Freedom of Speech is NOT OK!

2010 June 29

by TopIdol

Chris Richards’ review of Adam Lambert’s DC show for The Washington Post is the gift that keeps on giving. Glamberts are now calling for the Richards’ termination on the grounds of bias and homophobia — you know, accusations that are perfectly acceptable to throw around whenever the occasion calls for it [in the twisted minds of obsessive peoples].

Because seriously, Richards SHOULD be fired, as his opinion must not be relevant if “over 120″ people disagreed with him. In fact, Richards is not entitled to an opinion on the matter because clearly, he is not qualified to be a music critic. And since The Washington Post is renowned for their pop music blogging, how dare allow such damage to their credibility be made.

I just sent an email to Washington Post Customer Service, Reader Feedback and the Ombudsman complaining about Mr. Richard’s biased review. I have put my home delivery subsription on hold until a retraction is posted. here are the email addresses:interactivity@washingtonpost.com, custhelp-wp@washingtonpost.com, ombudsman@washpost.com (ombudsman may be the most important of these addresses)
here is the text of my email:

I have put a vacation hold on my Washington Post Sunday subscription until I decide what to do after reading Chris Richards extremely biased, unfair, hateful and bordering on homophobic review of last night’s Adam Lambert concert at the 9:30 club. Please see the more than 120 comments, mostly from incensed people who attended the concert, most of whom thought it was one of the best performances they had ever seen in their life. All bloggers are entitled to their opinions and a fair and honest negative review is always welcome, but this review is so clearly inconsistent with the views of nearly everyone that commented on the article, that it should be considered biased and unfair. A retraction should be posted and the right of Mr. Richards to blog on washingtonpost.com should be reviewed. Perhaps Mr. Richards should blog independently, but having his biased views posted on washingtonpost.com drastically reduces the credibility of your site. I have been a subscriber for 8 years and will likely cancel my subscription if some correction to this abhorrent review is not made.

Yes, Chris Richards. You need to RETRACT YOUR REVIEW because it is entirely UNTRUE. (Do you know how newspaper retractions work?) You should pretty much just off yourself since you’re of small mind and are unable to find any enjoyment in life.

Poor Chris Richards. Poor thing. You sound old. Not in an “age” way or a good, old-and-wise way, but in a very stale and staid way. Very sad. I have a suggestion for you: Lighten up. Loosen up. Have a good time. Over the top is okay. That’s what Adam Lambert is about. Flamboyant, colorful and fun, fun, fun. You seem like you could use some enjoyment in your life. And sorry, you should not be acting as a music critic if you are unable to appreciate Lambert’s vocal prowess, even if you don’t care for the style. Your obvious snarkiness noted. Lambert’s voice is exceptional and for me, it’s all about the voice. If you can’t hear that, you’re definitely in the wrong business. If you can’t be objective, you shouldn’t be a critic. It’s easy to see you’re the type of person who gets off on bringing other people down. If you are unable to feel the joy in a room filled with Lambert fans and that impeccable voice, sorry buddy, you’re all dried up. Why don’t you take your small mind and your small voice and go elsewhere where you feel more comfortable? You are not qualified to review this show.

Spread the word. Do it.

blacklisted

LOL! Nothing changes with these heifers.

Lauren

DKGHDSKRHGLRIGB BLACKLISTED I MISSED YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!111!!11! NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

BLACKLISTED!!!

BLACKLISTED!!!

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, MY LOVE??

blacklisted

Work schedule got crazy along with incompetent management. Then I took a much needed vacation…right before family came for a long visit. I’m finally able to take a break from work and my high maintanence clan because there is a heatwave!

deez

Things just haven’t been the same without you!!

Don’t you feel the glowing warmth of love’s warming glow??

muzikizmi

After Elton weighs in on Kris Allen – Shirtless. It is hilarious, of course.

http://www.afterelton.com/blog/snicks/briefs-07-01-2010

muzikizmi

Oops, sorry. That post^^^ was aimed at (and missed) another thread.
parsenip

As is this comment:

Dear Kris – Don’t be mad — look at you! You’re smokin! Plus you’re not naked or in a compromising position…so buck up, mate! But I understand the invasion feeling — but that comes with the territory of being a celeb.

ross

Reply to that reply:

If I looked like Kris Allen I’d be walking down the street in that swimsuit giving away pictures of myself.

I understand wishing you could have some privacy while on vacation, but if specifically has concerns about being photographed shirtless, that’s just silly. There’s nothing bad about being seen when you look that good.

Kris’s genuine modesty is cool. It’s like an antidote to all the famewhores in show business.

jazz

I kinda hate how so many bloggers (and the people commenting) have taken Kris’ funny comments out of context & they’re acting as if he’s whining. If they listened to the interview, they’d realize it was just something funny. Ahh well…..

Verbally Dyslexic

I think in this case it’s no big deal. They’re just teasing him, not calling him a whiny little bitch. Also, it clearly is just an excuse to post the photo again.

jazz

You’re right. That one was no big deal & was funny.

StayPeaceful

Waving back to you, Alicat! Thanks.

Good night now.
StayPeaceful

My little stick arms are definitely
wide open.

Hugs to those who enjoy hugs.

alicat10025

can you love those of us who have no legs but instead are hovering in the air?

alicat10025

PS – I’m waving at you to welcome you to our blog world

StayPeaceful

As a relatively new commenter, my appreciation for the welcome to this blog. Thought I would partake in
some freedom of speech (in the written form).

Joy and goodness to All.

Verbally Dyslexic

Your monster looks like it’s drunkenly staggering around, offering people hugs.

Verbally Dyslexic

It also looks like it’s a split second away from projectile vomiting.

Llamakhan

Haha it does!

Daf

I’m about a split second away from projectile vomiting too.

StayPeaceful

This is a fun-filled blog with the right
amount of snark for added flavor.

Some of the fun and joy does get clouded
when there is self-justified ridicule of
others. No, I am not a pastor, nor a
troll. I only wanted to add a lighter,
more loving touch to the blend of
comments that I was seeing.

ophelia64

Snap out of it
cc

So you’re not a troll or a pastor…

I only wanted to add a lighter

Are youhigh then?

StayPeaceful

Where is our joy, goodness to ourselves and others and Life’s most wonderful essense love? It is

Within us
and
Surrounding us.

Be more joyful and loving —- and express your true self.

magnacarta

… are you a Pastor?

deez

LOL.
rehabilitard

No, it is Barney!

Llamakhan

Huh?

magnacarta

I think it’s a troll…

jukejoint

I think it’s Jack Handey.

alicat10025

According to Jim Cantiello, David Archuleta is the new Jack Handey.

Things that make you go hmmm
parsenip

Or Stuart Smalley. You’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

Dickory Dock

The WaPo now has an article highlighting the BSC comments from the Lambert review. (Also a few from the Hole concert review – some of which are amazingly hilarious because I dislike Courtney Love like damn, so much. Example: All of a sudden Yoko doesn’t seem so bad…)

Some highlights from the new comments:

The writer of the Lambert review maybe should team up with the program director of DC’s 99.5, who said on an internet program that he wanted to “punch Adam Lambert in the face.” They could form a homophobe club together and prove how backwards this area is, much to my surprise.

Opinions are one thing, but Chris Richards is a biased, tone deaf, homophobic idiot. Maybe your jealous that he’s sexy as hell! I am not a glambert I’m 26, a newer fan and was at the concert with a 27 year old friend. Adam clearly knows his audience, he has a story to tell in his show, he brought the audience on a journey both visually and through his amazing tenor voice. He was pitch perfect, it may not be the style you prefer Mr. Richards, but no-one in rock/pop music in the last several decades can come anywhere near to Adam’s vocal range and technique. If you listen to the words to most of the songs on his CD you’ll see they are not insipid, if you think they are you truly lack soul. He has so many great messages to share in the majority of the songs and a few songs for dancing and partying together. Aftermath is anything but overly dramatic and is one of the most beautifully written songs I’ve ever heard and his acoustic performance last night was absolutely breathtaking, as is soaked – no-one in pop music can come close to signing like that. He inspires many to love and accept each other:preteens,teens,moms,gay,bi,straight, a message we could all live by!

I love it when they pretend to be all young and hip and stuff.

@calgurl75 – You should be ashamed and embarrassed about your comments regarding Adam’s “borderline delusional” and “rude” fans. Whom, exactly, do you think you are? You obviously have a preconceived bias against Adam, so don’t sit and tell the fans who have seen him from the beginning, seen the exceptional talent he has, and seen the amazing, humble personality we all love that we are borderline delusional. We are, merely, more educated and culturally aware than you are. I wonder if your screen name signifies the year you were born. Your immaturity is appalling. You will someone be eating your words.

ZOMG you gais!! Glamtards are more edumacated and culturally aware than those jellis haterzzzz!!!11!1!!ELEVENTY

But look, that commenter wasn’t finished! She posted again:

As an addendum to my previous post, I also find that the majority of bashers fall into three categories: homophobes; fans of other “Idols” who have not been as successful; men who are threatened by the way woman go crazy over this fabulous gay man. If you even try to say Adam does not have an incredible, unbelievable, once-in-an-era voice, you have no credibility and are laughable.

I wonder who this other “Idol” she alludes to is? Very curious.

They will never stop.

Pandora

Frak it, kill me now. Wait. Kill them now instead.
alicat10025

That’s what cracks me up the most – opinions are ok but Chris Richards isn’t allowed to have one that disagrees with the Glambert view point.

But I wish they wouldn’t have put up an article about the comments – it just gives them more attention and will let them think that continuing to do this is ok. And unlike with the Kris/Bream a rticle – at least they aren’t trying to remove comments that disagree with what the author of the article/review wrote.
mtlfan

“”..but no-one in rock/pop music in the last several decades can come anywhere near to Adam’s vocal range and technique”"

that kind of comment kills me! It’s so ridiculous. Talking about big voice, just here in Quebec we have a guy, Bruno Pelletier (musicals, pop) who sang a bit of Deep Purple a few months ago in Moscow. Personally i prefer his singing … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivpop8lZZRA&feature=related

magnacarta

lol, very true. it’s so narrow-minded of them to think that just because Lambert has a great voice, no one IN THE ENTIRE WORLD can compare to him.

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have a 5 octave vocal range like Céline Dion. She qualifies as a ‘in the last decades’ person, doesn’t she?

mtlfan

yep. Little Charice qualifies too. lol

deez

I also find that the majority of bashers fall into three categories: homophobes; fans of other “Idols” who have not been as successful; men who are threatened by the way woman go crazy over this fabulous gay man.

Interesting. These are my findings:

Pandora

Deez, will your pie chart marry my dino-legged monster?
J

I bow down to you and your pie chart.
melissa

I think this is the most beautiful pie chart that I have ever seen.
Llamakhan

I love it!
alicat10025

this is awesome – deez wins all arguments on everything, everywhere with the amazing pie charts
Trish

ROTFLMAO. You kill me, deez! (Literally, because I can’t breathe I’m laughing so hard.)

kimberly

“His voice is that of an angel with a powerful and dynamic range, a tenor with a glass-cracking falsetto touched by the hand of God and blessed by the spirit of Freddie Mercury.” — A.D. Amorosi

Is this for real?

saskin

Oh my… Can you imagine what a sad life these people are leading if this is not a joke?

This one is my favorite

Not one person who saw Adam’s concert has written in to agree with the reviewer.

Not one.

The review is just so diametrically opposed to the experience of the concertgoers that one has to wonder if Mr. Richards actually went to the show, or just phoned it in.

Hon, those people paid to go to that concert because they like Lambert. Get it? Nope. She does not get it. Oy.

et

Conspiracy! Mr. Richards didn’t even go! Conspiracy!
marissa

The quote above was from the Philadelphia Inquirer concert review, by a real journalist and everything–not a fan or a crazy person in a comment section.

The review itself is pretty balanced, so I think he both really likes Adam’s voice and was being a little facetious about it.

erinnthered

Eh, just because he works for the paper doesn’t mean he isn’t biased. That kind of statement kind of speaks to a pretty big one. At least he’s clear about it.

marissa

Thanks for defending my honor down there, erin. (re: not thinking that the WP guy is a biased hack just because he doesn’t like Adam).

I’m really loving these bands so far, btw–I’ve been scouring youtube.
marissa

But, isn’t he just saying that he thinks Adam’s voice is really amazing? He’s not saying (I assume, lol) that Adam is literally blessed by God as the reincarnation of Freddie Mercury or anything–it’s just a colorful way of saying that Adam’s voice is really amazing. That’s seems like a valid opinion from a music reviewer, doesn’t it? Not one that everyone has to agree with, of course, but perfectly valid?

The WP guy was colorful about his negative opinions and the PI guy is colorful about his positive opinions. Aren’t both valid? I mean, I guess all reviewers probably have some sort of bias, but if the WP guy isn’t biased, then I don’t think the PI guy is either. Just one really doesn’t like Adam, and one really does.

And I’m not saying this to be snarky, I’m honestly asking because it seemed perfectly fine to me?
erinnthered

I love youtube for looking up bands!

Actually, someone I know just told about a British Arctic Monkeys side project that’s about a thousand times better than the Arctic Monkeys!

The Last Shadow Puppets. I can’t believe I missed them up till now. My Mistakes is a brilliant song, and I’m liking everything else I’ve heard too. Very 60′s lounge vibe mixed with Brit-rock. A little bit like Mellow’s stuff for the CQ soundtrack.

erinnthered

C’mon. Touched by the Hand of God of God is a bit much, no? I mean, why use hyperbole unless you’re mocking, as Llamakhan pointed out. He’s using it because he believes it, and that’s…a little creepy, IMO.

et

“Touched by the hand of God” is over the top and just silly – and it deserves to be mocked if someone uses it in a review. (Or I think so anyway). Flowery prose, lol.
marissa

lol, if he’s totally serious, then yeah, that’s a bit OTT to say the least. I guess I just assumed it was meant to be funny–praise of Adam’s voice, but not literally saying he is The Chosen One.

Thank you for the new recommendations, erin! My parents will curse you for the dent in my itunes bill.
erinnthered

Psst. beemp3(.)org

I believe in supporting artists, but sometimes you’ve got to slum it till you can afford to buy.

MissMyEm

Nope. She does not get it. Oy.
What, you expected maybe Einstein among them? Not in our lifetime, I’m afraid.

marissa

Yep, it’s the Philadelphia Inquirer review. The review itself was pretty balanced overall, but the guy clearly likes Adam’s voice, lol.

Llamakhan

But don’t you see how over the top and stupid that statement sounds? Touched by the hand of God? The spirit of Freddie Mercury? Some see it as a compliment, but others find it laughable and stupid. I would never want my favorite singer to be described that way, I’d be embarrassed for that person.

et

You just don’t *get it.*

(Hee)

Llamakhan

Well I’m not a classically trained singer and I don’t Adam’s voice to be remarkable at all, so my opinion is just laughable anyway!

marissa

I assumed he was using intentional hyperbole? I doubt he actually believes that Adam has been touched by god or blessed by the spirit of Freddie Mercury, lol–it’s just his writing style. He’s a music reviewer–he seems to think Adam’s awesome, but he’s hardly some dopey fan.

Llamakhan

Why would he use intentional hyperbole unless he was mocking him or his fans?
deeess

But why in the case of the Inquierer review are we supposed to respect that he’s a “music reviewer” and “not some dopey fan,” but in the case of the WaPo reviewer, the commentators just dismiss him as an obvious hack and someone with a “bias”?

Why is it that a negative reviewer (even one who some readers see as over-the-top negative) is clearly “biased” and a crappy journalist, while a positive reviewer (even one who some readers see as over-the-top positive) is clearly not a “dopey fan” (aka, is apparently unbiased) and is a valid professional?
erinnthered

deeess, Marissa has agreed that they are both professional reviewers and entitled to their opinions. Several times. Don’t get her mixed up with the people in the WaPo comment section.

Lol. What a difference a day makes…
marissa

Llama, it’s a literary trope–it’s just a sort of funny way of saying what you think–it’s not meant to mock (although hyperbole can be used that way) and it’s not meant to be exactly literal. He’s just using hyperbole to make his point colorfully.

Basically, if you read the whole review, the guy comes across as pretty balanced–he seems to think Adam’s voice is really amazing, but he doesn’t have an Adam shrine set up in his room or anything, lol.
marissa

and as erin said, deeess, I think the WP review was totally valid and the reviewer had every right to his opinion–he wasn’t a hack at all, just someone with a different opinion, and the people attacking him for it were being idiots. I think that both he and this reviewer have totally valid opinions, just one likes Adam and one doesn’t. Both are valid viewpoints.

Pandora

Freedom of speech is perfectly OK! As long as every bit of the speech has been submitted to the Glambert Council in advance for reviewing and editing before sharing with the world at large.

Salleyanne

Hahahahahahahaha!
et

Freedom of speech clause #425 can only be enacted after said speech has been Hive-stamped for accuracy, you know.
CayKat

Glam Council and Hive Stapms! you guys are killing me!!

CayKat

*Stamps

Blue Eyes

The Glam Council Supreme Court. The keepers of the Hive stamp.

Dickory Dock

What do you think the confirmation hearings of The Glam Council Supreme Court nominees look like?

They probably make glittery campaign posters and puffy paint t-shirts (no stylish Vote For Pedro shirts for them!) for their faves. Then they grill them about:

1. How often do you post at AO/PF?
2. Your best shit-stirring moments at MJ’s?
3. Proof of follow through on google alerts for negative reviews?
4. Pre-Adam gay rights advocacy?
5. Post-Adam gay rights advocacy?
6. What is your Glambert Number? Is it a low one?
7. Have you ever said or hinted at being able to tolerate, even the tiniest little bit, Kroll Aislinn?
8. Can you recite, from memory, the journey of WWFM on every chart?
Pandora

9. Which chart is most important: the US, Canada, or Liechtenstein?
10. How many black eyeliners do you own?
11. Is the number of FYE CDs you own in triple digits yet?
et

*Pictures Hive Army standing lined up reciting Hive Pledge*
Blue Eyes

12. Do you solemnly swear to honor and protect the Glambulge? This is the most important and sacred aspect of the Glambert world. MUST HONOR THE BULGE!

(Sorry, TI, I couldn’t resist.)
musicfan

The Hive Pledge:

We pledge allegiance to the glittery flag,
Of the International Hive of Glamnation.
And to the Rawk Gawd,
For whom we live.
One mind, under Adam
With The Glambulge and eyeliner for all.

(Sorry from me to, TI. It just fit so well. I promise not to use that word anymore.)
Blue Eyes

Dying of laughter!
jukejoint

You GUYS! It’s not “black eyeliner.” It’s black COLOR liner. How many times do you have to be told? You have bespoiled the Sacred Oath!!!!!111!!!!!

Plus there are a few more questions I will need answered.

13. How many email addresses do you have access to and how willing are you to use them to register at newspaper and magazine sites if the BSC symbol is activated?
14. How much money have you given when your Most High and Exquisite Lord requested it? (Please attach receipts.)
15. How many bisexual, gay or lesbian children/brothers/sisters, etc. do you have? If none, are you willing to “create” some?
16. Do you have any resources, such as the FBI, City Hall, lawlers, Department of Homeland Security or any other connections which might be useful to your glittery sistern in the Glamment? If none, are you willing to “acquire” such connections?
17. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the fanclub of any other “Idol”? If yes, have you disavowed your afiliation with said fanclub and are you willing to take a polygraph to show that your loyalty to the One True Idol reigns supreme?
alicat10025

stop making me laugh out loud – the people who sit near me at work think I’ve completely lost my mind at this point…
Dickory Dock

18. Do you not only own, but also wear, any of the following:
a) feather boa
b) fingerless black pleather gloves
c) jewelery with an eye of Horace motif
d) sequined tube top
e) sparkly trousers
f) Glammer Pants
g) Pimped out crocs
Please present photographic and/or video evidence to support your claims.

19. How skilled are you at grandiloquent rhetorical hyperbole?
songkat7

20. Have you written your own thought-provoking book explaining the non-fictional account of a rigged Idol competition? And if so, have you promoted it to its fullest measure?
Blue Eyes

I’m picturing what The Glam Council Supreme Court would look like…scary looking women in their bedazzled black robes and black fingerless gloves sitting around in a circle, like a coven, with a statue of Adam in the middle.
Pandora

What is the image that appears in the sky when a meeting is called? A giant fingerless glove?
Kate123

Seriously, the glamb***e stuff kills me.

In my mind, a camel tail is just as embarrassing and unflattering as a camel toe.

et

You guys are killing me. Ha!!

marissa

Basically, I do think this blog has some issues in that the mockery of crazy fans can spill over into a kind of strangely intense antipathy towards Adam (or at least that’s how it appears), and issues with other things, but I was being too intense about expressing my thoughts.

So, sorry about that. And it doesn’t matter anyway, what people say on the internet. As Erin said, let’s just talk about music.

caspar

Actually, this blog isn’t really about discussing music. If you look at the subtitle of the blog up there, it’s about ‘pop culture snobbery’ first and foremost. Also, ‘historically’, it started to gain viewers when it kind of attracted some of the Idoltard and VFTW/Point and Laugh fans, when those sites disappeared/changed.

We like watching tard craziness. Adam Lambert has THE craziest tards out there, ergo, he and his tards are the frequent subject here. And when they show up here to argue (as they always , ehem, do), it just reinforces our impression.

Trish

Seriously, this blog provides a very important public service, even for folks who don’t normally gravitate to “tard expose blogs.” Admittedly I don’t visit here nearly as much as I once did because they’re actually is *too much* tarding for certain former Idols for my tastes, but I can always count on TI to have a lively thread available when I get enraged by the sh*t that goes on on other sites (mostly Adam-related), particularly MJs and the comments threads of various newspapers.

This latest Adam Loonitard Meltdown particularly pisses me off because they’re are idiots impugning NPR — one of the few (only?) news organizations that has actually EXPANDED its arts coverage over the last decade — because Chris Richards may have, you know, once or twice APPEARED on NPR as a commentator.

These Adam obsessives clearly never cared about music or music criticism *before* their glittery space god/alien/Liza Minelli clone landed on this f*cked up planet.

Trish

That should read: “there actually is *too much* tarding ”
and “there are idiots impugning NPR.” (Need to take a couple of Advil before I post about Adam fans!)

And I meant the craziness was Adam-related, not the blogs themselves.

CayKat

Trish – don’t let it make you angry – laughing at the lunacy is much healthier and makes you feel better! I am trying to do more of it b/c this shit usually pisses me off.

marissa

lol, dude, no blog that devotes this much time to American Idol, in any shape or form, or to following its crazy fans so obsessively, can possibly be about pop culture snobbery. It’s an idol blog.

erinnthered

You an be both. Personally, I’d rather get along than argue over semantics of what this blog is supposed to be.

Piffaro and Baltimore Consort are two really good groups that do Early Music. They’ve both done a wide range, so there’s a lot to choose from. There was a CD out a few years ago by a group called Red Priest that’s good too. Also, The Restoration movie soundtrack has a good collection of Purcell.

In terms of the viol, I really like Hill Perle’s St-Columbe CD, but Naxos has some really good – and super cheap – CDs of Marin Marais and St-Columbe. The All the Mornings of the World (Tous le Matin du Monde) movie soundtrack is great too.

It’s also worth checking out Edgar Meyer’s transcription of Bach’s cello suites for Double Bass. One of my favorite classical CDs ever.

marissa

Thank you so much, erin!

marissa

lol, dude, no blog that devotes this much time to American Idol, in any shape or form, or to following its crazy fans so obsessively, can possibly be about pop culture snobbery because there’s no snobbery to be had.

It’s an idol blog. Or at least, that’s how it’s seen.

et

Wow, talk down your nose more to TI, lol.

saskin

Basically, I do think this blog has some issues in that the mockery of crazy fans can spill over into a kind of strangely intense antipathy towards Adam (or at least that’s how it appears)

If you read the non-Lambert related threads and comments you’ll also notice that there is an intense antipathy towards Miley Cyrus/ Justin Beiber etc. So maybe they just don’t like the type of music Lambert/Cyrus/Beiber makes or their voices, their singing, their shows, their approach, their personality… etc? Maybe they also don’t like when Lambert’s fans start acting like not liking him is a sin. Just speculating…

erinnthered

Sorry, but I agree with Marissa there. I would say a lot of people – me included – have openly said that Adam’s fans’ behavior has effected our view of Adam himself. Whether or not there is antipathy for others as well is irrelevant to her statement.

I really feel like Marissa has tried to meet us halfway, and I’m kind of disturbed that people are still going after her this way. It’s not any one fan’s fault that a bunch of the others are crazy. It’s one thing to want the fans to understand how we feel about the behavior. It’s another to begin to blame them for the behavior of others. Just sayin’

alicat10025

I have no problem with Adam’s sane fans- for example, Lauren who is here all the time is pretty normal and not over the top crazy and I have no problems with her. My problem is with the BSC fans like the ones who refuse to accept that a journalist like Chris Richards doesn’t love everything about Adam Lambert. It’s unfortunate that these are the same fans that flood comments sections on all Adam Lambert articles that are even slightly negative and berate the people who don’t adore Adam. They are also the ones who spend their time specifically looking up Kris articles and go on and on about how he’s horrible and shouldn’t have won Season 8 of American Idol, a season that ended over a year ago.

I’m not a fan of Adam’s music, but it doesn’t mean that I hate him or wish horrible things for him. There is obviously a market for his music and style based on the fact that his CD is selling well and his tour is doing well. I’m just sick of the BSC fans who feel the need to shove Adam Lambert and all he does down my throat and who decide that every time someone doesn’t like Adam it’s because of homophobia. Sorry, but it isn’t only about homophobia and I would say that for most people, his personal life is not the issue – I could care less who he lives with, sleeps with or spends his time with. If Kris was an openly gay man but was still putting out the music he does now, I would still be a fan. If Adam was the most stright-laced, completely straigh guy with a wife and 2 kids singing the music he does now, I still wouldn’t like the style or be overly interested in it. Callling me homophobic simply because I don’t like Adam’s music is as narrow-minded of his fans as they think I supposedly am about him.

erinnthered

I 100% agree with your post, alicat10025. I’ve said as much in this very thread. What I’m saying is that this does not apply to Marissa’s most recent behavior.

She’s acknowledged she got heated, and took things maybe a bit more personally than she needed to. She’s willing to meet us on common ground – other music and things. She never questioned Chris Richard’s as a journalist.

It’s just starting to seem like people are taking the BSC behavior out on her, instead of trying to make her understand why we are sick of the BSC.

jukejoint

Marissa, I have a personal favor to ask. Could you please stop overusing the smilies? It makes your often quite ill-humored posts seem passive agressive and dishonest. See how I did that? I said something snotty and peppered it with smilies and it makes it clear I’m only tossing in all those smilies as a transparent ploy to seem like a nice person who is only here to share some chart news with Lauren in a place it doesn’t belong or to repeat ad infintitum the term “Krisbert” when you have been told time and time that the Kris fans who are here (of which there are a few, but not a multitude) are offended by that term.

CayKat

ahh JukeJoint. bestill my heart! lol! I LOVE YOU GUYS!
erinnthered

Those smilies were directed at me, and I didn’t find these to passive aggressive. The others, yeah, but not these.

She’s 21, jukejoint. Some young people just type like that.
marissa

Sorry, I didn’t mean them to be passive aggressive. Well, probably a couple of them, lol.

But mostly my friends and I just use lots of smileys when texting and stuff like that, so I’m used to it. These smileys seem smirkier than normal smileys, though.
Peppermint Patty

jukejoint, that was AWESOME.

I’ve seen this “tactic” used again and again on blogs and forums and it annoys the hell out of me. Erin, I admire you for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but I guess I’ve just become cynical after my umpteenth Glambert encounter.

MissMyEm

The problem with Marissa or any poster similar to her, as I see it, is not what they post but how often they do by reiterating the same thing over and over and over and over…..etc. And this seems to be, from what I’ve seen, the norm among people who feel the need to make converts out of anyone who doesn’t worship to the shrine of the Great Glambertini and his Glamruination spectacle.

marissa

My point was more about the overall attitude/reputation of the blog, missmyem. I think everyone here tends to repeat themselves, though my repetitions are probably wordier, lol.

But whatever my point, I promise, I don’t think you have to like Adam. It’s music–we can’t possibly all like the same thing. You’re not homophobic and you don’t have bad taste just because you don’t like Adam. It’s totally fine to have different opinions.

erinnthered

I think you need to see the earlier smilie faced response posted below that I agreed with to understand where I’m coming from. It had already been done, and rightfully so at the time. This was just a pile on, and not one that made sense to me, the person she was responding to.

I’ve been conversing with Marissa for some time in this thread, and I’ve seen the change in her attitude. She’s acknowledged that she may have taken some things the wrong way in the beginning, but at this point, any frustration by her would make complete sense to me. It’s gotten pretty silly.

Understand, this is from a person who has no patience for BSC. Marissa is an Adam fan, not a Glambert.

saffergirl

I don’t get Marissa’s argument that this kristard/ adam hating central. This blog is purely about snark and humour. The reason kris’s awful review and supposed “crazies” weren’t given a thread is because there really wasn’t much craziness going on. There was like 34 comments (compared to over 120 and counting at wp) of which about 22 were from kris fans. Yes, a few were defensive and questioned the writers crediability. And one or two bashed adam but mostly they just defended kris by saying he was sick and stated why they like him so much.
On the other hand adam’s review is hilarious. Never have I read such craziness. From saying things like “very top vocalist in the world, ever”, “consistent talent, more than any performer has had in a long time” and “greatest performer, most unwordly voice that can sing anything” to accusing the writer of homophobia and, worse still, quoting paula, simon and kara to contradict the writers opinion (seriously??). Oh, and also posting videos of the writer performing to show he has no talent and therefore can’t critique adam and constantly bashing the writers intelligence. And let’s face it, the review itself was quite snarky and humorous too (which is a perfect fit for this blog).
We all come here for a laugh. You’re totally missing the beauty of this blog by trying to find some thread of truth in the belief that everyone here hates adam and loves kris.

marissa

Sorry, I was being a little too pissy earlier. Just one of those days. Some of what I was saying about this blog I stand by, but in general I was being too heated.

And yeah, I didn’t necessarily agree with the reviewer, but I totally enjoyed his writing style.
musicfan

Exactly, saffergirl. Every fanbase (Idol or not) is going to have a few crazies. It’s the nature of the beast. The difference is that the Glamberts are so over the top in their craziness that they have a few sane fans instead of a few crazies. Which makes it easy to find lots of things to snark on.

Marissa, I’m a Cook fan. I’ve seen some Cooktards say and do things that have made me cringe and/or laugh my ass off. I don’t get upset when people snark on them. I don’t try to defend him when people are making fun of them. (For that matter, I don’t try to defend him when people are making fun of him. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone is as entitled to theirs as I am to mine, and I am mature enough to realize that nothing I said would change anyone’s mind.) If crazy fans post insane stuff about him, I’ll snark at them right along with everyone else.

This post isn’t about Adam or his performance, or even the review of his performance. It’s about BSC fans who can’t let go and who feel the need to defend and attack (to a ridiculous level) someone who posted an unfavorable review. I didn’t see the review of Kris you mention, but it sounds like there were a few crazy comments. That happens in the comments section of almost any article/review. It’s the number and sheer insanity of the comments on this review that make it post-worthy. In my opinion, of course.

nonna-muss

Well said Musicfan. I’m a Cook fan too and have seen some crazy, crazy shit perpetrated by the OTT tards. It doesn’t bother me either when Cooktards are poked or when he’s called Baldy, etc. He’s a big boy. I’m not his mommy. I like his voice. And if I see craziness going on at his shows or on any boards I’ll be the first to point and mock. Doesn’t mean I like him any less or I’m pointing and mocking him (although I do when he pulls a dumbass move).

StayPeaceful

Freedom of speech is immensely important to each and every American there is. It would benefit further by having non-judgment and human-kindness added to the
mix. Comments (written by the majority) seem highly judgmental, inflamatory and quite unkind. Would we
speak these words outloud in front of the individuals? Having more human-kindness for ourselves and then for others would be such a nice change, rather than “the venom” that is so prevalent.

CayKat

Dear StayPeaceful,

To your question: “Would we speak these words outloud in front of the individuals?”

The answer is yes. Yes I would simply b/c I can say how I feel at anytime and anywhere I feel like. If I think you have done or said something that is downright insane or stupid, it is likely that I will tell you so… to your face. Think what you will of me. I’m okay with that.

I agree that, human kindness is important, and we should all strive to be good to each other but, does this mean I should sugarcoat, lie or hold back on saying what I think?

jukejoint

You, CayKat, must be charming and kind and not say anything which might in any way be construed as mean, but anyone carrying a Glambert card is not so constrained. It’s in the rulebook.

I was just reading an article somewhere about how somebody is blaming reality TV in general (with The Apprentice at the top of the list) for a rise in confrontations and lack of civility in the U.S. I think that’s pretty silly. (Not a big Apprentice fan, though.) I suppose reality TV provides an example in back-biting and meanness, but so do soap operas and tabloids. And yes, the internet has cloaked a lot of anger and a lot of craziness in anonymity, making it easier to say outrageous things, or maybe making the dissemination of all that venom easier to accomplish (hello, Matt Drudge and Perez Hilton), but it’s always been there, back to people printing and passing out booklets calling Marie Antoinette a ho-bag, or the Puritans burning “witches” at the stake, or Joe McCarthy rooting out “Communists” or Hitler deciding that only white German Christians should live. And those are just the obvious, big-time cases. Feuds, wars, spats, revolutions, gossip, hate, jealousy, greed, aggression, pettiness… Who could possibly think that just started a few years ago? Maybe it’s worse to hide anger and prejudice behind polite words that don’t mean anything or to allow only one state-run opinion to see the light of day.

To paraphrase “Animal Farm,” I guess the rulebook says that all opinions are equal, but some opinions are more equal than others?

CayKat

so well said! *applause* seriously!

parsenip

StayPeaceful – are you making a statement about the comments directed at Chris Richards? It’s not entirely clear.

erinnthered

I finally read it. That’s what all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is over? It wasn’t even that bad. He made some very good points too.

It’s been more than a year. Get a life, or least stop caring what anyone else thinks. I don’t see a thing in that review that criciticizes anyone for liking Adam, and I have seen reviews like that. Seriously, if you love him then good for you. Go love him and SHUT THE HELL UP TO THE REST OF US!

If Adam ever does find himself, let me know. I think I’d probably really enjoy what he puts out then.
Trish

Since when is Chris Richards with NPR? He appears nowhere on their site:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6000&typeId=1#R

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Jesus. They’re still at it!

I was looking for a professional review of last night’s concert, and was astounded when I read Cris Richard’s write-up. Is he a professional? He is writing for the Washington Post, not just a private blog, so I assume we are to take him seriously?

I attended the concert, front balcony, and had an excellent view of the audience. I was interested in reactions to Lambert’s music, so spoke to people in line before the concert, as well as after, as we left the venue. The sound system last night was not the best, although, in my opinion, not as unbalanced as at the Goldfrapp concert which I attended last week at the 9:30 Club.

In my opinion, Richards inaccurately described the audience and their reactions. Also, it would appear that he did not research Lambert before hand. Choosing one example out of many, he didn’t know the background of “Ring of Fire”, which was deliberately camp, exposed a cultural divide during American Idol, made many people Lambert fans forever, and others… well, not.

Also, Richards does not have the musical knowledge required to critique a classically trained, highly accomplished voice like Lambert’s. His “caterwauling”, as Richards described it, was thrilling to those of us with voice training who recognize passion combined with great vocal technique, including controlled vibrato on his highest notes.

OK, it’s a matter of taste as to whether one prefers Lambert or Bob Dylan’s voices (I enjoy both), but Chris Richard’s should not be reviewing a genre he doesn’t understand, and given his bias and snark, he should not be representing the Washington Post as a professional music critic.

I do hope that the Washington Post publishes an apology, explanation, retraction or something! This matters because Adam’s path in the U.S. is already difficult, given his sexuality. I’ve met many people who won’t even listen to Adam’s music because he is gay. I don’t want casual readers who have never heard of Adam Lambert and who don’t read comments, to assume that this review was written by a professional, unbiased reviewer for one of our premier newspapers.

J

I don’t get it and I’m pretty sure I never will. How does having voice training have anything to do with liking or not liking a singer’s voice? I could go back to school for a second degree in music and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference as to which tone I enjoy and which I hate. Enjoying music or any form of art is not something learned it is something you are born with.

Liking or disliking certain genres can be a learned thing. I’ve got a soft spot for the old standards because I grew up with a mom who was into Sinatra. I also love a good classic rock song because that is the era of my youth. Even within the genres I like, there are singers who have a certain tone or pitch or whatever you want to call it that makes me feel like a horde of insects has invaded my ears. Having knowledge of the technicalities of music will not change that fact.

I don’t care if Adam is pitch perfect, always in the correct key. When he starts to belt out a song I start to cringe. I don’t mind his voice at all when he doesn’t go for the over the top glory notes. I hear Whattaya Want From Me on the radio all the time and I like it.

erinnthered

They’re worse than Scientologists at this point. I hope Anonymous starts picketing Adam’s shows, just to annoy them. The rick rolls and Looong cat cakes would be glorious and glittery. hehe

marissa

Anyway, as balance for the negative review with crazy comments, here’s a positive review with (I haven’t looked, but I’m assuming) non-crazy comments:

It’s from the Philadelphia Inquirer, which is a pretty big paper, so that’s cool.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20100628__Glambert__fans_hear_an_angel_at_Borgata.html

“By A.D. Amorosi
For The Inquirer
For all the controversy surrounding American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert, you can’t say he doesn’t have the splashy goods to back up his public dramas.

Announcing to the world he was gay in a Rolling Stone interview was cool. Lambert hinted as much throughout Idol’s eighth season (during which he lost to Kris Allen), so coming out of the closet was but a modest coda. Sucking face with one of his boy band members on the American Music Awards seemed uncool, but only because it came across as so contrived and forced, a calculated shot at Madonna-like notoriety.

He lost a couple of television gigs after those awards. Who cares? His voice is that of an angel with a powerful and dynamic range, a tenor with a glass-cracking falsetto touched by the hand of God and blessed by the spirit of Freddie Mercury. That’s what brought “Glamberts” out to the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa in Atlantic City on Saturday night. That, and the costume changes, which ran from steampunk circus ringmaster to leathery lizard king.

The most noticeable thing about Lambert’s live presentation was how much more electric he was on stage than throughout his 2009 album For Your Entertainment.

From a musical standpoint, the blipping techno of “Voodoo” and “Down the Rabbit Hole” borrowed liberally from Depeche Mode’s thick synthesizer sound. That density gave Lambert something other than fluff to stand on as his voice leaped easily from moody lows to sweet high notes. Lambert yodeled throughout the snake-charming swirl of “Ring of Fire” (the Johnny Cash chestnut) and made tuneful panting into an art form during the lusty power ballad “Sleepwalker.”

Better still were the stripped-down instrumentation of “Whataya Want From Me” and the piano-filled, Sondheim-like “Soaked,” which gave Lambert room to breathe and provided grand cabaret of the highest order…”

Thought Lauren and others might like that.

marissa

Hmmm–i don’t know how to quote on this thing.

last try:

His voice is that of an angel with a powerful and dynamic range, a tenor with a glass-cracking falsetto touched by the hand of God and blessed by the spirit of Freddie Mercury.

deeess

Marissa, what the eff is the matter with you?

You brought up some other Kris Allen review that Kris fans supposedly swarmed (I don’t know about this — I didn’t see that rreview) but you said yourself that the REVIEWER comapared Kris and Adam, so it make a little more sense that commentators would mention Adam too.

In the WaPo review, the reviewer never uttered Kris’ name, so why the hell did some commentators throw him in?

As for the “reputation” of this blog as “Adam-hating” or whatever, who cares what the “reputation” is? People who like it read it. The end.

And why are you so hell-bent on making sure everyone knows Adam got positive reviews as well as negative? Why does it matter to you?

And I have my own thoughts about Adam live, having just seen him myself last week.

Lauren

This review made me really happy. I am seeing the show tomorrow (today actually)! Marissa, have you seen Glamnation?

marissa

Have fun, Lauren!

No, I’m seeing it at one of the CA shows in late July. So excited for it!

Hope you have an awesome time.
erinnthered

Have fun, Lauren! I hope he puts on a good one for you. I hope Longineau is still tossing out those drumsticks. If you can’t catch one, hit the stage or the sound booth really quickly and beg for a set list. Teenage girls going after them are pretty rare, so you have a good shot!

erinnthered

Announcing to the world he was gay in a Rolling Stone interview was cool.

This one lost me right there. Cool? Maybe in 1997.

What’s passing for music journalism these days is sad. I’m not saying it’s wrong that this reviewer liked the show, just that this person is talking out of their ass to justify it. That instantly causes a serious loss in credibility for me. I don’t understand why people who like shows like this feel the need to make out like something is more than it is. Just like the show and say why, and stop trying to look cooler than you are.

marissa

…What? He was just giving a little background on Adam. He said he thought the RS interview was cool and the AMAs weren’t. And I mean…officially “coming out” before your first major label album drops seems pretty cool to me, so I think that’s okay to admire that.

But the review itself is about the show, if you read past the first background paragraph, lol–he talks about why he likes the show and the music and Adam’s voice/performance style. He’s not trying to justify anything, just giving his opinion.

Kate123

Wow! That’s great Did you know that ‘If I Had You’ is #36 in Sierra Leone?

I just want everyone to know that it’s okay if you don’t like Adam. Have I mentioned that I don’t like Kris? Also, is everyone aware that this blog has a bad reputation? I’m very concerned about this.

Let’s all be friends Mmmkay?

Kate123
marissa

…What?

I didn’t fake concern, I was just saying why the blog has that reputation. I don’t like Kris musically from what I’ve heard, he seems like a nice guy overall as a person, and it’s totally fine to like him and not like Adam, just like it’s totally fine to like Adam and not like him.

I don’t know how IIHY is doing in Sierra Leone, lol.

It is in the top 40 on pop though, which makes it a 2nd top 40 hit, which is apparently pretty rare for people off idol, so that’s cool (and hopefully it’ll continue to do well), and probably matters more than his sales figures in Africa.
erinnthered

What she said.
erinnthered

I meant Kate123, btw.
marissa

Also, considering that most of the people on this blog are probably old enough to be my mom, that’s not a very mature response.
Kate123

I seriously doubt I could be your mom unless you are under the age of 5 seeing as I’m not even 20 yet. And I have no trouble offering proof, seeing as this claim seems to be made falsely all the time.
marissa

Never mind, then. I’m actually a bit older than you–I’m 21.

The point generally stands, though.
CayKat

Marissa – old enough to be your mom?!! puhleeease honey!

hahaa! I guess I should be more offended by the immaturity jab shouldn’t I?

erinnthered

Lol. Don’t assume we’re all old bitties. If I may ask, how old are you?

I mean, the”Oh, just grow up!” response ranks up there with “I know you are, but what am I?” in terms of old classics. You seem awfully intent on defending a man who doesn’t really need defending. I’m pretty sure Adam can take care of himself. Let him.

How about a slight change of topic? What other kinds of music do you like, Marissa? Maybe we can find some common ground there.

marissa

You may indeed, lol–I’m 21.

And I’m not intent on defending Adam, at least not any more than you guys are intent on attacking him–it was a comment about the overall attitude and reputation of the blog.

But yeah, as much as I can get heated/wordy on the internet, it’s not like I think you guys are omgsuchterriblepeople or anything.

So, I’m sure we could find some common ground. Man, that’s a tough question. I’d have to think more carefully about overall favorites when I’m less tired (I should really be going to bed, lol), but in the last couple hours I’ve listened to TV on the Radio, Wilco, Lady Gaga, M. Ward, Why?, and Sweeney Todd. I love most of those, though M. Ward I’m not sure about yet. And I know Sweeney Todd is a musical, and I don’t generally love musicals, but that is some of the most brilliant music ever written, I kid you not.

Anyway, w/e, even if I disagree with you guys it’s not like it affects anyone in the real world, so I shall cease and desist and go to bed. But what music do you like, erin?
marissa

And I also listened to some Gregorian chanting earlier while I was studying. Seriously, Gregorian chanting is awesome.
erinnthered

You know, I’m just going to keep repeating this. Attacking Glamberts =/= Attacking Adam. They are two totally different things. This place attacks Glamberts. Some people may criticize Adam, but we don’t attack him.

You have very nice taste in music. I really do mean it when I say I have nothing against Adam’s music or those who like it. Just against those who want to shove it down my throat. Whadda’ya Want From Me is a jam, and I like Sleepwalker too…and another one I can’t remember the name of. Sorry.

I like She and Him a lot more than M Ward solo. I saw him live too, and wasn’t that impressed. I have friends who thought he was amazing, though. I do love TV on the Radio. Both their albums were stellar, and they’re great live. I’m totally becoming a GaGa tard (yeah, I said it!). Wilco is one I’m 50/50 over. I blame that more on this girl I used to know who dated the bass player. I wasn’t too fond of her, and it’s sort of transferred to the band for me.

Do you like Pete Yorn? He did an album last year with Scarlett Johansen (yes, that one) that was really good. It’s called Revelator.

I’m loving the new Black Keys and the new National. I mentioned them in that other post. There’s a reason people are going nuts over them. Sleigh Bells too. They’re on MIA’s new imprint. I’m still loving the new Frightened Rabbit, and I recently got into Mumford and Sons. Edward Sharpe and last year’s Avett Brothers album are still on replay too.

btw, I’m 33. Just old enough to be your very, very young aunt.
erinnthered

Oh, I love chants! I love medieval and early music period. Especially the viole. Good stuff.
marissa

I do get that. And I think on some things we can just agree to disagree, which is fine.

And I believe you, and (I hope this is clear, but just to repeat it) it’s totally fine that Adam’s music is generally not your thing–again, we all have different preferences in music. It’s funny, WWFM isn’t really one of my favorites, though it’s grown on me.

I desperately want to see TV on the Radio live. I’ve looked up all the live performances I can find on youtube, and one day I will make it to an actual concert, lol.

Yeah, that Gaga thing is funny. For so long she was just the girl in bubbles to me, and then I heard Poker Face and liked it, and Bad Romance and liked it, and finally liked enough of her songs to download her album(s), and now I really have ridiculous amounts of love for some of those songs, especially Teeth (followed by Monster and Speechless). She’s really great. I think my love was clinched when I realized she actually has a fantastic voice.

I’ll have to check out She and Him, and the Pete Yorn/Scarlett Johansson album. And also the other bands you mention, lol. You have really good taste in music, and thanks for the recommendations!

Yay, another person who loves chants! Do you have any recommendations in that area, either for chants or just medieval and early music in general? I’d love to get more of that, but I’m not knowledgeable enough about it to really know where to look.

You’d be a cool (and yeah, super-young) aunt.

Sorry, I was being a little too pissy earlier. Just one of those days. Some of what I was saying I stand by, but in general I was being too heated. Talking about music in general is much better than arguing about stuff that doesn’t matter.

Thanks again for the recs.
CayKat

Erin – The Black Keys!!! woot! Love them. They are opening at many Kings of Leon shows this year. Very bummed that I probably won’t catch any of them.

jeydawg

LOL good god, seriously? This kind of crap is EXACTLY why I have no sympathy for Glamberts who claim their reputation is undeserved. Who in their right mind thinks that calling for a reviewer’s termination is in any way an appropriate response to a bad review? It’s like they’re incapable of being anything other than frothing at the mouth. Especially considering there was nothing in that review homophobic. They also seem to miss the entire POINT of someone HAVING an opinion. Why does anyone who comments on reviews, regardless of who they’re a fan of, fail to realize that YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR OPINION BY TELLING THEM THEY’RE WRONG? Complaining about someone else’s opinion, especially when said opinion is not offensive or otherwise derogatory, is crazy and pointless.

It’s a good thing Glamberts have so much money because it’s the only compensation for the fact that most of them are freaking insane. IN MY OPINION, of course.

ophelia64

Personally, if someone tells me my opinion is wrong, especially if he or she insults me in the process of maligning my opinion, I have a tendency to hold on to that opinion all the more. Browbeating will generally only create more of the opposite feelings that the opinion-holder held before. So, I guess my point is that none of the Glambert spewing is changing anyone’s opinion, and none of the snarking we do is changing any Glamberts’ opinion. Athough, changing someone’s opinion was never on my agenda, nor do I think it’s on many people’s agendas who post on this blog. In my opinion, of course. Wow, that’s a lot of “opinions” right there.
BettyBlue

Hey, everybody is entitled to his own opinion … as long as it agrees with the glamberts, of course.

marissa

Also, even if I didn’t agree with his opinion, I still thought his writing style was pretty funny.

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Last week, I did not have time to post much. But my main point is always this — Kris Allen fans/Kristards, whomever they are, do not go to Lambert entries and post negative things about him. There was no reason for commenters to start throwing an unrelated party into their lashings at the author.

And I had to post that second one because I could not believe (well, yes I could) how ridiculous some of these women were asking. Threatening to cancel their subscription? Asking for a RETRACTION?

marissa

That review was a couple weeks ago, not last week.

Huh? The comments in that article had tons of people going “HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE KRIS AND LIKE ADAM BETTER KRIS ALLEN IS INCREDIBLE AND ADAM LAMBERT IS A SUCKY GAY WHO CAN’T EVEN SING.” And that sort of thing. They were bringing Adam into it. I guess the author gave them a window, but still, that’s what they were doing.

And plenty of the comments on this article you (correctly) identify as crazy have nothing to do with Kris. They’re just people saying that his review is stupid and his opinion is invalid and he doesn’t know good music or he’s biased.

Which is exactly what a lot of krisbert comments were saying in that other review. But those comments were never mentioned negatively or mocked. They were even defended, IIRC, because that guy was “such a douche.”

So, again, that’s why this blog has a Krisbert/Adam-hating reputation. It seems to spend lots of time on glambert craziness and ignore krisbert craziness like that other review .

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Please don’t come here and try to start trouble. Check how many posts I’ve done in the past several weeks. I’ve been busy. Also, when that was brought up in the comments, I do believe I told people to tone it down. That guy’s review caused trouble because he compared the two from the start. One should not ever compare them. They’re apples and oranges. Personally, I think he was asking for it by prefacing a review of a Kris Allen show by saying how he did not think he should have won. Chris Richards never mentioned Kris Allen. I do not think anyone should compare the two guys EVER, even if they’re playing the same show (I’ve actually only seen both of them when they were both playing a particular show.) because the competition ended a long, long time ago. I’ve said it before and I’ve said it again — both of them won. They both deserved it. They went on the show for record contracts, not the title of American Idol. I think they’re both doing just fine. But no matter how many times I say these things or even compliment Lambert, I’m still evil. Just b/c I think a great number of his fans are crazy, I don’t dislike the guy whatsoever. I think they are doing severe, irreparable damage to his career.

I chronicle the Glambert craziness just as I said below, but I’ll be more specific. It’s that anyone who does not believe he is the greatest thing ever is WRONG. Its brandishing people as homophobes and not considering the seriousness of such allegations. Its calling anyone who says they don’t care for him a Kris Allen fan because hell, if you like one you just CANNOT like the other (and as if this is an insult or something). People are entitled to their opinions. I’ve listened to If I Had You three times on my iPod today, repeating it 2x in a row at one time on my way to work. I love that song.

marissa

No, I get that they’re being crazy. They totally are. But honestly, anyone who looks at this blog without bias can see that glambert craziness gets discussed ad nauseam and krisbert craziness gets ignored. Telling people to tone it down a bit and saying that the guy totally brought it on himself for even daring to compare Kris unfavorably to Adam in the first place is hardly the same as devoting two whole entries to this glambert craziness.

Everything you mention from the glamberts is crazy. It’s stupid–I don’t agree with this review, but it’s his opinion, he’s not homophobic, he just doesn’t like the music. That’s 100% fine. And people are stupid for attacking him.

The Krisbert/Adam-hating reputation comes from the fact that only this craziness is talked about, and it’s talked about all the time–the krisbert craziness, like viciously attacking that guy just because he gave Kris a negative review and mentioned Adam positively, is ignored.
marissa

I’m curious too, how is it hurting his career? People only really know about this stuff inside the idol bubble, not in the real world. There have been some DJs who got (rightfully) pissed off at spamming, like the Z100 DJ. That didn’t stop the Z100 DJs from being really into Adam and even gushing about him and sponsoring a concert and adding IIHY and playing it. It didn’t stop IIHY from getting into the top 40, which is apparently something that is pretty rare for people off idol–the 2nd top 40 single, I mean. It doesn’t stop media coverage of Adam from being really positive in general, or stop him from generally getting good reviews.

Everyone has crazy fans–Bieber and Lady Gaga and pretty much everyone popular has some of that. I haven’t seen it really hurt anyone’s career, and I’m just not seeing where you guys are seeing that with Adam. Honestly, it comes across more like wishful thinking than fact.
marissa

You’re either missing my point or avoiding it.

Everything you’re saying about glambert craziness–accusing people of homophobia, etc.–is true. People who do that are crazy.

My point is that the Krisbert/Adam-hating reputation comes from the fact that only this craziness is talked about, and it’s talked about all the time–the krisbert craziness, like viciously attacking that guy just because he gave Kris a negative review and mentioned Adam positively, is ignored.
http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Viciously attacking? Did they ask for his termination? They were pissed he even brought up Adam Lambert in a review of his show, and frankly, starting out a review like that was pretty fraking lame. Kristard craziness is out there, I’m sure, but I’m the first person to admit its not as entertaining. (I didn’t post craziness on that article, nor did I devote an entire post to #alrightwithmoo.) Why don’t you find me some? Quite often, I post things people send me.

I’m not missing your point, Marissa, but I’m unconvinced you’re not here with the intention to cause trouble. No matter what explanation I give you, you’re not going to accept any of it. I really don’t give a shit about American Idol. I’ve said this a zillion times. This blog is not my job. I post when I have time, or when I find something I can laugh about. It’s why I don’t post every little thing from anyone who was on Idol. I don’t post charts (rarely ever) because I personally do not care. I listen to music if I like it.
Blue Eyes

THe majority of Beiber and Gaga fans are young, not middle-age, crazy menopausal women.
BettyBlue

I’d like to think that I started out liking Adam, but with the actions of the his fans, I can no longer separate the glamberts from the Lambert.
erinnthered

Marissa,

First, for the trillionth time to anyone listening. If you know of “Krisbert” behavior bring it here. We will make fun of it. Guaranteed! (Somehow they never do.)

Second, like many an Adam fan before you, you still can’t seem to tell the difference between Adam hating and Glambert hating. Try actually reading TI’s posts and comments and telling me where she’s shown any hatred towards Adam. Go for it. You won’t find it. You will, on the other hand, find lots of mocking of batshittery, of which the Glamberts are number one offenders right now. The fact that you can’t seem to separate the man from his fans is just another reason you come off like someone looking for trouble.

Third, this place isn’t about puppies and rainbows. No one here cares about the chart numbers, or record sales, or how many washed up rock stars who became physicists who love an Idol contestant. Any Idol contestant. We just want to talk about music and tv, and snark on crazy shit. Stop trying to defend Adam or justify yourself. Just go with the conversation, and if you disagree, say so without coming across passive aggressive or defensive. I know this last one is hard, but it’ll make your time here more enjoyable. Really.

melissa

Okay I’ve been lurking here a while… and I have to ask. What is with this ‘Krisbert’ business?

Glambert… yeah, I get that. But there is no ‘bert’ in Kris’ name, so Krisbert makes no sense to me. In reality, it really comes off as trying to project BSC behaviour the Glamberts are famous for onto Kris’ fans by giving them a similar name.

So if there is another explanation, I’m up to hearing it. Just curious.

ross

Kris’s fans have virtually no rep for being crazy OTT fans. In fact, Lambert’s fans often emply that Kris’s fans aren’t supportive enough, fanatical enough, or numerous enough. You can’t have it both ways.

marissa

ross:

Sorry, this is slightly random, but you said at one point that if Adam hadn’t gone on AI, WWFM would have only sold 800K? That’s incorrect: WWFM was at about 900K and selling like 50K a week, so it would have gone platinum in 2 or 3 weeks regardless–the AI stuff just got it there in 1 week.

That’s purely a factual thing, not a comment on your opinion about whether or not he should have been on it in the first place.

Again, sorry, random.

ross

Sorry if I got the numbers wrong. That was on another thread, where I was arguing with a troll, and the troll already corrected me on that thread. I guess you’re bringing it over here because that thread is locked? Let’s forget it and move on.

marissa

And that’s stupid to take the comment about the crowd having lots of “Young men in raccoon eye-shadow ” as insulting.

People always say that men off idol have trouble getting male audience members, so all the reviews that have mentioned young men being part of the audience should be pleasing, lol.

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

The USA Today review mentioned rainbow lasers, too, yet no one shouted homophobia.

I’ve gone into the Lambert shows I’ve seen WANTING to be blown away. People say I’m biased, but I approach those with a complete open mind. I WANT to be blown away. Richards pointed out many of the things I’ve felt when watching him. I also don’t post these articles to show negativity against the guy. I do it to show the batshit craziness of the fans and how they are doing the OPPOSITE of helping his career.

marissa

…What? I’m not accusing anyone of homophobia, lol, I’m saying that the WP was totally fine and it’s just that guy’s opinion was valid–he doesn’t like Adam, that’s totally fine.

haha, I don’t buy that you have an open mind about Adam, but it’s almost impossible to have an open mind once you’ve formed an opinion about an artist. I don’t think you’re “wrong” or whatever for not liking him, it’s just your opinion. You’re totally entitled to it. No performer, no matter how amazing, will appeal to everyone. I have one friend who practically worship Lady Gaga, for example, and another friend who thinks she’s a boring Madonna retread. It’s totally fine to disagree.

What I was saying is that this blog has a krisbert/Adam-hating reputation because you guys spend so much time on glambert craziness while ignoring or justifying krisbert craziness, and so much time talking about Adam negatively (as a person, especially) in general. That’s all.

And while these fans are stupid, I don’t think they’ve hurt his career at all, not outside of the idol bubble, in the real world. He’s got the first 2nd top 40 hit from an idol person in ages, and in general, people seem to accept that artists have some crazy fans so it doesn’t affect them overall. Like, I remember some Z100 DJ getting upset at crazy people spamming him, but it didn’t stop Z100 from being super into Adam and adding IIHY and playing it a lot.

Blue Eyes

The Krisbert’s don’t come near the craziness of the Glamberts. So what is your point exactly? There’s crazies in EVERY fanbase.
Lauren

Blue Eyes, I kinda think that was her point.

Anyway, I am going to a hotel without free wi-fi tomorrow. I will not be posting for the next two days so don’t have too much fun while I’m gone!
ophelia64

As a fan of several of the idols, but of Kris and his band in particular–they sound the best to me, and I don’t enjoy staged shows much, not even broadway (sorry to all the broadway stans –opinion remember.) I didn’t come here to escape from Adam. I came here to escape the crazies at MJ’s.

I really don’t need a number by number, post by post, crawling report up the i-tunes sales chart of any idol. I don’t give a rat’s furry ass where any Idols song is selling in Izbekistan or where it sits on the charts in Mongolia. I don’t need to be told that my guy is short, balding, strains for notes, sounds “ouch” or needs to stop wearing plaid. Why? So he can be more like Adam, and fail at being Adam, because he is Kris. don’t care if Adam Lambert has SOLD OUT every freaking venue from here to Jupiter. I just want to listen the music I like and be left alone to have an opinion no Glambert could ever possibly understand. I want to listen to Lambert without having to believe that he’s the second coming of Jesus F-ing Christ and to come here and make fun of OTT crazy-assed fans. I believe that very thing that pushed me out of that other blog may have motivated quite of few of TI’s more recent posters. It’s like a war out there, and I needed a slightly snarky, intelligent Switzerland. I don’t sleep well at night after confrontational programming, whether it be my local news or MJ’s Bigblog.
marissa

Ophelia, I think you might be missing my point?

It’s 100% fine to not like Adam. How can one artist appeal to everyone? People have different tastes and preferences in music–it doesn’t make one person right and the other wrong if you like something I don’t, or vice versa. It’s totally cool to not like Adam, the WP guy’s review was totally fair because he just doesn’t like Adam and that’s 100% fine. Okay? I’m most definitely not saying that you should like Adam or that you are deficient in some way if you don’t. No artist in the world could possibly appeal to everyone.

And as awesome as I think Adam is, I’m pretty sure he’s not the single best artist in the world or the second coming of Jesus, lol.

And while Kris isn’t my thing, again, it’s totally cool if he’s yours. Different tastes and all that. It’s not like my friends and I have exactly identical likes or dislikes in music–people differ.

I said nothing about having to like Adam or anything like that, if you read my comments. What I said had nothing to do with liking Adam musically or not.

My point was:

The Krisbert/Adam-hating reputation comes from the fact that only this craziness is talked about, and it’s talked about all the time–the krisbert craziness, like viciously attacking that guy just because he gave Kris a negative review and mentioned Adam positively, is ignored.

See? Nothing in my comments suggested that you had to like Adam or something. It was about something else entirely.
cc

The Krisbert/Adam-hating reputation

I don’t know how many times you need to repeat this phrase but it really makes my eyes twitch. Okay, here’s what I think :

First, as a long time reader here, this blog don’t focus on hating Adam. Oh sure, posters here criticize him but it doesn’t mean we hate him as a person or just for “existing”. As for Glamberts, they are a different story.

And your second point, “Why there are more threads dedicated of Glambert’s craziness than *Kristards’ ?” , well, let’s just say the Glambs are more vocal on expressing their “opinions”. And if you just want to compare the level of batshit craziness between the two fanbase, why don’t you provide the link where Kristards viciously attack the guy who posted a negative review of Kris’s concert. I would really love to see the comments that considered to be “vicious”. Actually, Marissa, why don’t you point us where more Kristards’ craziness can be found. Deal?

*I refuse to acknowledge the term ‘Krisberts’

marissa

The WP was fine. Adam’s voice/style isn’t for him, he explained why–it’s a review. Nothing and no one will get good reviews 100% of the time. And he didn’t seem homophobic at all. People are so stupid sometimes.

Adam’s concert reviews have generally been really good, it’s okay if some aren’t good, lol.

I do think this is why people think this is a krisbert/Adam-hating blog, though. You have two entire entries devoted to this. Remember that reviewer who gave Kris a very negative review and then mentioned Adam positively? His comment sections were filled with Kris fans getting angry at him and telling him that his review was invalid because clearly he was so biased and awful and totally lacking in journalistic integrity and probably just trying to be PC and support the gay guy.

But unless I missed it, there were no journal entries here mocking those comments. I think some people even defended them.

So, that’s the kind of thing that leads to the krisbert/Adam-hating reputation.

Salleyanne

Marissa did you ever think that maybe TI posts the stuff about the Lambert reviews because there are soooooooo many crazy responses to them? Like TI said

I do it to show the batshit craziness of the fans and how they are doing the OPPOSITE of helping his career.

marissa

salleyanne, my point is that the reason this blog is seen as krisbert/adam-hating is because glambert craziness gets discussed all the time and krisbert craziness (like attacking the reviewer who didn’t like Kris) never gets discussed, or even gets excused (like, because he mentioned Adam, he brought in on himself).

And again, I haven’t seen any evidence that crazies have hurt him. No one in the real world cares about having crazy fans, pretty much everyone popular (Gaga, Bieber, etc.) has some crazy fans. I remember a few radio stations getting (rightfully) pissed at the spamming–they still play IIHY. It didn’t hurt him.

erinnthered

You really don’t get the reputation Adam and his fans have? You really have no idea how the music Industry sees him, and them?

They are hurting him.

They’ve been seen as crazy for a while now. He has no reputation at all in the Industry, and his fans have a lot to do with it. He’s just an Idol contestant running out his 15 minutes to them. He has yet to break past the Idol shadow, and won’t as long as he has this Glambert albatross on his shoulders.

The journalists attending these shows are seeing the average age of his fans, seeing their behavior at his shows, and seeing these comments should they dare to criticize The Glittery One, and they’re not having it anymore either. They’re saying what they believe now, and not what they think is “cool” anymore. (Logic states that if they like a show, they would say what they believe in that situation too. Get it?)

Before you ask, yes, I know people who work in the music industry, and the last time anyone made mention of him beyond “that Idol guy” was around the Awards show fiasco. It wasn’t positive – or really anything other than “that was stupid.” Ditto with the radio people and the spamming. Radio doesn’t exist in a bubble, you know. I’ve also been in the journalists pit at an Adam show, and had these conversations.

I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a thousand times, if you like Adam I think that’s excellent, but defending him to those who don’t is not rational or sane in any way. Just like him, and if he does something you think is cool, share it. Just leave his career alone. You don’t know better. Really.

marissa

…Dude, none of that is based in reality. I’m sure you want Adam to be a washed up failure, and it sure may happen, who knows, but he’s doing pretty well right now, seems to have a fair amount of respect in the industry and a good reputation, and will hopefully continue to gain more. Obviously not everyone likes him and that’s totally fine–but what you’re saying seems more like wishful thinking than anything based on fact.

I was worried about the eternal “idol thing” but I stopped being so worried about that once his album started getting good reviews from a number of really awesome/respected music publications, and that lack of worry seems like it was the right way to go.

Also, reviewers seem to comment on how diverse the crowd (including this WP reviewer) is or specifically to mention how many kids and young adults are there, and I haven’t seen one review mention the crowd’s behavior negatively. Again, I think you’re misinterpreting things or you just want to see something that isn’t there.

And Adam’s gotten mostly good concert reviews–it seems like the reviewers who like him say so, and the ones that don’t say so too. Which is how it should be.

Radio doesn’t exist in a bubble, very true–and radio doesn’t seem to have an issue with Adam. He’s apparently the first idol person since Jordin to have a 2nd single get in the top 40 on pop, and one of only a few to do it at all–that’s often key for longevity, apparently. I remember a Z100 DJ (rightfully) complaining about spamming one time and everyone freaking out that maybe Z100 would never play his songs again. Well, they’ve added IIHY and are playing it tons, they sponsored one of his concerts, and they gush about him a fair amount. Everyone who is popular has some crazy fans–they’re not hurting Adam with radio.

And no one outside the idol bubble cares about this stuff. Adam seems to be one of the few idol people who’s actually considered relevant in the real world.

I don’t know, you’re always so intense and adamant about Adam and I just think you’re seeing what you want to see. It’s totally fine to not like Adam (for example, I thought the WP guy’s review was completely reasonable and even funny, and the people attacking him were stupid), but your issues with him are kind of strange.
marissa

I just think you guys are mostly stuck in the idol bubble where everyone knows every detail about the fans and where having some crazy fans is a terrible stigma instead of something that basically every popular performer has to deal with.

In the real world, Adam seems to be generally viewed as a new, talented (gay) artist. Good start in terms of respect, and hopefully he’ll expand on that further.

And yeah, the spamming is stupid–it hasn’t hurt him, it seems, but it’s dumb. I go to school in New York and live in LA, so the most I’ll do is text a request to Z100 or KIIS now and then.

And again, the WP guy’s review was totally valid. It was his opinion.

Just like the Philadelphia Inquirer guy’s review was totally valid. It was his opinion.

Adam’s gotten generally good reviews, for his album and now his tour. People are stupid to get worked up over the odd negative review, when they’re generally good, and most especially because good or bad, reviewers are just stating their opinions.

But yeah, idol bubble. Most of you guys are so deep in it. I’d never watched Idol before Adam and I didn’t really watch it with him–just youtubed his performances once I discovered him. Looking in from the real world, the idol bubble is a strange place. You should get out of it–it’s still okay to dislike Adam in the real world too, lol.

muzikizmi

There is no such creature as a ‘Krisbert’. ‘Bert’ is part of Adam’s name, and has nothing to do with Kris.

marissa

I’ve also seen the term “Kristards” but I don’t like using “tard.” I have a friend whose younger brother is retarded, and using tard or retarded isn’t coo.

erinnthered

Dude, none of that is based in reality.

Keep believing what ever you want, but for those of us who actually live in and around this stuff, we can see the truth. Enjoy that “bubble” you are so fond of.

I notice again you can’t seem to separate the Adam hate from the Glambert hate. Acknowledging that his fans are hurting him does not mean someone wants Adam to fall into the void. I’d love it if he were more true to himself, and cut the fake rocker act. In that way, I probably want him to succeed more than you ever will.

marissa

I just don’t see any evidence in the real world for what you’re saying. Like, point to radio or media coverage or anything tangible that suggests that fans have hurt him–and secret “industry contacts” don’t count since we all know how reliable those are, lol.

And I do separate hate for Adam from hate towards his fans, and the crazier ones are, well, really crazy and in some cases disgusting.

But this blog is the one that seems unable to separate those two things–you guys go from hating the fans into disliking or even hating Adam, and then try to pretend you don’t.

I do think Adam is true to himself, which I think is one reason that he is successful/respected. I think he’s still developing and forming himself as an artist of course, but he knows who he is. I don’t really see him pretending to be a fake rocker? I mean, he identifies as a pop star, just with rock influences?

Again, I think that you guys, who apparently watch idol all the time and love to actually investigate and discuss fans, and harbor kind of irrational feelings towards Adam–you guys are in the “idol bubble.”

And that’s not the real world. It’s not like Adam’s a megaOMGBEATLESsuperstar in the real world–he’s just a new artist with talent and respect. Which I like.

It’s nicer in the real world than in your idol bubble.

erinnthered

I think you mean learning impaired. “Retarded” is a slur when you use it to refer to people who have real disabilities…like you just did.

The other use is making a statement about the behavior of someone, or a group, who should know better. Huge difference.

marissa

…You’re arguing that referring to a mentally retarded person as retarded is offensive, but using “retarded” to mean “stupid” is okay?

I mean, I’m not an expert on that or anything, but that’s pretty much the opposite of what I’ve been taught in school and what my friend has said.

There are probably better terms, though. I think I’ve heard that “intellectually disabled” is becoming more preferred.
erinnthered

I love that you don’t even see the irony of what you said. I will say this, for some reason using the suffix “tard” on a word doesn’t seem to be offensive to those who might have real reason to be offended. Using the full word “retarded” does.

On the other issue – you don’t know me from Adam (so to speak), but some other people around here do…in the sort of internet way that you might know someone. I live and work around the film, tv, and music industries. Adam is not even a spec in anyone’s mind in any of the three. Now, the new National album, or the new Sleigh Bells, or the new Black Keys album, those are all over the place. The only thing that comes up, if he ever does – in realtion to the TV show – is that his fans are insane and how much they remind people of the Claymates. You want to know if his fans have hurt him? I’m telling you they have. You can listen or not, but that doesn’t change anything.

michella

NPR is National Public Radio. NPR and the Washington Post are clearly not trustworthy sources of news. I’m sticking with MTV and Access Hollywood.

I hope the comments grow to 500. I love cray, cray Idol fans.
sodagrape

Oh Glamberts, your crazy is the gift that keeps on giving. Never change!

BestAI:
06/29/2010 at 10:09 pm

Chris Richards, who wrote the blog for Wash Post is with NPR, so I take what he writes with a grain of salt. Why does he think it’s necessary to mention the audience was gay guys and old women wearing crocs? Is that all he noticed?

mtlfan

what is NPR?

sodagrape

National Public Radio

parsenip

NPR? Whaaa? Are they notorious homophobes or something?

I gotta give it up for the BSC Glambots – they are the Mother Lode of Idol related snark.
justpeachy

Did she just malign National Public Radio? She better hope I never run into her.
Miz

Aha, I knew I recognized that name. I used to listen to NPR all the time. Is this really the same Chris Richards?

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

He’s on Twitter. @chris__richards

erinnthered

Yeah, don’t take a guy affiliated with one of the last bastions of real news out there seriously. *eyeroll*

erinnthered

Except that I don’t see him on the NPR roster. Am I missing something?

In other news, I didn’t know Cokie Roberts was with NPR now. She’s one of those people I used to dislike, but like now. I think she got a lot more moderate in her views.

michella

Classic. Everytime Cla…. I mean Adam gets a bad review, the Cla..Glamberts are out in force. Pathetic and of course hilarious.
maturin

OH OH! Can I write the first Glambert troll post?? Pre-emptive moo-pocalypse!

* Canceling the daily subscriptions to the Washington Post which every croc-wearing housewife in New Jersey and Ontario is so likely to have is not punishment enough. Even as we speak, the steak-eating lobbyists and black people who constitute Washington DC are about to be destroyed by a fiery meteor. And there will be no Adam so sing away their fiery doom. Having failed as a community to prove worthy of his glittery grandeur, let them all perish, yay, even unto the outer Beltway. It has been spoken.

* You all are homophobes, even if you *are* gay. Why? Because Adam Lambert is the true gay; gay didn’t exist before he bravely and courageously started to exist on my television. How do I know this?? Because before Adam, I didn’t care about gay. In fact, other then Adam, I still don’t. This definitely proves that there are no gay rights issues in the world beyond Adam Lambert popstar fandom.

* You all should do something better with you lives then sit around and criticize Adam. For example, you should spend your days following Google alerts to other websites and screaming hysterically at his critics. Or you should find some worthy charity to spend time & effort on! Unless it’s earthquake orphans in Haiti, shoeless children in Africa, or cowless peasants. They all deserve it.

* It may well occur to you that if Washington DC is turned to a giant crater, a lot of gays will go with it, along with their well-appointed Dupont Circle co-ops and tiny dogs, and some decent bars on 17th Street. See point 2. If they truly love the One True Queer, they will go happily.

* I just came in here to tell Lauren that Adam has gained five spins in Toledo. However, I am a very objective person and not an obsessive tard and have never followed Idol before. In fact, I don’t know what a spin is or who Lauren is. I just happened by. Cause I’m objective.

alicat10025

LOL – you addressed every stupid tard point so well!!
CayKat

From now on, I will refer to Adam as “TrueGay” – thank you Maturin!
Lauren

LOL!

Marissa really wasn’t a troll though. She posted here for a while in the past until a *disagreement* caused her to leave.

maturin

Fair enough. I am smushing the various voices together for sure. They blur in what’s left of my brain.
kimberly

This *disagreement* reads exactly like the past *disagreement* that you may be referring to Lauren. Same exact argument and fingerpointing. This has turned into the Marissa Opinion thread once again. I label her a glambert based on her passion or should I say obession on the subject:Lambert.

I like you, Lauren, my intent is certainly not to upset you. I love that you love Adam and Kris and seem to be a genuinely kind spirit.

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sweetmm

I do think this critic writing is not consistent with other press so could be he is not into this type of music or he was not even there hehehe.

Anyway I doubt his writing has any impact as the journalists from the more established music medium such as E and MTV gave positive reviews. Those who is into music, concerts would read reviews from established music channels so their writings will be more of value, I think.

Katie112

But… but… EVERYONE needs to give a positive review to the greatest supahstah EVAH!!11
CayKat

I find it telling that you comment on the review rather than the BATSHIT CRAZY response to the review.

sweetmm

It’s normal response from die-hard fans; anyway who reads comments and take it seriously. It’s just entertainment right?

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

He’s a popular club DJ in the DC area, btw.

E and MTV do not and CANNOT give altogether negative reviews, because that will endanger their access to celebrities.

sweetmm

Seriously? Wow; exactly who are real music & concert critiques then? Could you give me links of valid music &b entertainment writers please.

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Hell, I think most of Rolling Stone is crap these days.

Check out a friend of mine named Maura Johnston. She’s an excellent writer, one of the best music writers working today.

sweetmm

Thanks

crawdaddy1990

He’s entitled to write his review from his perspective – and not be swayed by what others have already written, or be made to cow-er in fear from the ravings emanating from the heat obsessed brains of Lambert’s thundering herd of delusional misfit fans. So sick of this kind of illlogic spewing from the snouts of these creatures. Reading these bullshit comments doesn’t make me want to check this assclown out in concert – makes me want to turn the radio off everytime his music comes up, and the channel each time he may flit across the screen. Too much drama, bullshit and mess associated with somebody still essentially a nobody in pop music. His fans can start acting all brand new like this when he’s pushing 750k cd’s sold in a week, like Eminem did last week, bitches.

Blue Eyes

This is hilarious! They want the reviewer’s head on a plate.

Calm down sparkle cows…not everyone is a fan of the greatest rock stah since Elvis and the Beatles.
Katie112

120+ comments from 20 Sparkle Cows who have made multiple comments (usual Cow behavior) and have who-knows-how-many sock puppets.

@JaneRochester: He has managed to do that on his own. The Cows are just the catalyst in this whole process.
JaneRochester

I would love to see the evil troll that Adam so obviously must have stepped on, to deserve “fans” like this. They’re turning (have turned?) him into a laughingstock.
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Miz

A vacation hold? Like, isn’t that when you tell them you’re going on vacation and they hold your papers. Then when you get back, they deliver all the ones you missed? At least that’s the way it always worked with the LA Times. Of course, I actually live in LA and subscribe to the LA Times.

I bet I could put a vacation hold on the Washington Post if I subscribed to their online site too. Would they know I’m on vacation if I logged in from a hotel in the Bahamas or would they think I lied and hold it against me? How about if I pretend I’m going on vacation?

Chris Richards deserves a Pulitzer for that article. Or a body guard for having the guts to write it. I must admit I am incensed that he insulted Crocs. I love their flip flops.

http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

Would you wear these GLAMCROCS?

CayKat

OH GOOD GOD! THE HORROR!

cc

Your monster’s expression fits your reaction. LOL!

CayKat

Yes it does! It actually fits my reaction to large percentage of posts here. Talk about art imitating life

Miz

LOL! Noooooo! I will wear their flip flops and I like mine plain, thank you.

So GlamCrocs are real? That wasn’t poetic license from the Washington Post guy?

I did have a pair of clog Crocs for gardening. The dog ate them though. They only had mud on them, no glitter.
mtlfan

that classified as tard art

mtlfan

..classifies.. oups

JaneRochester

Who is Al? Does Adam know?

girl from mars

Yes, Glamberts, reviews must always be unbiased! Here’s my unbiased review of an Adam Lambert show I’ve never been to:

Adam Lambert sang several songs on a stage. There were people in the audience.

I bet they’d have problems with that too.

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They had problems with Lyndsey Parker’s positive review of the If I Had You video because it wasn’t enthusiastic & positive ENOUGH. That should tell you EVERYTHING.

alicat10025

well, you know, Lyndsey Parker started giving Krusted Also good reviews and positive press and that just isn’t allowed in Glambertland.

girl from mars

Welp, there’s nothing anyone can do really. Adam could tell them to stop and they’d be like “he’s not talking about MEEE!”

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I really want one of these freaks on Intervention.

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That would be TV gold!
Llamakhan

OMG I would kill for that! Actually I would be too freaked out to watch.

FreeDavidCook

I actually know some of the production people over at “Intervention” Maybe I can point them in the bsc Lambert Tard direction.
cc

Will it be called “Glittervention” then?!
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Glittervention…

True gay…

Jizz in my moomoo…

Keep it coming, everyone! You guys are on fire tonight!

jazz

Of course there are problems with your review, girlfrommars. You didn’t say the show was SOLD OUT, for starters!

ross

“SOLD OUT” must always be in boldface. Please consult your club rules.

girl from mars

I apologize, jazz. I did not have access to that information at the time of the review. I will now start work on my formal retraction and public self-flagellation.

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You, too, are just a biased homophobic tone deaf moron.

Opinions are one thing, but Chris Richards is a biased, tone deaf, homophobic idiot. I am not a glambert I’m 26, a newer fan and was at the concert with a 27 year old friend. Adam clearly knows his audience, he has a story to tell in his show, he brought the audience on a journey both visually and through his amazing tenor voice. He was pitch perfect, it may not be the style you prefer Mr. Richards, but no-one in rock/pop music in the last several decades can come anywhere near to Adam’s vocal range and technique. If you listen to the words to most of the songs on his CD you’ll see they are not insipid, if you think they are you truly lack soul. He has so many great messages to share in the majority of the songs and a few songs for dancing and partying together. Aftermath is anything but overly dramatic and is one of the most beautifully written songs I’ve ever heard and his acoustic performance absolutely breathtaking, as is soaked – no-one in pop music can come close to signing like that. He inspires many to love each other: pre-teens, teens, moms, gay, straight, a message we could all live by!!

CayKat

In this case, violence is the answer. Nothing serious. Just a firm backhand slap to the face…

… I kid, I kid.
Dickory Dock

I love it when the sparkle cows pretend to be young hawt things who only recently heard Lambert and spontanously Glamgasmed their way to fandom. It’s cute.

But my fave is when they pretend their husbands love him.

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Rainbow lasers were mentioned here, yet there are no accusations of homophobia.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/06/concert-recap-sundays-glam-nation-show-in-baltimore/1

jukejoint

no-one in pop music can come close to signing like that.

If only A___ would learn to sign instead of singing. Sculpting language in the air! Instead of shrieking and screeching and going nails on chalkboard.

girl from mars

Duhh, what?

Oh and: “He inspires many to love each other: pre-teens, teens, moms, gay, straight, a message we could all live by!!”

Well, they’ve covered every group who needs to love each other! How inclusive and open-minded of them!

magnacarta

I am not a pre-teen nor a teen. I’m not a mom and I don’t put a label on my sexuality. I feel excluded now.

maturin

The funny thing is that Lambert actually did start out with a better relationship with the media then pretty much all the other kids on the show. Since it was so over-inflated, he was bound to suffer some ups and downs.

But his fans are digging as fast as they can in the downward direction.
Dickory Dock

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

PREDICTION: They will soon organize a Million Glambert March On Washington to make it illegal to print, speak or think any negative thought about Adam. The Constition will be amended. Adam’s face will appear on the $1 bill.

Now they’ll just have to find a million Sparkle Cows.

jazz

How dare you say his face will only be on the $1!!!! That is degrading for a rawk gawd!

jukejoint

Who needs Woodrow Wilson on the $100,000 bill? Give that one to the Grand High Poohbert.

Or better yet, put him on the $100,000 candy bar. Does that still exist? I remember it as a waxy, crappy kind of candy that some people like and some people don’t that rots your teeth and hardens your arteries. So, you know, perfect for the Poohbert’s fans.

sj

Holy shit.
Lauren

Sure, it WAS a harsh review. Leaving a comment on the article RESPECTFULLY stating your disagreement is sufficient. This type of overreaction is just embarrassing.
nonna-muss

FFS. Nothing is going to ruin Lambert’s career faster than his own fans. How can they not see that badgering the Washington Post makes them, along with Adam, look juvenile and foolish? A retraction?? Puh-leeze. He wasn’t accused of anything untoward or criminal, there doesn’t appear to be any type of slander written about him, just a review that the Sparkle Cows don’t like. They are a bunch of loons.
Daf

Will the gates to this bovine hell EVER be closed? They are CERTIFIABLY INFREAKINSANE. Bet you any money the “press” won’t be allowed in to see one of his crap shows anymore after this. LOL.
CayKat

What a fucking moron. At least it was an entertaining read.

I deeply wish Adam would tell these fans to get a friggin grip on reality.
mtlfan

the use of threat (cancelling the subcription) is so ridiculous for such a thing as a concert review…

What do you think of the comment “I wear both my Crocs and my glitter proudly. “?
I would suggest a line a glittered Crocs

CayKat

like glitery Toms? lol!

OvenMitt

Toms are too narrow for hooves. Only Crocs will do. Or something from the “extra-wide widths” section at Payless.

FreeDavidCook

You can get glittery crocs. They have a few styles all gussed up for a Sparkle Cow hoof.

melissa

My favourite part is “All bloggers are entitled to their opinions and a fair and honest negative review is always welcome“…. since when? I have never seen a negative review that hasn’t been flooded with comments of OMGHOMEPHOBE! BIASED KRUST OVEN LOVER! by the BSC’s.
Kathy

I cannot grasp why these idiots can’t understand the meaning of opinion. They are just flat out laughable. A retraction? On a review? LMAO They need to wikipedia what a review is.

Katie112

I have a feeling the cows open a dictionary whenever they need to write a letter or a similar piece in an attempt to make it seem “professional”. They find a word that has a suitable meaning but doesn’t completely fall in context with what they’re writing. Or they’re just plain insane. :/

magnacarta

I have no words.
the tard king

I would love it if that idiot fired that off from a work email account.
songkat7

What the fuck?? Are they serious?? Of course they are but huh? A bunch of sparkle cows disagree & automatically the reviewer is biased & homophobic?

Do they even know the meaning of those words?

*Plop plop rrrrrrrrrrrwwwwwrrr*

Sorry, that’s just my eyes rolling out of my head and down the sidewalk.

cc

I wonder, in the eyes of Glamberts, what is the unbiased review?

CayKat

cc it goes something like this:

Adam Lambert was FUCKING FANTASTIC- His performance of Ring of Fire was so damn sexy, full of love, unity and hot sex that it made me jizz in my moomoo. His rendition of If I Had You is the ULTIMATE anthem for gay rights, world peace, ending world hunger and solving all environmental problems. He is so much better than that lying, theiving, disabled person taunting, no talet Krust Oven.

deez

jizz in my moomoo

lololololololol!!1!!!

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JIZZ IN MY MOOMOO

JIZZ IN MY MOOMOO

I am laughing so hard right now.
ross

Jizz in your moomoo/jizz in your moomoo/Lookin’ like a fool with your jizz in your moomoo.
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I keep singing it like the SNL Digital Short!

ophelia64

Jizz in my moomoo.
That is all. I just wanted to type it.
Too funny!
Llamakhan

LMAO! Jizz in my moomoo! Classic. Please write a longer review!
musicfan

Jizz in my moomoo. I love it!

And now it’s running through my mind to the tune of “Pants on the Ground.”

Jizz in my moomoo.
Jizz in my moomoo.
Lookin’ like a fool with jizz in my moomoo.

CayKat

tehehehehe – adding the tune/melody has brought this to new levels of greatness. I will be singing this (in my head) for a while.
Dickory Dock

CayKat, I would like you to make a video for the tard art contest. I imagine you in a moomoo (heh), spangled crocs, black nail polish, and glittery eyeshadow (feather boa optional), dancing around singing this.

PLLEEEEAAASE!!!
cc

Don’t forget the Glammer Pants!!!
Dickory Dock

Oh god. I had forgotten about the Glammer Pants. Thanks for giving me a ‘Nam-like flashback.
CayKat

My moomoo and glammer pants are at the cleaners. I also broke my “black color liner” and don’t have my woodland fairy posse to back me up. Anyway, I need to focus on getting jazzed up for GlamNation. Afterall, ” it is amazing and coming to a city near you!”

alicat10025

OMG – is this for real? What is so hard for them to understand – not everyone is going to love Adam and there is a thing called freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Get over yourselves Glamberts.
Mysterioso

I only counted a handful of people commenting who said they had actually been to the concert in question, and even those are suspicious.
deez

Oh for God’s sake. Can they not see how idiotic this is? Let’s bully people into loving Adam!!!! UGH! I think if this goes too much further, it may be time for the “Master’s Voice”.

(this time he needs to tell the cows to STFU, and not be wishy-washy about it. The sooner he dumps these morons, the better)

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