

Woah, chill.

I don’t think he came up with it, I know it was Dilana’s version, he’s said so a bunch of times. I liked his version of her version, so to speak–his phrasing was kind of different from hers, though I went and listened to hers and liked it a lot too.

And I don’t think Adam’s acoustic WLL is omgthemostbrilliantthingever, but I do think it’s his arrangement–it’s different from Robert Plant’s and pretty creative in his own way.

I mean, I don’t think Adam is reinventing the musical wheel, lol, I just think he’s musically gifted and creative. Okay? Leave your hair alone.

Whatever it reminds you of, I promise that it’s possible to be really put off by the Jeff Buckley joke and not be trying to be running a pyscho glambert diversion.

Idk, Jeff Buckley is one of the most played artists on my ipod and I think that making a joke about him drowning is extremely douchey. It doesn’t invalidate the guy not liking Adam or anything, but it does make me think he’s kind of a douche.

That’s fine, nerdgirl. I do think that he has all those things, and I think a lot of people do? But obviously every has different opinions on music.