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Idol Quickies: May 07, 2010

2010 May 6
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by TopIdol

Your new must-read blog.
Nick Mitchell (aka NORMAN GENTLE) has a new blog. And you should read it, because Nick/Norman is a genius. He also knows Nigel Barker. Check out Norman’s new single, Brit Slap. Did I mention Nigel Barker is there?

I need to meet this guy. I really, really do.
Gawker’s Richard Lawson wrote another funny recap of this week’s American Idol results show. I like Richard Lawson.

He should really be out promoting himself more.
Kris Allen went to Indianapolis as part of VH1′s Save the Music. He had his guitar. There were 1000 children. There are photos of Kris Allen with his guitar and Kris Allen surrounded by little children.

Does home schooling count as a tragic back story?
Little Aaron Kelly chatted with EW’s Jessica Shaw following his Wednesday night elimination. He was homeschooled. He thinks all of his fellow contestants are talented. Whatever. You cannot hate on this sweet little puppy dog of a boy, even if he sang played out songs.

You can also check out MJ’s writeup of yesterday afternoon’s press call with Aaron Kelly. (She’s also compiled several of his post-show interviews with local Fox affiliates.)

I want there to be a song about BBQ
Anoop Desai released his first album, All Is Fair. You can download it. I need to give it a spin, as I was always kind of rooting for Anoop on Idol. He’s educated. I like the educated contestants more than the non-educated ones. Because I am a snob.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat: It’s okay when it’s Kelly
Kelly Clarkson — aka American Idol’s gold standard — recorded a little ironic quasi-electro pop ditty (likely aimed at that douchebag Ryan Tedder) called Wash, Rinse, Repeat. It was leaked. And its kind of fun, but she sounds good singing anything. (Except Already Gone. Me no likey that song.)

You can’t get much more loathesome than these two.
Last night, Kara DioGuardi went on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Kara DioGuardi. Jay Leno. I’d rather be dead. (And nice to see she’s already talking about who will make the final. But all the judges do that. Because they suck.)

Slezak. Siobhan. Siobhan. Slezak.
EW’s Michael Slezak sat down for a little Idolatry with Season 9′s sixth-place finisher, Siobhan Magnus.

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  • kimberly

    No matter what music Adam makes or where he ends up professionally, I will say today that he is a stand-up guy and I have a huge amount of respect for him. On twitter, he slaps the wrist of a few of his fans and tells them to quit hating and grow up. As I said, he has gained my respect and loyalty. (Does he care? Probably not.) Little things like this give me hope for the world even with all its craziness.

    • Blue Eyes

      Even Adam knows how hateful they are and has to slap them on the wrist. Of course, the guilty ones will deny that it’s them.

      • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere

        I’m so dying to tell. I could burst.

        • Blue Eyes

          Spill it!!

        • muzikizmi

          Tell. You can’t tease and then think we didn’t read it. :)

      • muzikizmi

        At least Adam made an effort. I wish he had done it a year ago, but better late than never. We can always hope that some of the more sane Glamberts will step forward, and take control from the lunatict, who incite the crap. Hope springs eternal.

        I still say that if he had smacked their hands, the FIRST time they walked out on the Idol tour, it would have put a stop to it right then and there.

        • blacklisted

          I think you’re being way too hard on Adam for that situation, muzikizmi.

          Last year Adam was under the control of AI/19E even more than now. He tried to throw a few comments out there but like all newbies, was probably reprimanded by management or got worried when people went off on him for the comments.

          The walking out thing was best ignored b/c a) walking out is normal for a certain segment of concert goers who want to beat the crowd, b) publicizing that the AI fanbase has a bunch of locas is not something that someone using AI as a forum wants the gen population to know. c) In addition, the walking out is also AI tour managers fault. IF the tour implemented a NO Idol appearing at the barricades after the show, you’d have less of a walking out b/c there would be no reason for fans to want to line up in hopes of getting an autograph by their favorite idol.

          • muzikizmi

            You are probably right, BL. I don’t hate Adam. In fact, he can be very nice. He tweeted to Kris to give his mama a hug from him (Adam). Can’t hate on that.

        • ross

          I’m of two minds about it. I wish he had said something general about his ruder fans’ behavior right at the start. On the other hand, I don’t like the whole “poor Kris” thing. Adam’s fans being rude really has nothing to do with Kris. If they target him, well, he seems man enough to take it, and not whine about it — probably because he doesn’t really care about what Adam’s fans do or think.

          If Adam had urged his fans not to walk out on Kris, all that would have done is encourage people to see Kris as someone who needs Adam’s help. (Another thing I hate.) I’m glad it was ignored. It was blown all out of proportion, anyway. I think it started with exaggerated tweets from haters. I went to an Idols concert and nobody walked out. It must have happened sometimes, but I read a lot more comments at the time that said “no one walked out” or “a handful”. Yet the myth persists that there were mass walkouts.

    • blacklisted

      Too funny!

      I hope Adam doesn’t backtrack from that comment. Seriously, the only time Adam or Kris’ tweets disappoint me is when they back down from their refreshingly honest comments.

      • Blue Eyes

        I have gained so much respect for Adam and Kris. I love their honesty. Other Idols are afraid of speaking their minds, because they don’t want to rock the boat. Not the way to go, in my opinion.

    • Kate123

      That’s very cool of him.

      • naiya

        Yeah, that was a very nice thing to do.

  • Europegirl

    Hi guys! Greetings from Europe! I’ve found this blog by chance. What a great place to come and discuss about people (especially particular one) you don’t like! It’s weird, but it’s your choice how to get joy and happiness… However I’ve decided to comment just to clear some things regarding Adam Lambert fan base in Europe because I’ve read so many comments about sparkle cows (it’s really nasty IMO) and aged fan base in US. First of all AI is not very popular in Europe, most of people do not watch this show and don’t know AI winners, runner-ups etc. Those who follow this show are teens or young people who are note older than 25. So those who are worried about Adams fans age in Europe can relax, they are much younger. Of course there are older fans too (clap your hands) but still much less than in US. BTW I think it’s better to have mature fun base anyway because they are more loyal and they have money :) I got to know about Adam also not from AI. I saw his and Kris performance with Queen on YT. My attention turned to Adam, because of his outstanding vocals. Adam is getting very popular here in Europe, indeed. Whataya Want From Me is becoming big hit in many European countries. And most of album reviews are positive. Oh and thank you for posting negative one. For many of you it was worth to wait… Well have a nice day and maybe focus on people you love for a change :) P.S. Sorry for my English, it’s not my native language. PS.PS. Oh Adam just tweeted: “slap on the wrist goes out to a few of my “fans” who r hating on other artists & their fans. Grow up ladies- negativity is so last season”. Can’t agree more. There are some fans who really makes me upset too. Well new bone is thrown, gnaw it! :)

    • muzikizmi

      Awww, another missionary, come to save us from ourselves. Jeeeeeesh, there are so many websites, where Adam fans can talk freely, but only one where Kris fans can chat, gripe, whatever. Why does this one site bother them so much? Typical missionary think, I suppose. They can’t rest until the whole world is converted.

  • dresden

    a review from the uk…

    Adam Lambert
    For Your Entertainment

    Those of us for drawn towards liking music we know we really shouldn’t are afforded all too few opportunities to raise the value of our Contrary Index. Take Adam Lambert. (No, really.) Runner-up in last year’s American Idol, word is Adam’s the ‘real winner’. Oh, okay. You don’t wanna be winning the damn thing, nah. Kelly Clarkson? Will Young? Girls Aloud? Selling all those records must be a damn pain in the butt. Winning these shows, though? Who wants to do that? Isn’t ‘the journey’ enough?

    Hey, I’m as clueless as you are as to who beat him, to be perfectly honest. I’ve listened to his album. Now you want research on top? Look, like I said, it would have been a thrill to go out into the world with stone tablets engraved with “I hereby proclaim that the potentially plastic beyond belief, over-produced album by Adam Lambert, American Idol runner-up, is actually a smartly diverting piece of work that tips a nod to its questionable provenance and offers up a spicy brew of pop-rock of the type that really does shag the leg of the zeitgeist.” Would have loved to. Seriously. But it ain’t gonna happen, folks.

    For Your Entertainment is marginally diverting, there’s no denying it. But you pay a price for the gems. Opener ‘Music Again’ comes on like ‘A Kind of Magic’-era Queen and it’s framing of just why our Adam is so into her (or him – mmm, don’t worry, we’ll come to that) via its “Oh you make me wanna listen to music again” is propelled into the cheapest seats in the arena via one Justin Hawkins. Yep, The Darkness man puts himself back in the shop window with canny nous. Depending on your age, you’ll nail him for the gymnastic guitar solo in a second. Or like some of us, you’ll at first wonder whether it’s Richie Blackmore.

    And it’s generational pointers like that that really do mark out Lamberts’s demographic. Because For Your Entertainment wasn’t recorded in a bedsit on an old Bontempi, written “on the road” or blessed with any of the accoutrements of your traditional cool, facing up to its committee-driven, conveyor belt-assembled provenance is hurdle number one. Now that’s not going to bother the young people but recent shows in Britain, firmed up by his TV heritage, confirm that Lambert is loved by all ages. Fine. The second obstacle is unavoidable. No getting around it, Adam Lambert is a bit gay. Now, I could give a flying one about what Mr Lambert gets up to when he gets the Barry White out but it seems to be a subject of some conjecture for people who surf the internet trying to find out if newly famous people who wear eyeliner and don’t make it easy by wearing blue jeans and checked shirts might be Homer-Sexyuls! I don’t know whether he is or not. Care less and all that. All I will say is, if he’s not, he bloody well should be. If I had those cheek bones and could throw Prince circa ’86 poses like our Ad can, I’d turn gay in an instant. But that’s just me. We move on.

    ‘FYE’ contains a monster 18 tracks. Ridiculous, of course. Was someone with a clipboard not employed to stand in the studio and keep count? Too much filler means it takes a while for me to get interested again after the blinding opener. Much has been made of the input of all manner of A-listers and the Pink track ‘Whataya Want From Me’ is much as you’d expect and preferable to the dire ‘Strut’ with its de rigueur electro marching beat. And you’ll think I’m making this next bit up but I’m not. Are you ready ? You’ll spot the Muse track a mile off. I’m not joking. ‘Soaked’ has ‘Matt Bellamy’ in a bracket after its title. I swear, anyone with the vaguest awareness of popular music of the past decade will, two bars in, loudly guffaw and go “That’s f***ing Muse !” And it is. This one also brings to mind Queen, as did much of Muse’s last effort, but we’re in A Night at the Opera territory: strings, the grandest piano and overwrought to a tee. Rather fine, all in, it must be said.

    And so it continues. Risible in parts, of course, but largely, you know, okay. ‘Sure Fire Winners’ is a plop of euro pop-rock that, with a straight face, sees Lambert sing “Cause all the girls and boys wanna know / How far this bad wild child’s gonna go.” I suspect they don’t, to be perfectly honest, Adam, but I recognize that there’s an image thing to consider here. But really, it’s 2010. I know Billy Bob sat on the back stoop in Arseville, Iowa, will see you on his telly and think the devil’s unleashed you on the Christian world but we’ve kinda seen it all now, you know? Britney and Robbie with their season tickets to rehab, Lady Gaga, as alien as we have right now in pop despite being manufactured to such a degree she probably has an an ISO 9001 tattoo on her backside – nothing really rocks us anymore. That nice Will Young ? (I know, I can’t leave it.) Took him about three years to tell us what we’d kinda suspected from the off. Guess what? Earth carried on spinning.

    It’s only when you take note of just how utterly extraneous these distractions are, that you revert back to more prosaic concerns. Is the music any good, for instance? Well … it’s alright. You could probably guess what it Sounds Like. But even while the main feature is playing, you find yourself drawn back to the adverts every time. Adam Lambert may well have come second in a singing competition, he may well be camping it up just a bit too much for us to really think he’s 4 Real (check out his Idol look – a bit of spiky black hair but no more frightening than Gareth Gates), and this whole ‘Is he/isn’t he?’ thing is already so old. But it takes an effort of will to pull back the curtain, particularly when it’s tied back with such an absolute army of collaborators that the CD booklet thank you’s page really needs chapters. (Though, to be honest, I only squinted through it to see if he thanks God. Like they all do. Bucking the trend, surprisingly, he doesn’t. Hallelujah! That said, he does thank Idol major domo Simon Fuller for being “the voice of artistic taste”, which is hilarious, and he also thanks one of my cats, which is cool. Unless he actually does have a friend called Boo.)

    In summary ? For Your Entertainment makes good on its presumption. Nothing here has been enginee- sorry, created to challenge or unsettle. Not at all. Reality gets in the way every time. This is a really quite bloated record, not just in its almost obscene length but in its hefty kitchen sink production. The ugly sequenced bleeps of ‘Pick U Up’ sit a little bit uneasily with the likes of ‘Time for Miracles’, drab AOR that has no place on the calling card of a supposed firebrand and rebel. Lady Gaga and Katy Perry are in there somewhere too, apparently, but they may have popped up when I’d drifted off for a bit. Jeez, you could nip off and have a bath while the album is playing and still get back in time for the second half.

    Therein lies the rub. Adam Lambert (did no-one, by the way, think to do something about that bloody estate agent name?) is here to entertain us, not himself, and the greatest pop dilettantes gave not two hoots about what the great unwashed thought. They were on that stage for themselves. Our Adam, so keen to proffer the fruits of his many and varied labours, so sullied by the whole Idol process, comes off sounding just a tad desperate and more than a little eager to please. As much as I’d love to tell you that, actually, he’s a shining star, here to blind us like a young Bowie with an uncommonly angular take on spacey pop rock, locked onto a sexual trajectory that will make the entire planet his willing slaves, I can’t. I simply can’t. He’s called Adam. Adam Lambert. He sings songs other people have written for him. And sometimes it’s just too much like hard work to get past the unfortunate truth.

    http://www.themusicfix.co.uk/content.php?contentid=10165

    • carmine2008

      This is such an unnecessarily lengthy review when all he wanted to say is that the album is just… alright. Hahaha. Have the Glamberts deciphered this review yet?

      • jmom376

        LOL. I completely agree. It was funny trying to decipher what he was really trying to say.

      • dresden

        i get the impression he thought it was less than alright… he is mocking everything about him, from the collaborators, influences, simon fuller, the idol machine, the assembly line, manufactured bloated dreck that the cd is… nothing was left unturned, hahahah…took them a while, but i think they summed up everything that is wrong with the cd. he even pokes fun at his pedestrian sounding name – one unfit for the likes of an alleged rawk stah bowie wanna be. like simon sez, the review is on. the. money. like most things dealing w/glambert, it requires a comfy chair and popcorn while reading.

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          The comments section is full of gems, as usual!

          They’re trashing the writer for *gasp!* giving his opinion on an album. So one dude doesn’t feel like dancing all over the place while listening to the album non-stop. If there are so many positive reviews out there, why does one negative review rile them up so much? Obviously he must be horribly misinformed not to know that this is the best album evah!!!!11!!!111!1

          • muzikizmi

            The Lamb-Borg will assimilate that critic. Resistance is futile.

    • et

      Haha, wow, that was some kind of a detailed review. More entertaining when imagined in an English accent, though :)

      • muzikizmi

        The best part of that interview for me, was that he mocked ‘Strut’. That is the Kara/Adam co-write. That’s a twofer. I just may build an alter in my closet to that guy. j/k

        • muzikizmi

          Opps, sorry, it is always bad when I type while laughing. It was of course a review, not an interview.

          • muzikizmi

            Yipes, a-l-t-a-r. I really need to start proof reading my posts BEFORE I hit submit. After, is a bit late.

    • nerdgirl

      ISO 9001 tatoo! So true!

    • ross

      That was too long for me to read and have time to live life as I know it. But I skimmed it and I think I picked up the salient points. These UK reviews seem a lot more detailed and also more negative. I guess I read a few negative US reviews of FYE early on, but then later I seem to have read a lot of positive ones. I don’t follow Adam’s career really closely, so I was wondering, were thesenegative UK reviews a surprise to anyone?

    • Acrobat

      What I got from this: “Ritchie Blackmore! Shit, I need to go listen to some Deep Purple.”

  • Verbally Dyslexic

    I’m gone for a few hours of brunch and so much has happened! Wow, people need to get a grip! In parts, I agree with Marissa (can’t read everything though, too frakking long!), Kristards need to relax and not get carried away. A little bit of self-awareness doesn’t hurt. I’ve said it before many posts ago, BSC can vary in degree of intensity, but is still BSC.

    Maybe it’s the fact that I’m in politics and see how crazy and obsessed these people get with winning elections and discrediting the other party by whatever means that I think the Adam/Kris fanwarring is fun for a laugh, but shouldn’t rile me up. If it’s getting to you and taking up so much space in your head, it’s time to back off and do something else to regain your sanity. No artiste is worth this much angst. Not from American Idol anyway.

    But Marissa, I think you won’t get the answer to your question here. Why people talk about people they dislike is a question for a blog on psychology. No answer here will satisfy you, I fear, much as your answer will not satisfy everyone.

    I am now backing off because staring at the computer is giving me a headache!

    • cc

      Thank you VD. I’m not gonna bother to read the whole thread because words like strange, weird, self-awareness, crazy, haters and even glamb**** are starting to be all mixed up in my brain. X-(

  • summersnow

    Ok I’m fuming now. There’s a blog insinuating that the tweets by Kris and Matt means that they hate middle-aged women and don’t want them as fans. It’s not like Kris personally tweeted that he hates middle-aged women (with the exception of cougars). I’m absolutely flabbergasted that a tweet from Kris joking about middle-aged women dancing badly in his family can be misconstrued in such a way. And guess what? The blogger is an Adam’s fan. Surprised much?

    • carmine2008

      Not really. After 1 year of this kind of thing, I will be more surprised if nothing like this ever happened every time Kris tweets something. I mean, if they could go after him for going to Haiti to help out (as well as all the other charity works he has done), they’ll go after him no matter what.

    • barado

      The Glamberts are almost as good in faux outrage as they are in faux concern.

      • nerdgirl

        And they never get tired. Are they Glambots from Planet Fierce? Do they use special glitter dust to make them relentless. I see a book coming, sci-fi….

        • jmom376

          LOL.. For some reason the club scene at the end of the movie “Bedazzled” comes into mind often when I think of the Glamberts. I don’t know why, but it just does. LOL. (I am probably the only person who has any clue what I am talking about :}

      • jmom376

        barado: I completely agree. I love when their outrage and their concern collide.

  • wino

    random, but has anyone seen Stolen with Jon Hamm?? Im home sick and debating if I should rent it OnDemand. (i know Jon Hamm is an allowed off topic, hehe)

  • kimberly

    You know what Marissa, what’s weird is I’m allowing you to piss me off. Pat yourself on the back. I’ve followed IDOL since season 7 for a bit of an escape. I come to TOP IDOL’s blog for a few laughs and to offer my opinion on Adam or Kris or whatever. It’s entertainment. Maybe Adam will succeed in Pop, maybe he won’t. I’m pretty confident in the fact that I’m not the weird one, though my kids might always agree with that. You’ve pretty much monopolized this entire thread with how weird everyone is, but you. You’ve tried to align Lauren with you as a young Adam Lambert fan against the Adam Lambert haters who post on this blog. So far you’ve called me an Adam hater, childish, and weird. I think I’m starting to like you.

    • marissa

      It’s not about causing trouble, it’s just weird to see this from both Kris and Adam fans.

      But you’re right, trying to talk about stuff like this on the internet inevitably just devolves into an argument and insults and just isn’t going to lead to any real discussion.

      It’s just that lack of self-awareness, that being crazy while insisting the other side is crazy, and the insistence on “sides,” is weird to me. But it’s not going to lead anywhere, so I’m sorry, and I’m sure you’re a nice person in real life–it’s just the idol fandom brings out strange behavior in people that I don’t understand.

    • wino

      well, all adam haters are weird. duh kim , you should know better :) if you dont like the glambulge, there MUST be something wrong with you.

      • marissa

        No, not all people who dislike Adam are weird–we can’t all like the same artists.

        It’s just the constant need from some people who dislike him to talk about him all the time is weird. Same for people who dislike Kris and talk about him all the time.

        And ew, glambulge. I do not like that word. If I find a guy attractive, I’d rather look at his face, not his penis. :) Penises can do awesome things, but I don’t feel the need to stare at them.

        • wino

          girl, come on, people love to talk shyt :) lets be honest. thats why we love to gossip about celebs or friends. thats why news is filled with “bad” news. like i said below, its human nature. it has nothing to do with idol/adam/kris/cows etc.

          • marissa

            People do love to talk shyt–but why? And why do they think that everyone else who does it is crazy, but not them? It’s human nature I guess, but I don’t get it.

          • wino

            realistically, this entire blog is based on talking crap about others. thats Top Idol’s m.o.. so if you are so against “it”, why are you on here? im just trying to point out the obvious, we all do it. (dont try to fight it, join us LOL)

          • naiya

            Ummm…yeah, I come here to mock crap (myself included: see dancer, bad and me, bitch). Mostly I come here just to be silly and stupid and to stay away from squeeing and bulging body parts. ewwwww

        • nerdgirl

          Self-awareness stuff again. I guess only superior Lambert fans are capable of self-awareness. The need to talk about something you don’t like is the same as the need to talk about something you do like.

          • nerdgirl

            Sorry, it double posted, damn, I need to get some self-awareness, pronto. Where am I?

        • et

          I just… I don’t know. Isn’t it just as weird to come here and constantly talk about people constantly talking about something? Me? I come here because real life is super stressful, other boards have been hijacked by sparkle-covered aliens, and people here are fricking funny. If that makes me weird, so be it, lol.

          • muzikizmi

            et remember when undercooked posted that Idoltard10 was a wonderful ambassador for Adam at this site? That is why they post here. They have official papers from Planet Fierce to represent all issues affecting the rock gawd. And, you know, ambassadors have diplomatic immunity. Can’t live with ‘em, can’t cut ‘em.

          • jmom376

            ET: That is exactly the reason that I am here too. It’s a nice escape from RL sometimes. I always laugh when I come here. When I go to some of the other sites, I end up wanting to smack someone… This is a much more Zen place for a Kris fan.. LOL.. (but not too fanny)

          • et

            And I think it’s pointless, honestly, to try to analyze anonymous people posting on a blog site. I’m sure some people here hate Adam, some love him, some don’t care. I like Adam well enough, though it is nice to be able to comment on him without tiger92/Tess/etc. jumping all over me and then not being able to argue back at ‘em. Maybe I’m just contrary.

          • et

            I still say the planet sends emissaries now and then to try to educate the unwashed masses.

          • muzikizmi

            Yep. Emissaries/ambassadors, we agree. If they post enough hyper-wordy mission statements, it is bound to make us all slobbering Glamberts, right?

          • ross

            More like they just want to wear you down. You don’t have to be a slobbering Glambert, you’re just supposed to be too fatigued to fight them.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            How did this disagreement break out?

            I really don’t want anyone leaving. I just want everyone to respect each other’s opinions. Unless they are very ridiculous and necessitate mocking. I don’t think Marissa comes across as a crazy Glambert, and I don’t want this to become a place where someone will be bashed because they like something. But use of the Glambulge and Kradam tinhatting bullshit is open for mockery. :)

            In the words of Rodney King, can’t we all just get along?

          • muzikizmi

            To be honest, I mostly scroll past Marissa. Her posts are very long and just not something in which to invest a lot of time, IMO. I do understand why a few Glamberts make a healthy mix and spur conversation. If I had to choose one Glambert to keep, other than Lauren, it would be Marissa. Scrolling is not a big deal.

  • kimberly

    Marissa, dude, Adam’s career is for the most part based on the IDOL BUBBLE at this point. Perhaps in Europe, he’s gotten younger fans, but in the USA, the majority are older. Again, it’s my opinion that he’s headed down the HICKS/AIKEN road if things don’t turn around soon. I’ve got some serious real life stuff going on and this is inconsequential to me. FANWARS — you’ve got to be kidding me! I could give a shit about FANWARS. I think people know where I stand on Adam. Talented guy, but not convinced he belongs in POP music industry and on top of that, his burdened with some pyscho fans. Sorry, you didn’t like what I said. It’s merely an opinion, but maybe there’s truth in it.

    • marissa

      Different opinions are fine, I just don’t totally see where you’re coming from? The vocal fans tend to be older, and obviously he and Kris and anyone else from Idol have a decent number of middle-aged fans, but his fan base in real life seems to be pretty young (average is probably mid-late 20s?) and he seems to have an unusual level of industry respect and interest for a person from American Idol. Psycho fans are par for the course, but it didn’t stop WWFM from being a hit, so I don’t think it would be an issue in the future?

      But anyway, we can agree to disagree. It just seems like wishful thinking to me. He and Kris have both had hit songs on radio, and that alone differentiates them from Hicks and Aiken, who as far as I heard never had radio success, correct?

      • laila

        You are misinformed about Aiken. He had radio success, but it was shadowed in the long run by the over the top behavior of fans. When people express similar thoughts about Adam, it’s not because they hate him. It’s because the pattern of his fans behavior is matching closely to Aiken’s . He also far outsold Adam (and Kris obviously) as did Hicks, so the idea that Adam or Kris’s career could be dead in the water despite some success isn’t so far out there. Really all that matters “outside the Idol bubble” as you put it is the success/failure of a second album.

        Adam does indeed have a great deal of industry respect, but he’s also been given unprecedented opportunities that haven’t resulted in great commercial success. I’ve expressed bewilderment at the opportunities he’s been given, and Warwick’s statements about his career were quite eye-opening. It would be lovely if he could be treated as a new artist, but the expectations placed upon him have been that of someone firmly established.

        There’s no valid way to say what the age demographic of his fanbase is, but no one who has been to one of his concerts can truly think it’s people in their mid-20′s. Maybe (hopefully) that will change.

        • marissa

          From what I’ve heard at _ai, didn’t Aiken have one single that barely cracked the top 20 and then nothing else that was successful on radio at all? He’s always seemed geared towards a much older crowd from what I’ve heard, not pop radio.

          And yes, Adam and Kris have been doing pretty well but obviously that isn’t a guarantee of anything. Hopefully it’ll continue though. :) Adam does seem to be selling pretty well, but it’s only been a little while so anything could happen, for better or worse.

          And if you look at pictures or videos from Adam’s or Kris’s concerts, of course you seem some older people, but you see plenty of younger people too. I would think that any artist would have some middle-aged fans, even more so anyone from AI, but the radio success and general appeal has probably helped them get more younger fans too. :) _ai was created specifically by pretty young people who were fans of either Adam or Kris or both. :)

          • laila

            Adam has been selling decently, but for someone with the opportunities and exposure he received, and with the expectations his record label and management have placed upon him, he’s struggling. That’s what Warwick’s statements were about. I disagree with your assessments on most of this, but that’s okay. It’s good to see things positively and hope for the best.

            Aiken had as much radio success as Kris and Adam have had so far. I’m not an Aiken fan, but he was given good radio play in the beginning, particularly in big markets like New York City. When his fans started spamming DJ’s, his radio play lessened.

            I’ve been to Idol concerts, and from my personal experience, Adam’s fans skew much much older. Of course he has some younger fans. They just don’t make up the majority of his fanbase. Aiken and Adam’s fanbases are very similar, but Adam has a much better chance of shaking off the more rabid fans and gaining newer, more casual fans. I understand your hesitation at associating yourself with the likes of Glamberts. Don’t worry, they’ll move on soon enough and Adam will gain more young fans when they do.

          • marissa

            I always heard at _ai that Aiken and Hicks and Boyce (spelling?) and others who didn’t succeed didn’t have any songs that were successful at radio because they didn’t make good/radio-friendly music and therefore could never expand beyond the Idol base, and I’ve definitely never heard that any of them did well in that area. Maybe I’m wrong? But I’ve certainly never heard of Clay having hit singles like Kris and Adam have had. But I was in like, 8th or 9th grade when he was famous, so maybe I missed it.

            I heard what Warwick said, and perhaps they did have Gaga-like expectations of him, in which case I hope they’ve tone it down. He’s doing well, but he’s not a superstar yet, if he ever will be.

            It does seem more likely to me, especially since the question posed was a kind of embarrassing one about whether they were bringing Adam in to save the season and the ratings, that he was trying to save face. I mean, it’s certainly not like anyone in the industry itself cared about the AMAs, so what he was wasn’t logical. But we can’t know for sure.

            Adam seems to be doing well and his label seems to be really confident in him, so I hope that continues.

            Fan-wise: Kris and Adam are both from AI. They both have a lot of middle-aged fans. But from what I’ve seen and heard, they both have a lot of younger fans too, and will hopefully attract more since those fans are what buy singles. I hope they continue marketing Adam to pop, since that’s more where the younger market and better singles-sales are. And it makes sense that Kris and Adam might be better-equipped than other people from the show to attract younger fans and succeed in the real world—they’re good-looking and make current music, which is more than I think a lot of others can say. So hopefully that will continue.

            It just seems like a lot of Kris fans here say what they want to believe about Adam rather than what’s factually true, just like a lot of Adam fans elsewhere do to Kris. They have their memes and they stick with them. It’s like they’re trying to make themselves feel better or they just dislike the other guy that much, and it’s that attitude I don’t get.

            And yeah, I definitely don’t want to associate myself with the crazier fans, lol. :) Sane fandom FTW.

          • marissa

            It just seems like it bothers a lot of people here that Adam is doing well, and it also seems like it bothers them that Adam has gotten a lot of critical respect for his album and as a singer/performer, which most people from AI don’t get.

            Similarly, it bothers a lot of Adam fans elsewhere that Kris has had radio success when they wanted him to disappear.

            So they tell themselves what they need to to feel better about it. And that’s weird. Do you really need to spend so much time talking about how much you dislike the guy you’re not a fan of?

            But w/e. It’s pointless to debate it, I guess. It’s the internet, craziness on it will always exist. :)

          • deez

            When the CRAZY pops the “Idol Bubble” and the stench wafts out into the real world, that’s when you know it’s time to back off. It’s already happened for Glamberts, but Kristards will catch up if we don’t take it down a notch. Marissa makes some valid points! Maybe we all need to take Dr Fender’s Tard Quiz, lol.

            ………………………………………………………………………………..

            About Mj’s. I try to stay away as a general rule, it’s EXTREMELY easy to get baited over there. Q3, Tess,& Tiger92 are experts at pissing people off, and I’ve gotta admit… I’ve considered boardicide on occasion. Nobody is keeping score though. Even if Glamberts have turned it into AO, does it matter? Will Kris sell any more or any less music? Will you like him any less? I pretty much just drop by for the lulz now. (and the news…MJ does a great job with that)

            ………………………………………………………………………………..

            One last thing, I’ve never actually been to either a Kris or an Adam concert. But from pictures/videos I’ve seen of shows, I’d say the kids go to see Kris, and the moms or grannies go to see Adam. Maybe that’s wrong, but there is evidence for this one. If anyone plans on seeing both of their shows this summer, that would definitely be an interesting thing to report on.

          • isidra

            Please don’t take this the wrong way, marissa. But I’d be very leery about using “_ai” as a source. A livejournal group, particularly one that skews pretty young, is not really that reliable a source.

          • isidra

            By “skewing pretty young”, I don’t mean to disparage youth. Just that a lot of the posters on there may not have been old enough to really have been tracking Aiken’s career in 2002/2003 in the same way as they do Adam or Kris today.

          • MissMyEm

            Clay came from a season where Idol was just beginning and in those days did not get much, if any, respect from radio. Perhaps if Clay came out with some good music today, he would be played on the radio. IMO, although I am not really a big Clay fan, I think he has an amazing voice. It appears to me, however, unlike Adam or Kris, Clay is taking his career down the path that Michael Buble is taking, and that is singing standards and classics. If I’m correct, Buble didn’t get a hit record until he came out with his latest non standard cover. But I digress. Clay and Kris and Adam…apples, oranges, pears.

        • wino

          yeah, Clay had two radio hits with Invisible Man (had to look up the actual title) and This is the Night. plus his album debuted at #1 and according to wiki, had the best debut of any new artist in ten years. im not a fan, but you cannot deny or diminish the guy’s success.

      • Idoltard10

        Marissa, they will NEVER agree that ANY of us are under 30 and not Sparle Cows with no industry experience. I’m a musical theater teacher that has been a demo singer for years. Low level, yes,but I think I know a bit about entertainment industry stuff. Haters gonna hate and not listen. Just how it works. Its Idol fandom tradition to build up your fave by tearing down the rival. A waste to try to convince folks that it doesn’t have to happen that way. I like BOTH Adam and Kris. In my fantasy land they are married with babies. But in these people’s minds, as a Glambert, I MUST HATE KRIS ALLEN!!! Just how it works.

        • wino

          idoltard, who is “they” and “these people”? they should awfuly nasty LOL

          • Idoltard10

            They= poster here tha thate me for being a Glambert. Same applies to ‘these people.’

          • wino

            people here “hate” you for being a glambert? LOL i think people just hate stupid nicknames like glambulge , not you. who can ever hate a little purple monster with a wiggly tongue? :)

        • margie

          I don’t have a prob with you til you start glorifying the Glambulge. :)

          • Idoltard10

            margie..oh but honey..go look..it should be glorified..it has its own twitter account and facebook page, even.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            The Glambulge is not to be referenced here.

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          It’s hard to take your word because you tard openly over Adam here and appear to like Kris because it fuels your Kradam fantasies. Yet you want to be taken seriously. You’re ripe for mocking.

          Okay, stepping away now.

        • muzikizmi

          Top Idol, I can’t believe we forgot the word ‘Glambulge’ yesterday. I respectfully request that it be added to the NEVER list.

          No one here has said that all Glamberts are middled aged. But those who deny that most Glamberts are middle aged are not living in reality.

          I think Sony is spending a fortune establishing Adam with younger fans in Europe, so that he can jettison the crazy domestic fans, who are an anchor that is dragging him down.

          • old bat

            Is it possible to code something that replaces all instance of words like GLAMBULGE (euw) with something like “smelly fish” or “swiss roll”, or something similarly inappropriate? This would not only spare our eyes but discourage commenters from saying it again in future.

          • blacklisted

            TI told people months ago that there was a moratorium on the word ‘glamb****’, alas, some people didn’t pay attention! Those glambastards!

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            The never list is obviously an ongoing work in progress.

    • wino

      hmm, lambert in danger of going the aiken/hicks route? maybe. i just think its hard for male singers to fit in the pop/dance world without appearing like a caricature. add that to his cabaret tendencies and you have a problem with marketing his image. his label cant force him to be the male Gaga, I dont think mainstream audiences are ready for that.

      and to marissa, yes people do need to spend that much time talking about someone they dislike. sorry, its human nature. what gets people talking is either something they fking love or cant stand. its what inspires a strong thought or feeling. thats why in entertainment, its sometimes better to be hated….at least people are talking about you :)

      • blacklisted

        That’s why I say that Adam needs to front a band like Scissor Sisters. Get a member who’s a great lyricist and at least one member who’s a great musician and they could write the lyrics/music while Adam performs. The band members could check each other so that they don’t get so out there with their ‘style’ that people will be turned off.

        Sure some will call it derivative but a lot of bands are derivative of other bands and yet, successful. Adam’s not going to be Lady Gaga, Britney or even Rihanna. All those ladies have a particular style and their ‘edginess’ is controlled/managed/manufactored. I think Adam’s style could be hit/miss or over the top but not in a managed/creative way (an example or creativity would be MCR’s conceptualized albums/tours) therefore, Adam needs people around him that he could bounce off ideas and help him put the right limits on himself stylistically and musically.

        • wino

          yeah, good call with a band like Scissor Sisters. great dance pop music and it would allow adam to be as sparkly as he wants. i really do think RCA, Adam have to be realistic about what is working and what isnt, and tweak their marketing accordingly.

        • margie

          I wish Adam was younger…28 is late for a pop career and being male adds to that timeline. Hell Britney 28 now and I think hers is fading (Brit is my guilty pleasure). A Pop career is fast and fleeting for most artists. I wish he went more rock.

          • wino

            yeah, margie, he could pull of emo rock or even pop rock , depending on his choosen producer. problem is, i think in his heart, he wants pop/dance as a solo artist, and not sure if he’s willing to compromise. they’ve been feeding his head with outlandish proclamations for so long, it will be difficult to bring him/the label down to reality.

      • nerdgirl

        ” And yeah, I definitely don’t want to associate myself with the crazier fans, lol.”

        I think it’s too late for that, I am afraid. But take this piece of advice – shorten down you posts, the length of the post is sure giveaway for Lambert fan.

      • Blue Eyes

        I think that Adam’s real talent might be the theater and I think that eventually that’s where he will end up. But, comparing Adam to Aiken/Hicks is like comparing apples to oranges. Adam’s music is pop-rock. Clay is adult contemporary/pop and Hicks is blues/soul. Clay and Taylor’s music is not radio friendly, but Adam’s pop-rock genre is definitely radio-friendly.

        • wino

          blue eyes, it depends on the radio format. clay’s type of music from his first album was radio friendly as i heard that annoying shyt often on the adult/pop stations here in LA. (barf). im probably misreading, but i though peeps were just comparing career paths, not their musical sytles. anyhoo, i think adam’s music is truly pop-dance, not pop rock. if it was pop rock, then i think he could be more succesful.

          • Blue Eyes

            Yes, I think you’re right. It is more pop-dance. His music is similar to Lady Gaga, Ke$ha and Brittney, except his cd is lesser quality.

  • magnacarta

    LOL, now see why he can tweet about middle-age women?

    • blacklisted

      The brunnette should cut her hair so that her amazing rack could be on display. *sigh* Women, SO clueless about things.

    • wino

      nice, kris has a blondie on one arm, a brunette on the another. play on player.

  • marissa

    This is sort of what I was talking about–everyone gets crazy, and the craziness seems strange coming from adults:

    “Reminder:

    To Nerdgirl.

    Why yes! Your ass is finally banned! And I’ve got a tip for you: You and your friends are as obsessively fangirlish as anybody you criticize.

    Lack of self-awareness for the win!”

    • marissa

      It’s that lack of self-awareness, whether it comes from Kris fans or Adam fans, that seems weird.

      • Lauren

        To be fair, it isn’t very hard to be banned from MJs. She runs a tight ship. Not that it’s bad thing, but she has a set of rules you MUST follow. The people who post there can get pretty annoying too and it makes it difficult when aren’t allowed to call them out.

        • marissa

          I have no doubt. :) I used to lurk there for info before finding _ai, and the comment sections were scary.

          It was more the “Everyone has some crazy fans/lack of self-awareness” thing I was talking about. :)

        • Lauren

          Ah, ok, I see. That part is true. A lot of the people who complain about Adam’s fans exhibit similar behaviors. “But they are worse!” isn’t really an excuse.

          • marissa

            Yes, that’s it: There are crazy Kris fans and crazy Adam fans, and each tries to justify it by saying “But they are worse.”

            It’s not a big deal–again, nothing in the idol bubble matters in the real world, but it’s a little weird coming from adults, isn’t it?

          • laila

            I don’t know about that. When “they are worse” means “they” are actively trying to derail someone’s career, I think it’s a valid excuse. People should be allowed to openly dislike anyone they dislike. Mock Kris if you want to. Why shouldn’t that be allowed? But seeking out articles on him to spam the comments with negativity, seeking out radio polls to vote for whoever he is up against, sending him hate (via twitter generally) about things like his charity work and writing a book about how he is the lowest cheating scum are behaviors that shouldn’t be excused. There is a difference, whether people want to admit it or not.

        • jmom376

          I completely agree Lauren! She allows people to be as nasty as they want to be towards the contestants, but you are not allowed to say anything to them about it. IIt gets pretty frustrating sometimes. Supposedly you are not allowed to bait people, but there seems to be different rules regarding what is considered baiting for different people.

          • Lauren

            I actually think she is pretty fair, but just really strict. It kinda makes sense that you can bash contestants but not your fellow posters. I would have issues following these rules, so I don’t really go there.

      • nerdgirl

        Really?

        Thank you, I did it! I always reach my goals. Look and learn, kiddies.

        This is self-determination and self-motivation and victory in a face of adversity!

        • jmom376

          LOL. Yay. You reached your goal! I am just bummed I missed what you said. Now that I can post over there, I don’t go over as much as I use to.

          • nerdgirl

            I just asked for clarifications of their statements and pointed out at some funny sentences.

      • ross

        What laila said FTW.

    • kimberly

      Marissa, I’m not going to argue with you. Calling me childish is a bit passive/aggressive and you just pissed me off. I could care less if Adam fails or succeeds. My opinion is his fans from IDOL will eventually become an albatross. I get it your an Adam fan. I stick with my opinion. In the long run who gives a shit. Is that childish enough for you? I better get off of here before I tell you to fuck off. Oh, sorry.

      • marissa

        that’s my point, who gives a shit? Why would anyone? But you seem to frequently make long posts talking about how much you don’t like Adam and how you think he’ll fail.

        That’s what I don’t understand from intense Adam fans or intense Kris fans–why do you feel the need to talk so much about the guy you don’t like?

        I like Adam, so I follow his career. I hope he’ll do well, and he’s doing well so far, but who knows what the future will hold? I don’t particularly care about Kris, but I don’t feel the need to talk about why he doesn’t interest me musically or to talk about how I think he’ll fail or something like that.

        It’s just that mentality that I don’t get.

        • nerdgirl

          May be you should look in the mirror. Why would you come to the blog that mocks Adam fans (and Adam, sometimes) and make the longest post about Adam in Finland or some other land. What is the purpose of this? Do you think, the people who don’t like Adam will suddenly “see the light” and stop mocking him? I don’t care about Adam at all, but very annoyed by his fans, who feel obligated to bring the Gospel of Adam to every “lost” soul.

          Well, this post is getting too long and brevity is the sister of talent (Chekhov, of course).

          To summarize, don’t tell me about Adam – I don’t care. Don’t tell me how crazy I am – I don’t care. Don’t try to convince people that Kris’ fans are as crazy as Adam’s – they are not.

          • blacklisted

            I can’t believe someone just name checked Chekhov on this blog. And people think AI watchers are mostly rubes!

          • marissa

            I didn’t post about Finland, I posted about the UK. :) I’m happy if he’s doing well in Finland, but the UK seems like a big market, so isn’t it reasonable to be happy about it?

            I’m not trying to make you “see the light.” I said that at the end of my post about the Ross interview in the UK–it’s not about trying to convince you to like Adam, but there are some Adam fans here like Lauren who I thought would enjoy it if they hadn’t heard it already, and anyone else who wanted to could check it out.

            It’s totally fine if you don’t like Adam. Of course not everyone is going to like every artist, and it’s not a failure of taste or whatever, you just have a different opinion from me, and that’s fine. I like Adam, you don’t–you don’t have to. It’s fine. :)

            And that’s my point. You have an entire site completely devoted to mocking Adam, so much so that you’re telling Adam fans who post about him to leave. You’re not much different from the Glamberts, just maybe a little more private about it.

            And Kris’s fans may not overall be as crazy as Adam’s fans, but “not as crazy” is a pretty low bar, isn’t it. They’re still pretty crazy.

            Basically, what MJ said to you is true: “You and your friends are as obsessively fangirlish as anybody you criticize. Lack of self-awareness for the win!””

            You guys are so obsessed with how much you dislike Adam that you’ve become as crazy as the fans you (rightfully) despise. That’s sad. And very lacking in self-awareness or maturity.

          • marissa

            Also, Chekhov is awesome. I was in my college’s production of Three Sisters last year, it was great. :)

          • DeeDee

            Marissa I am interested in what you think about Laila’s post about the Adam fans actively trying to derail Kris’ career. I think she is dead on and to me takes the fanwars to an entirely different level.

          • marissa

            nerdgirl, the self-awareness isn’t about accomplishing what you want.

            It’s about being just as crazy and obsessed as the people you mock, which is what MJ was saying you were.

            On a totally non-sarcastic, non-related note, you speak English really well. I’m always very impressed by people who are fluent in a 2nd language. I’m taking French and Spanish right now, so hopefully I’ll be fluent soon. :)

        • kimberly

          Oh, so this is personal of sorts. You’ve read my long ass posts and know how I feel about Adam in the Pop music industry. I’m of the opinion Adam’s vocal ability and niche is more theater akin to Sam Harris. I never said he would fail in the entertainment industry, just not quite sure if he will succeed in the POP music industry. I stated over and over that Adam is a triple threat. He can sing,dance, and act abit. I think you have singled me out because you view me as an Adam hater. I am not. I dislike his Over the top fans. You are obviously an avid Adam Lambert fan.

          I don’t think you’re reading comprehension is up to par, if you came away with thinking I hate Adam Lambert. I think he’s a good-looking guy, but I don’t always agree with his fashion choices. I prefer his vocals on Taken more than I do on For Your Entertainment. Before Idol began, Adam was a favorite of mine. I loved his performance of What’s Up? and listened to most of his Youtube performances before IDOL started the season.

          Clearly you’re here to stir up trouble with all your reasonableness. Underneath it all, you’re a seriosly committed Adam Lambert fan. Stop pointing fingers at those you think hate Adam Lambert,escpecially when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your comments give you away as the overinvest fangirl that you are.

          • marissa

            It’s just–if you don’t seriously dislike him, why do you spend so much time posting about him and talking about what you don’t like about him? It just seems strange. It’s not personal I just noticed your posts because they were long–it’s just weird. What’s the fun or point of doing that? Why do Kristards and Glamberts need to talk negatively about the guy they don’t like?

            Again, what MJ said about you guys is true: “You and your friends are as obsessively fangirlish as anybody you criticize. Lack of self-awareness for the win!”

            You guys are just as crazy as the people you don’t like, and you can’t see it. Weird.

          • nerdgirl

            OK. Since “self-awareness” is being brought up in one sentence with my name, could someone help me to understand the definition of self-awareness. Me and my English as a second language think that lack of self-awareness would mean that someone does not know or does not understand what they are doing (not aware of self). So, my attempts to ruffle some Glamberts feathers to the point that they complain and get me banned were successful. How this is “lack of self-awareness”? Or is it Glambert speak for something else?

        • blacklisted

          Some of the most negative anti-Adam people aren’t Kris fans. Lauren, bless her heart, ignores most of those comments.

          Frankly, I enjoy ragging on Glamberts. I like to mock the idols but that’s mostly teasing out of affection (except for Constantine!). OTT glamberts on the other hand truly annoy the fuck out of me.

          IMO some Kristards have been swallowing their anger at these bsc sparkle cows and now they aren’t going to take it anymore! A lot of us separate Adam from that (some people don’t, but what ya’ gonna do, ya’ know?).

          • marissa

            “but what ya’ gonna do, ya’ know?”

            The answer to so many things, in life, lol. :)

          • marissa

            I do not know much about Constantine but I did see a picture of him in a poster for Rock of Ages or whatever it’s called, and yikes, the hair is terrifying.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Oh, You should definitely learn more about that maggot. Check out the last post I made on him. And then you might have to click on a particular link. That guy is disgusting.

            You also seem like a very reasonable Adam fan. I haven’t checked all the comments since last night yet, but please don’t be scared off. :)

          • margie

            Yes Blacklisted I think Kris fans have finally had enough. I love seeing them get feisty.

          • rollingmyeyes

            Yeah, it’s not Adam I hate, it’s the Glamberts. I was an Adam fan until their smug, know-it-all pettiness and desire to dominate every Idol message-board simply ruined Adam (and AI) for me. I don’t wish Adam any ill will; I’m just sick and tired of hearing how perfect he is and how I must be stupid/tone-deaf if I don’t worship him. Nobody’s perfect, and the Glamberts need to realize that.

    • marissa

      “Marissa I am interested in what you think about Laila’s post about the Adam fans actively trying to derail Kris’ career. I think she is dead on and to me takes the fanwars to an entirely different level”

      DeeDee, I think anyone who does that is seriously crazy and needs to get a life. There are always extremely nasty (generally homophobic) comments on Adam’s articles, but I don’t know if those are from Kris fans or just random rude people.

      It’s hardly going to derail Kris’s career, though–there have always been fanwars from what I’ve heard, and fans of the other idol never derail the other guy’s career, so don’t worry too much about it. :)

      It does seem, though, like saying “The other guys are even worse” is a pretty low bar. Being “not as crazy” as the craziest ones still makes you pretty crazy, you know?

    • marissa

      rollingmyeyes, if it helps, I love Adam’s music but I don’t think you have to like him. :) No artist appeals to everyone.

      • laila

        I think it’s very strange to call mocking someone “crazy.” You mention the livejournal site ontd_ai a lot, but you seem unfamiliar with the site from which it was spawned, ohnotheydidn’t, because the majority of that site enjoys mocking and disliking and making fun of celebrities. There’s nothing crazy about it. People enjoy talking about thinks they dislike.

        I actually like Adam, but anyone who refuses to recognize how vicious his fans are is either deluding themselves or is amazingly unaware of what goes on. There is a lot of hate for Adam in the comments of this site, but there are multiple Adam sites/boards where the main purpose is to hate Kris. I somehow doubt you are providing them with the same dissertations on how hating someone is wrong that you provide here. In any case, no one really cares about their private hating. It’s the things they do, as described above, to ensure Kris FEELS hated and to attempt to derail his career that most people have a problem with.

        Actively trying to ruin a man’s career and make him feel despised versus mocking and making fun of someone privately are very different things. You can dislike both, which is wonderful, but when it comes down to it, lumping the actions together as equally indicative of crazy fan behavior is ridiculous.

        • jukejoint

          Laila wins at life!! Slow clap for Laila!

        • Blue Eyes

          Agree with Laila 100%. To mock and make fun of is entirely different then actively trying to ruin someone’s career. I’ve seen Glamberts doing this time and time again. It all comes down to that they are still bitter that Adam didn’t win.

          • ross

            I probably do have the biggest problem with them trying to turn the readers of every article about Kris against him. “Arkansas cheated”, character assasination stuff, etc. I’ve never seen Kris’s fans do anything similar.

            Also, for the most part, no Kris fans go regularly to the Adam articles or blog threads, to spread shit. “This is nice for Kris, but why aren’t people buying his album?” “Kris’s voice is nothing special. I think he’ll do well behind the scenes in the music industry.” “Isn’t it odd that Kris is doing an ad for his college and he didn’t graduate?”

            Then there are the assessements of Adam’s talents, personality traits, and physical attributes. He is the greatest interview ever. A better friend to his fellow idols than they are to him. Incredibly articulate. Polite. Charming. Thoughtful. Brave. Brilliant. “Obviously” the “real singer” of the bunch, the “true” winner of Season 8 (“The Season Of Adam”). He looks “stunning” in “light makeup and just a touch of lip gloss”. His eyes are a “gorgeous” shade of teal.

            There are the people who go to the headlines thread on MJ’s and just post things like, “He just got an interview with Oprah!!” Or, “His song is charting in Luxembourg!!!” Without ever saying who they’re talking about.

            And of course: anyone who doesn’t like Adam is homophobic.

            I think this stuff is WAY more annoying than stuff Kris fans do. Just saying.

  • naiya

    On a completely unrelated note, I received my first pair of Tom’s Shoes today. They are way more comfortable than I expected, even after hearing everyone else rave about theirs. Yay!

    • dixiegal88

      Wow, we’re “soul mates” Naiya, I got my pair of Tom’[s yesterday. I got the tan burlap and I’m flailing and loving them at the same time. It is weird how comfortable they are.

    • blacklisted

      I recieved my first pair of Toms about a week ago and I LOVE them. Mine are red and they go with jeans, shorts, jean skirts, everything. They are so comfortable. I’m thinking of getting my mom a pair.

    • margie

      Seriously they are the most comfy shoes in the world. Up there with my Clark’s. Been wearing TOM’S for 3/4 yrs now. They rock!!

  • nerdgirl

    Still not banned – so much work!!! But I have a piece of information for Kerry’s book – in addition to Chick-Fil-A, AT&T, and Arkansas (wait for it…) MIT is involved. Yes, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. While browsing old treads on the other forum (middle age + insomnia) I discovered this:

    ” I go to MIT, and a group of about 300 of us, each has a VoiceShot Outbound (a phone dialer in our computers). On the AI finals show, we are all going to set our dialers to anyone BUT Adams number, so who’s ever in the top 2, hopefully Kris, that isn’t Adam, is going to be PUMMELED with votes from us. We figure we can get about 10,000,000 votes, since these VoiceShot Outbound literally can dial the same number 200 times or more a minute. WhoooHooo MIT FOR KRIS!!!!!”

    • margie

      When I was banned I just couldn’t post. Damn Wiki and saying it is not a credible source.

      • nerdgirl

        Oh, I should try this

        • naiya

          Awww! You’ve been working so hard. Hang in there!

          • nerdgirl

            Well, I had to read all their posts, and you know that their posts are usually super-looooong and booooooring. I gave up for now, but I will be back (Arnold voice, my own accent)

        • margie

          I said it to the Queen Stat Glambert though.

    • barado

      Geeks like Kris too? That may explain why he was at the CES convention as well.

  • nerdgirl

    Questions for you all: How do you know if you are banned at MJs? I have been working on being banned all day – tired of them Glamberts. Will she send me a nice note, or when I come there, I won’t be able to log in?

    • barado

      I don’t know at all, but I’m guessing a wave of tranquility will wash over your consciousness.

      • nerdgirl

        That is what I need. Every time I go to read Kris news (and sometimes there are news and links in the comments), some Glambert shows up… So, if I am going to wean myself from MJs, I will do it in a blaze of glory.

        • jmom376

          When you look at your last post, it might say waiting moderation or she might write you a nice little note saying your are banned or you are about ready to be banned for life. :] hmmm.. i It sounds like I have experience. LOL. If you want to get put into moderation point out the glitter brigade and laugh at them. I got banned for calling Tess a Kris fan because she knows so much about him and for saying that tiger92 was trying to bait Kris fans and that we shuold ignore her. That didn’t go over so well. LOL

          • Lauren

            The first time I posted there I was threatened to be banned for life. I post there very rarely. :)

        • jmom376

          LOL.. You did it. I didn’t get a chance to see what you said..

          “mj:
          05/08/2010 at 10:44 pm

          Reminder:

          To Nerdgirl.

          Why yes! Your ass is finally banned! And I’ve got a tip for you: You and your friends are as obsessively fangirlish as anybody you criticize.

          Lack of self-awareness for the win!”

    • On The Edge

      Hey nerdgirl, I just saw MJ announce that she banned you! Congratulations! *throws confetti, blows party horn*

      • nerdgirl

        Thank you! Thank you! I win!

  • kimberly

    Adam Lambert’s career will soon be in the toilet if he doesn’t get a younger, less obnoxious fanbase. These women will and are ruining his career. I don’t get them, never will get them. They are seriously messed up. Adam Lambert is the next Clay Aiken/Taylor Hicks. If he continues on this course with these women being the front and center of his music career, he’s doomed. I believe this fervently. NO joke.

    • marissa

      Dude, that’s the idol bubble mentality talking. Everyone has some crazy fans, some more so than others, but in the real world, no one cares about them. That’s why Adam’s doing pretty well in the real world, sales-wise and respect-wise. :)

      It is funny, because he clearly has a lot of younger fans in real life and seems to be considered “interesting” and “cool”–and I think Lauren and I are probably two of the youngest people here. :)

      • tinawina

        marisa, can I ask a serious question? That has got to be the 10,000 time I’ve read a fan of Adam’s who said something about an “Idol bubble mentality” lately. Is that the meme running around fanboards? Don’t get me wrong… all the fanbases come up with some rationale related to Why Their Idol Is Really Better Than Whatever The Common Criticism Is… LOL… so I’m not saying that Adam’s fanbase would be any different for coming up with that one. I’m just curious. Lately anytime I’ve seen any criticism of Adam’s sales or his crazier fans, someone inevitable pops back with that particular retort. It’s got me curious.

        • marissa

          I don’t know, I just go to ontd_ai and I haven’t noticed a meme like that there?

          And it’s not about proving Your Idol is Better (how would this prove that anyway?) –but the fan warring and the need to talk negatively about whoever you don’t like you don’t find that that’s a very Idol bubble kind of thing, and not something that really happens in the real world? Everyone has crazy fans (some of Gaga’s that I saw at her last concert in my area were pretty interesting, lol)–doesn’t it seem to you like no one cares about that in the real world? Or am I wrong?

          It’s not a blanket retort to guarantee anyone’s success. :) Adam is doing well, but obviously that could change at any time. It’s just the specific things that seem to obsess most Idol fans don’t seem to apply in the real world, and that’s why the mentality seems odd to me.

          • tinawina

            That’s fine. I’m actually not talking about the need to speak negatively about any Idol contestant or to prove one is better than the other. I’m in agreement that too much of that goes on everywhere. I was talking about how lately, whenever I read someone make a statement like “Adam’s sales are not that good” someone comes back and says something like “Adam’s sales are great, you only think that because you are thinking like a person in the idol bubble!”. I know over the years fanbases tend to build their own rationales on fanboards and when they do, you’ll see people suddenly all employing the same counter-argument at once. So I asked if this was one of those things. Apparently for you, it is not.

            Its all quite interesting to see play out, actually. I’m waiting for the inevitable dissertation to pop up on day. LOL

          • marissa

            I honestly don’t know enough about Idol sales to know what’s “in the bubble” or not, lol. :)

            I mean–as far as I can tell, I think Adam’s selling well? Not at superstar level or anything, but quite nicely, and enough to get a second album? :) I guess it’s tricky because people off idol aren’t new artists but they’re not established artists either and idol is a huge platform but it’s not what it once was, etc. So, I think Adam’s doing well and will get a second album, and as long as all that happens, things are good. :)

      • margie

        Marissa I see no hate on Adam here. It’s his fans. Kris’s fans are ran off from every other blog because they stampede it with the whole passive-aggressive concern posts which are straight up bullshit.

        • Kathy

          They never get we are making fun of them, not him.

          • marissa

            Kathy, I don’t think any reasonable person could claim with a straight face that there is not a lot of dislike/hatred and mockery of Adam on this blog in addition to the mockery of the crazy fans. And that’s the thing that confuses me–why do people feel compelled to talk so much about the guy they don’t like?

    • marissa

      And see, this is what I’m talking about that I don’t get about Idol fans. I haven’t been here that long, but I’ve already seen you make several pretty long posts about how much you don’t like Adam and how you’re sure he’ll fail. That’s totally fine to think that of course, but what compels you to talk about it so much? It’s like rabid Glamberts feel compelled to talk negatively about Kris all the time, and rabid Kristards feel compelled to talk negatively about Kris all the time, and then both sides accuse the other side of being the ones to do that.

      It’s just weird to me. Disliking an artist is completely fine and reasonable, but I’ve never seen anyone in real life really be so compelled to constantly discuss an artist they don’t like.

      • MissMyEm

        “

        I hope I did the quotes right.

        But here’s where there are differences. First of all I don’t care for Adam at all so I don’t follow him. Nor do I read his tweets just to sabotage him. THAT is the difference between the Adam BSC fans that we talk about so much. They seek things out to attempt to destroy Kris by building up Adam.

        So my question to those Adam fans is this: Why, if Adam is oh so grand and why if Adam is oh so talented…way more than Kris if they are to be believed…is it necessary to seek out areas just to disparage or harass Kris?

        Personally as a Kris fan or Kristard….whatever one wants to label it…I do not get my kicks from doing that. I stay on sites that support Kris. I may say things that are not always positive about Adam or his fans, but I don’t particularly seek out an area where Adam fans congregate just to piss them off, like some of them seem to enjoy doing to Kris fans.

        And you are right. That behavior is very juvenile.

        • MissMyEm

          Well I guess the quotes didn’t work…so here’s what I was replying to:

          QUOTE:
          “It’s like rabid Glamberts feel compelled to talk negatively about Kris all the time, and rabid Kristards feel compelled to talk negatively about Kris all the time, and then both sides accuse the other side of being the ones to do that. “

        • marissa

          I don’t know why some Adam fans feel that’s necessary. As I’ve said, Kris isn’t my thing musically, but he’s a nice guy and I don’t get feeling strong antipathy towards him.

          And no, I agree, doing it in public is worse than doing it in private. Fans of both seem to do it in public, although some more than others. But I don’t get the need to do it in private either?

          I’ve only been here a little while and I’m probably not going to stay, but I’ve seen a lot of posts where people make arguments about why Adam sucks and search out things to support that. In some ways, it’s private, and it’s certainly not as weird as the people who do it in public.

          But it just seems like everything positive about Kris here becomes about proving that he’s better than Adam. And like you said, if you like Kris, and think he’s talented, why is it so important to prove that he’s better? I like Adam. But I don’t feel the need to “bash” Kris, publicly or privately. He’s another artist I don’t particularly care for. There are many artists I like and many I don’t, and obviously everyone has different opinions when it comes to their artistic likes and dislikes. What seems odd about Idol fans is the need to, either publicly or privately, “prove” that their guy/girl is better.

          What you said, about not liking Adam and therefore not following him–that seems 100% reasonable to me. It’s the other stuff that doesn’t.

      • Verbally Dyslexic

        I think I like you.

        • Lauren

          Well, I KNOW I like her.

          • marissa

            If that’s to me, I like you too Lauren. :) If not, I like you anyway. :)

        • marissa

          Sorry, is that to me or to MissMyEm?

          • Lauren

            Oh, I assumed we were talking about you :)

    • kimberly

      Those in the IDOL BUBBLE are keeping Adam afloat, but they are also ironically going to be the ones who will bring him down. Media will pick up on the fans’ craziness taking it out of the IDOL BUBBLE. It’s always the adage there’s no such thing as bad publicity. Radio Program Directors, DJs, whoever, talk and will put up with just so much. Take a look at that billboard top 24 IDOL listing and see how much radioplay Clay Aiken and Taylor Hicks recieved. NOT MUCH! The very vocal Adam Lambert fans are closer to middle-aged than in their teens and twenties. My opinion, Marissa, has nothing to do with fan wars. It is my opinion about where I see his career going if he doesn’t broaden his fanbase, moving away from the IDOL BUBBLE.

      I thought it was funny when my husband, IDOL HATER, equated Adam to Tom Jones and sees him as a Vegas act. Jordin Sparks is headed to Broadway. They all seem to eventually end up there. I think that’s Adam’s niche and will succeed there.

      Something doesn’t feel right to me about Adam’s career at this point. I fear he’s going to end up a joke. There’s no denying the talent. It’s just a gut feeling I have that it’s going to go to waste if he doesn’t find the right outlet for it.

      I’m an adult. I don’t DO fanwars. It’s an opinion I’ve held to for some time now about Adam and his talent. The majority of his fans in the IDOL BUBBLE are NUTS!

      • marissa

        …Okay? All the capital letters make you sound a little childish though.

        I could be wrong, but my impression of why some people from idol don’t succeed is that they can’t get radio play. With a few exceptions, you need radio play to A couple DJs called out (reasonably) some of the crazier fans, but no one stopped playing the song and WWFM was still a hit and went platinum in the US, and WWFM and FYE both seem to be doing very well around the world.

        Adam does seem to be expanding his fan base beyond the idol bubble through exposure on radio and TV and other media, nd he has a lot of industry respect and a lot of young single-buying fans and fans of all types, and I hope he’ll continue to do so.

        Honestly, it seems more like wishful thinking on your part or again, the Idol Bubble mentality. I have no idea if he’ll be successful in the long term, but things are going well right now–he seems to be doing pretty well sales-wise and the album has been critically well-received.

        Again, who knows, but generally when you have Adam fans talking about how they think Kris is a failure or Kris fans talking about how they think Adam’s a joke, it’s more wishful thinking than truth. I don’t care for Kris musically but I don’t want him to fail just because some of his fans are crazy.

        And that’s one major area where they both seem to be doing well–LLWD and WWFM are both hits, and that’s not something a lot of people off this show get, if I’ve heard correctly.

  • LittleMissCynic

    Guys, according to Twitter, it’s #AdamLambertDay.

    Maybe that’s why the Glamberts were so offended. Kris made fun of middle-aged women’s dancing on their holiday. What was he thinking?

    • LittleMissCynic

      By the way, I made the mistake of reading the tweets. I think I’m scarred for life. Some people are so weird.

      But I was also enlightened by someone’s tweet that Adam is a “glittery bright star in a sky of mediocrity” so I should probably go buy 38 million copies of his album to prove that I am the biggest and the bestest fan.

    • Claire

      According to someone at TWoP it’s also Kris Day. A fan casually mentioned that in his/her post, and then someone had to jump in and say that it was just a one time deal last year and not something that happens annually, so basically STFU and stop making a big deal out of it. As if the Kris day poster actually thought banks and post offices would be closed in observance. But Lambert day must be legitimate because it trended on Twitter!!!111!!

  • et

    flove = flail + love? Wow, I am not up to snuff on my tardese.

    • Lauren

      It doesn’t. It means fucking love.

  • marissa

    Adam seems to have gotten a major bump in the UK from the Jonathan Ross interview, which is nice since he didn’t even perform. He did sing a couple lines a capella from WWFM and they showed a really good section of the FYE vid, plus the whole interview was funny and he looked gorgeous. :)

    This might sound ridiculous, but I sometimes get a feeling of being proud of him, which seems ridiculous since a) I don’t know him at all and b) he’s about 7 years older than I am so feeling all motherly seems odd. But w/e.

    Also, the UK itunes is apparently using the AllMusic review for the album, which is great.

    This whole twitter thing sounds too stupid to pay attention to (as do most things involving twitter) but it does seem like the more rabid Kristards and the more rabid Glamberts are the same in the sense that: for rabid Glamberts, everything Adam says is hilarious and great and everything Kris says is stupid or offensive. For rabid Kristards, everything that Kris says is hilarious and great and everything Adam says is stupid or offensive.

    I don’t know. I’m not an Idol watcher, just an Adam fan, so all the focus on what the “other guy” does, whether it’s Adam fans focusing on Kris or Kris fans focusing on Adam like so many seem to do here–it all seems juvenile and stupid to me, and very Idol-bubble. I like Adam. I follow his career and his music. I think Kris is nice but I don’t think he’s musically interesting, so I don’t follow him. I don’t get the obsession on both sides with following the one you don’t like.

    • Idoltard10

      I agree. However, it seems that you MUST go to bat these days. The comparisons won’t stop. Both sides guilty of it. Also, many fans like both, but favor one over the other and feel the need to defend constantly during comparison hour(which is pretyt much 24/7). And since im here, LittleMissCynic, thats pretty much what I meant. Kris is a deserving winner, but not over Adam. there ya go. gonna nap now. Happy Idoling.

      • marissa

        But you don’t need to go to bat. I don’t know, I guess it’s interesting to talk about sometimes and of course people always like to defend their favorite artists in any genre, but I definitely don’t feel the need to get involved in fan wars. Ugh. There is a difference between reasonable discussion and fan wars, I guess is what I’m saying, and the latter is never necessary.

        Incidentally I agree, I think Adam “should” have won in the sense that he deserved to win, but it could not matter less in the real world and obviously it didn’t affect how artistically respected or successful Adam is, so that’s not something I’ve ever cared about. :)

    • nerdgirl

      Correction: Kristard do not care, do not read and do not comment on Lambert’s tweets. This is the main difference

      • marissa

        Dude, even from my occasional forays into twitter, that is not true. There are always rabid fans of “the other guy” who comment on the tweets of the guy they don’t like.

        There also seems to be fairly constant discussion here of what people don’t like about Adam, which while not as weird as doing it on twitter, still seems as odd and kind of juvenile to me as Glamberts on their own sites constantly discussing what they don’t like about Kris.

        Again, speaking as a non-Idol fan, the focus on Adam that I see here from people who don’t like him and the focus on Kris I see elsewhere from people who don’t like him–that’s just weird to me.

        Anyway, the main point of the post was the cool UK things. Twitter and the internet in general will always yield stupidity, so that’s not shocking. :)

    • Lauren

      so all the focus on what the “other guy” does, whether it’s Adam fans focusing on Kris or Kris fans focusing on Adam like so many seem to do here–it all seems juvenile and stupid to me, and very Idol-bubble.

      Exactly. This may happen in other fandoms, but definitely not to this degree. I didn’t even know Idol fanwars existed until I stumbled upon online Adam fan communities. It’s so ridiculous, you should just focus on what you love, not what you hate. I love Kris and Adam so it depresses me when both sides say such awful things.

      • marissa

        I agree, Lauren. It just seems weird to me–although I do know that sometimes fans of the major “divas”–Beyonce, Gaga, Christina, etc. get into major wars of words about who’s better. :)

        But yeah, I’m glad I found Adam, but the fan wars stuff is so stupid and confirms why I never watched AI even when it was super popular when I was in middle school. It occasionally finds great talent, like Kelly Clarkson and Adam, but there’s so much immature fan warring involved.

        Fortunately no one in the real world cares about any of it. :)

        • Lauren

          Kelly will always be love. Idol can find great talent, but it is also such a dumb show sometimes.

          Fortunately no one in the real world cares about any of it

          Thank god!

        • nerdgirl

          Would any of Adam fans care to explain what is so special about him? Name 3 unique and interesting things he has done…

          • nerdgirl

            Scratch that, I don’t care. I just hope you have explanation for yourself.

            Apologies for offending anyone. Nerd-middle-aged-woman out!

          • marissa

            He hasn’t reinvented the musical wheel or anything, but he has a beautiful, unique voice, he’s really gifted and interesting as a performer and singer (phrasing, interpretive skills, physicality etc.), and the music that he has made so far is good and seems very promising. :)

            You 100% don’t have to like him or agree with me or anything. There’s no artist who appeals to everyone, obviously.

            That wasn’t the point of the post–the weird fan warring stuff, the intense focus on the guy you don’t like (whether it’s Adam or Kris) that I see on this site and elsewhere–that was my point. :)

    • MissMyEm

      I see your point. I don’t think Adam is musically interesting so I don’t follow him. To each his own I suppose.

      • marissa

        Yeah, that’s what I mean, MissMyEm–you don’t like Adam, you don’t follow him. That seems completely logical and reasonable to me. It’s the people who don’t like Adam or don’t like Kris and then feel compelled to follow them that seem weird to me. :)

  • Legend

    Can someone please send this to kk?

    http://bit.ly/9JD4S

    • Lauren

      LOL! It seems Chris Allon isn’t the only singer the Chick-fil-a has backed!

  • old bat

    I sincerely wish Kris would not put down his dancing skills so. I enjoyed watching him dance on Disco Night and would really like to see him dance in some future vid for a future single.

    • magnacarta

      my thoughts exactly. that boy can move. the disco number and the number with Santana at the finale where he moves his hips to a pseudo latino dance are proof enough.

      • ross

        Yeah, he’s a very good dancer in my opinion.

  • naiya

    I just have to say that the Kris fans out on other blogs today are cracking me up. LOL! I think they have definitely had enough of the BS. I’m guessing they may all get banned from their respective sites, though. Too funny!

  • deez

    Wow. You miss a lot when you’re gone for a few hours lol. This is SO stupid. Why should Kris apologize to Glamberts? They are the only ones who are offended, in truth, they aren’t offended at all–it’s just another excuse for a stampede.

    Anyway….what’s the context of that tweet? Was he at a party? A wedding? Just b/c the middle-aged women dancing at (whatever place/event he was attending) all had 2 left feet, doesn’t mean he was speaking of you personally. I’ve said it before, but Glamberts are sorely lacking in the sense of humor dept.

    Really Glamberts, when you were 20 yrs old …I know that’s a looooooong time ago….didn’t you think the oldsters who tried to look groovy doing the “Twist”, “Watusi”, or the “Mashed Potato” were a real drag?

    • old bat

      It’s the elephant in the room and we can’t say that they can’t dance, lest the avalanche of crazy fake-fans stampede over you ~yeah!

    • naiya

      LMAO at the Watusi! Yeah, for people who have been personally trying to destroy this guy’s career for the past year, they sure can get riled up pretty quickly.

    • jmom376

      Deez: He was out with a bunch of people last night. I am pretty sure he was talking about that specific event and not every single middle-aged women out there. But of course, some people choose to take it personally and swear off ever buying another Kris Allen CD.. Teehee.. Maybe they will burn the ones they have. LOL. I was thinking the same thing about the “twist” and “Mashed Potato” earlier. I also like the cabbage patch ;}

      • old bat

        You mean burn the ones they “have”, that they bought on Adam’s say-so like they bought Allison’s cd… oh wait.

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          LOL! They should also buy tickets to as many Kris’s upcoming shows, then stage a group walkout just as he comes onstage. That’ll teach him to insult them!

      • deez

        Deez: He was out with a bunch of people last night. I am pretty sure he was talking about that specific event and not every single middle-aged women out there.

        Yeah, that’s what I figured. He was tweeting about whatever he was doing last night with people he knew (and probably who weren’t offended in the least) , yet the Glamberts make it about THEM. Just like when he said “quality over quantity”. NO! He couldn’t have been complimenting his own fans (like any smart performer), he was dissing Glamberts!!!11!!!!Everything Kris does is all about Jellis Homephobic H8!!!111!!! *eyeroll*

        swear off ever buying another Kris Allen CD

        Good try Glamberts, you never bought one in the first place. Also, a big consolation HAHAHA to the Glambert trying to call out his spelling. Oh man, that’s a bit like Sasquatch telling you that you take up too much room on the couch.

    • jukejoint

      I kinda thought he was talking about how lame his hobbies are (as a group), not necessarily the dancing of anybody in particular.

      Or maybe his mom and his aunt were doing the Hammer Dance in front of him and he thought it was hilarious. Who knows?

      Tempest, meet teapot.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        I thought he was also making fun of himself and his friends, since rhythm was “nowhere to be found.”

    • LittleMissCynic

      The thing I don’t get is why someone would be super offended IF Kris had insulted their dancing? It’s dancing. It’s not like he’s calling a bunch of people homophobes, or trailer trash, or small-minded, or southern hillbillies. Because that’s insulting. And I’m sure it’s something that these Glamberts would never ever ever do.

      Oh, wait…

      • nerdgirl

        Oh, they just telling the truth…

        • cc

          Nerdgirl, pun intended?! LOL.

          • LittleMissCynic

            CC, is your monster part elephant? I’m jealous.

            It’s the elephant in the room and we pretend that we don’t see it…

      • Legend

        LittleMissCynic!!! PERFECT comeback! Love it!

    • Sandy

      He can make fun of my dancing anytime. I laugh at myself, I’m so bad.

    • dixiegal88

      Based on Kris’s recent tweet, he’s at his brother’s graduation. I’m just going to guess his tweet was about his mom and his aunts dancing to Brick House or something the night before at a graduation party. Of course it’s ALL ABOUT ME according to the glambots.

      • naiya

        No, it couldn’t have been about any specific middle aged women with no rhythym. He was definitely talking about ALL middle aged women and their dancing suckage. I just got done bopping around to “Second Hand News” by Fleetwood Mac, but now I’m going to fire up Brick House. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • Nich

    Aw is he backtracking now? Don’t backtrack Kris! Stand your ground! I am about to screw up the quote thing, I just know it.

    KrisAllen
    I don’t know if anyone has seen me dance but its not pretty.

    • Lauren

      Hmmmm let me try…I’ve never been able to do those either!

      testing…

      • Lauren

        Yessssssssss!

  • Nich

    Hmm, stop being a fan b/c someone said middle-age women can’t dance or stop being a fan b/c I was told I smell. Hmmm. Which one gets a bigger hissy fit?

    • jmom376

      The one that gets the bigger hissy, is the one that didn’t come from Adam’s mouth. LOL..

      There are some really pissed off middle-aged women over at MJs. LOL.. I think it is really funny.

      Here’s one of them..
      “05/08/2010 at 11:53 am

      I have been a Kradam fan for over a year and have been extremely upset and disappointed all day since reading Kris’s latest tweet this morning:

      Hobbies of mine: playing music, hanging with friends, and watching middle aged women dance. Rhythm is nowhere to be found.

      Whether his statement is true or not, and I don’t think it is, it shows an insensitive and thoughtless side of him that make public fun of other people. Imagine how middle age Kris fans will feel going to his concerts, getting carried away by the music, and dancing. You might think something privately, but don’t put it out there for everyone to see. It is just rude and mean.”

      • margie

        Oh good Lord. How many Kris fans still post there? Maybe 15 that aren’t in moderation, banned or just fricking left, bc its AO part deux now. I love how they come out in droves. So pathetic.

        • jmom376

          Margie: I don’t think there are many left at all. Plus I think most of us are too lazy to create new identities so we can continue to post. However, I am pretty sure that is what some of them do. I just need to learn to stay away from there. It’s so much more fun here :}

        • nerdgirl

          I am trying to get banned at MJs today. Have not succeeded yet, but it is fun to poke the cows. I wonder if Kris is poking them on purpose. I would love him so much more if he did…

          Any advice what I should say or to whom to get banned? I would wear it (ban) as a badge of honor

          • Lauren

            Is Pooporange there? If she is, insult her spelling abilities. K-R-I-S. A-L-L-E-N.

          • naiya

            Y’all are cracking me up over there. I can’t believe you haven’t been banned yet.

      • On The Edge

        Right below that a butt-hurt Glambert said that he was insulting the middle-aged female fans that voted for him and dance at his concerts…um, what? I thought we established this…Kris’ audience is primarily made up of both sexes in their teens and 20′s. What Ms. Butthurt is describing is ADAM’S fanbase (present company excluded of course).

    • Kate123

      I think Kris’ real middle aged lady fans are probably laid back enough to laugh at themselves…my mom gets a kick out of when she and her friends dance and doesn’t take it too seriously when I laugh at her

      • et

        Wow, I go offline for one day and boy do I miss out. So just like David Cook saying that he wouldn’t have glitter at his shows = HATEYOUGLAMBERTS… laughing at middle aged ladies in a context that you can’t possibly know also = HATEYOUGLAMBERTS. But saying your fans are smelly = LOVEYOUGLAMBERTS. Do I have that about right?

  • ross
    • Lauren

      “You proved the point. Kris does not promote Adam the way Adam does Kris. The birthday message was a lie. Kris did not attend Adam’s party. Keep in mind, the Idols work for the same people and have to keep up an appearance of friendship even if none exist. Adam knows what happened in Arkansas and since they cheated for the win do you think Adam likes being called the runner up?”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!111!!!!!!!!11 Not only did Kris cheat, but he didn’t really want Adam to have a happy birthday!!!!!!

      • J

        Oh please someone go comment that Adam totally ignored Cook’s good luck tweet when they both performed somewhere in CA on the same night. Funny how they don’t hold Adam to the same standards that they hold Kris.

        • margie

          Twitter is fun this morning!! Atleast Kris didn’t call his fans smelly. Glamberts are the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen.

          • ross

            It’s pointless to correct them, they’re scary relentless.

          • Nich

            lol thank you! Being called smelly is some how better than being told you can’t dance?? Unless I’m trying out for So You Think You Can Dance I don’t give a crap what you think of my dancing skills but saying I smell is crossing a line.

            Wait, no it’s not crossing a line it’s called being fierce and awesome and honest and a rawk gawd.

          • Idoltard10

            Here is the comment I posted on that artile..sidebar again TI…fan warring is bad, in my book, no matter which team you play for. pun intended.

            I Think Adam Lambert and Kris Allen use their twitter accounts for completely different purposes. Adam uses his to promote himself and countless other artists, including his fellow S8 Idols. Kris uses his to tweet randomness. Something else to take into consideration: Kris has admitted to being inarticulate and hating the PR aspect of being a celebrity. Its painfully obvious in certain interviews that he just isn’t comfortable. In fact, all the post idol top 2 stuff he did with Adam are the only interviews I can think of where he seems totally relaxed. I am a Glambert through and through, but I am also a huge Kradam fan. I love the bromance, and promote the fake romance. I think they will always have a healthy respect for each other, but I am equally sure that Kris must be tired of a win that really is a pretty hollow victory. He pretty much shared the title, and the guy he beat is more famous/talked about/interesting than he will ever be. I am sure there are moments when he wishes he HADN’T won. So many people that had him as a second or third pick turned against him the second Ryan announced his name, and he has endured the backlash ever since. That can’t be fun. I cringe every time I hear Adam called the ‘runner up’ because he should have won, and everyone except Kris’s fans-even casual fans that don’t even like to watch AI- think so. I love Kris, I really do. I think he needs some serious PR coaching though. It’s been a year now. He should realize that his every move will be criticized and he will be held to a ridiculous standard because of the AI upset. It won’t stop. I’m not saying he should be forced to use his twitter for anything he doesn’t want to use it for, but tweeting vids of ‘gay’ jokes, urinating, mocking old disabled ladies in casinos…he HAD to know that the people that are always looking for something to bash him for would jump right on that stuff. Also, I think some people that promote themselves as Kradam fans are really just Adam fans that follow Kris for Adam’s sake and every time Kris does the least little thing they don’t like their thinly veiled resentment will come foward. In short, the Fan warring needs to stop. I am sure Kris and Adam wouldn’t like it. Whether they are as close as they were on AI is THEIR business, not ours. But I am sure they do not hate each other as much as we, their fans, seem to hate each other.
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          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Please stop telling me your comment is running into the sidebar.

          • On The Edge

            That’s true. I don’t know if it’s your server or my browser, but no one’s running into the sidebar…the whole damn sidebar got knocked down to the bottom below the comments!

          • muzikizmi

            Idotard10

            It wasn’t Adam’s single going for adds last week. It was Kris’. So, why did Adam fire up his fans to request his song at radio, when it hadn’t even been released to radio? Maybe it was so they wouldn’t be requesting Kris’ song?

            Adam has done this every time Kris has something going on in his career. Kris is not late in mentioning Adam’s single, because it won’t even be released until Monday.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Fan warring isn’t going to stop just because Kris goes out and gets himself better equipped PR-wise. The batshit Glamberts will continue to harass him for as long as they feel that his win is undeserved, which is forever. Besides, no other group is feeling particularly offended by what he tweets, so I personally don’t think he needs to do anything just to appease the sparkle cows.

            But thanks for the concern.

          • margie

            I agree Kris and Adam use twitter for different reasons. Adam to promote and Kris well to be a normal 24 yr old guy. To get Kris to self promote would be like pulling teeth. Adam has no probs with it…hell he has already twitted twice this week to request his song. Both of their messages mirror their personality traits. They could learn from eachother. Mesh it not to be all PR and not all fun. Just a thought.

          • Idoltard10

            muzi and VD, I don’t care whether Kris tweets about Adam’s single or not. It’s his choice. My thing is this: fans spreading hate from both sides. Sure, the Glamberts are more vocal…but I honestly do love Kris too, and spent a lot of time last night enduring a DM attack on twitter because I told the ladies not to be offended by what he said. I just think that he should be more careful, or this sort of thing WILL continue. And before you say I really don’t like Kris at all, I bet I own more copies of his CD than the Kristards do. I just want us to all get along. That fucking title business is old, and this war should end. Maybe when the new idol is crowned later this month, the folks that like fighting will direct their fight to the new top 2.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            I bet I own more copies of his CD than the Kristards do.

            That’s gotten kind of old, too.

            You honestly think telling Glamberts to back off of Kris will end the fanwarring? I suggest you let them be and just enjoy the crazy because they’re not going to start listening to you all of a sudden.

          • muzikizmi

            Idoltard, I agree with you on one thing. Most Kradam fans are really Adam fans. The fictional protrait they have painted of Kris, as a hapless, fey, feeble sex toy for their rock gawd is not doing him any favors. I find it amusing, that many of the most adamant sparkle cow haters at Vote For The Worst, are gay men.

          • Lauren

            *eye roll*

          • Kate123

            “but tweeting vids of ‘gay’ jokes, urinating, mocking old disabled ladies in casinos…”

            Um…when did he tweet videos of gay jokes? I missed that one…

          • blacklisted

            oh Idoltard10, Kris is doing fine PR wise. He’s perfectly articulate and able to convey who he is by his tweets. Unfortunately, you are the one embarrassing yourself AGAIN with your dumb heifer tendancies.

    • J

      Idoltard10, Kris is honest and natural in a normal young guy kind of way. I hope he never becomes PR perfect. I prefer snarky and real to a self promotion machine. And for the record not everyone thinks that Adam should have won. As for how they use their twitter accounts, yes they are very different. I like that I get a sense of Kris’ personality from his tweets.

      • Idoltard10

        J, the whole point of that post was that they use their twitters for VERY different reasons. I ‘get’ Kris’s sense of humor, so I am rarely offended by the stuff he says. Usually, if I am taken aback by something, it is a knee jerk reaction that I quickly get over, because I realize he means no harm by it. He isn’t a religious zealot or a weirdo homophobe like Danny Gokey. As for the ‘who should have won’ that was to illustrate what Kris has gone through since he took a crown that a lot of people don’t think he deserved. I am a Glambert through and through, but Adam is just fine with it, so I am too. I don’t like him being referred to as a ‘runner up’ but whatevs, that’s what happened. Everyone should realize it won’t change.

        • LittleMissCynic

          Why don’t you like him being referred to as a runner up? He IS the runner up of season 8 of American Idol. Typically people consider than a pretty big accomplishment…

          • Idoltard10

            Because I wanted him to win. I admit it. Never made a secret of it. And yes, I am very proud of Adam’s accomplishments.

          • LittleMissCynic

            I understand wanting him to win. But whether you like it or not, he IS the runner up. Should we not call Kris the winner because a lot of people didn’t want him to win? Maybe we shouldn’t call Allison the 4th place finisher because I wanted her to finish higher.

          • Idoltard10

            LittleMissCynic, if Adam is happy, I’m happy. I was actually a Kradison fan that favored Adam above the other 2. I wanted Adam #1, Allison #2, Kris #3. Spent some time digesting the result for about a month, then realized Adam would be fine either way. I want ALL the S8 idols to be successful. It’s my fave season ever. But, I admit the Glambert in me still thinks he rightfully won. I guess that’s where I’m BSC…or maybe just human? IDK, either way, people here will think I hate Kris no matter how many times and ways I say I don’t, so it’s a pointless debate.

          • LittleMissCynic

            Idoltard, I’d definitely describe that as crazy. I mean, it’s been a year and you still don’t like the fact that Adam is called the runner up? That’s a little crazy. And I hope I’m not offending you by saying that. Because that’s not what I’m trying to do.

            And what do you mean by “rightfully won”? Do you believe the Kerry Kolsch stories? Or do you just think that Adam deserved to win? Because in my mind, the person who “rightfully won” was the person who got the most votes. And as far as we know, that person was Kris.

            And regarding you liking Kris and people not believing you…I think people have a hard time believing you because of just how passionate you are about Adam. I mean, it’s hard to understand why someone who likes Kris would think he isn’t a deserving winner. And I understand the whole liking Adam more thing, but if you like Kris at all, it doesn’t make sense for you to constantly compare him to Adam. They are two different people. Why does Adam always have to be called the better man in any given situation? Today it’s Adam’s better than Kris at PR. Tomorrow it’ll be Adam is better that Kris at performing. It’s just hard to understand how you can like someone you apparently think is bad at everything.

          • Lauren

            LittleMissCynic, ITA. I do admit, that I was rather shocked by the results…for maybe a couple of hours. As you all probably know, Adam is my favorite, but that doesn’t mean that Kris is an undeserving winner. The way I think about it is similar to something Adam would say when asked about how he felt about losing. They are both extremely talented and worthy of winning. It basically came down to whose style of music you preferred.
            The comparisons need to stop. I don’t like hearing that Kris stole the title from Adam (whether by legal or illegal means). He deserved it. So did Adam. Kris got it. The end.

          • LittleMissCynic

            Lauren, thank you for being sane. And for being the most awesome Adam fan I “know”. I’m glad he has fans like you. Even if they tend to get overshadowed by the BSC ones.

            And like I said, I totally understand being angry that Kris won. It’s normal to be disappointed. But yeah, that anger should have lasted a few hours. Maybe a few days. But not a whole year!

            And yeah, I agree. I hate when people say that Kris didn’t deserve to win. Because he did. It’s not like Adam losing was some grave injustice or something. Kris just got more votes. And the part that makes me the most angry is that it’s not like Adam is suffering because he didn’t win. He’s doing very well for himself. Maybe not as well as the BSC Glamberts like to claim, but he’s doing fine. He’s got a CD out. He’s touring this summer. I just fail to see what there is to still be disappointed about, ya know?

          • Lauren

            Lauren, thank you for being sane. And for being the most awesome Adam fan I “know”. I’m glad he has fans like you. Even if they tend to get overshadowed by the BSC ones.

            Awwww <3

            And the part that makes me the most angry is that it’s not like Adam is suffering because he didn’t win. He’s doing very well for himself.

            Exactly. Adam is doing great despite not winning the title. So does it all really matter when both of them accomplished their goals? They both have started wonderful careers that I hope will last a long time. Adam winning wouldn’t really have made his career do any better.

            Ok, I’ll stop abusing the blockquote now.

          • LittleMissCynic

            Idoltard, I’m going to respond to your comment towards me up here since it fits in with the rest of our conversation.

            First of all, I’m sorry to “pair” you with Kerry. I don’t mean to imply that you’re anything like her. I just wanted you to clarify what you meant by “rightfully won”.

            And I’m not saying that being an Adam fan means that you hate Kris. I’m addressing your comments that you don’t think Kris is a “deserving” winner. I don’t understand how you can say that you like him, but then in the same sentence be like “he totally didn’t deserve it.” If you had just said, “Hey, I like him, but I didn’t want him to win” it would have made more sense. The difference being you didn’t WANT him to win, not that you found him to be incapable of winning. And maybe that’s what you meant, and I’m just misinterpreting what you’re saying. It’s been a long day.

            Regarding the whole pot meet kettle comment…I think people understand when they come here that snarky comments are the norm. And frankly in that one screenshot of Adam w/the bird, he did look ridiculous. If that had been Kris I would have said the same thing. If that had been my mother I would have said the same thing. Saying that someone looks like shit isn’t as serious as you’re making it.

            Regarding the whole PR thing, y’all are freaking out over something that in the words of Adam Lambert “ain’t that deep”. I mean, Kris was laughing a people’s dancing. Their dancing. He wasn’t implying that middle aged women are the worst people ever to walk the face of the earth. Why get so defensive over a comment about dancing? Frankly, Kris doesn’t need PR training. BSC Adam fans need to learn not to take things so seriously. I’d be willing to teach classes in Not Taking Life So Seriously 101.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I’m sorry. I haven’t checked the comments since before I left work yesterday. Now going through them…

            I don’t recall there being an Adam Lambert story listed in today’s Idol Quickies.

          • Lauren

            I thought you said Idol Quickies was a sort of free-for-all since we lack the ability to stay on topic?

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I know :)

            I just had to go through 10 pages to see how it “derailed.” Heh. Very entertaining.

          • old bat

            Adam Lambert is always on topic! He is the centre of the universe and the answer to all questions, and his word is law except for the inconvenient ones like It’s not that deep and the sexiness of entitlement and If you’re offended tough shit and love overcoming hate.

          • Lauren

            Haha, my point was that I didn’t know we were even supposed to be staying on-topic!

          • et

            LOL, Lauren, the blockquote-ing is addictive. Got some instructions from TI and went hog wild blockquoting. I try to control myself ;)

            And I still say that you should give “How to Be a Sane Glambert 101″ classes…

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I adore block quoting. No need to stop!

            Lauren is an excellent block quoter.

          • Lauren

            Lauren is an excellent block quoter.

            Thanks! It is my new passion!

          • Lauren

            LOL et, but no one would sign up for them! All the BSC are perfectly certain of their own sanity.

      • Blue Eyes

        I love Kris’ tweets. He seems more real and does reveal more of his personality. On the other hand, Adam tweets more about self-promotion.

        • Lauren

          He also promotes his fellow Idols/ friends. Though, so does Kris so I have no clue what is going in the heads of the BSC.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            But he doesn’t promote Adam!!!111!!1

            Maybe he should cut a deal with the Glamberts. If they each go out and buy his CD he’ll tweet something pro-Adam once a day for a week!!

          • Lauren

            LOL! With all that extra money that they spend on extra copies of FYE, I am sure they would like this deal. BUT WHAT IF THIS CAUSED KRIS’S ALBUM SALES TO GO HIGHER THAN ADAM’S?
            You have to think of these sort of things.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            You’re right. Too many unpredictable variables.

            But wait! I’m sure they could also spend a little bit more to push Adam’s album sales to platinum. Everybody wins! Just Adam wins a bit more.

          • Lauren

            Everybody wins! Just Adam wins a bit more.

            Sounds perfect! LOL!

          • nerdgirl

            I don’t think Adam writes his tweets. I suspect, his PR person does most of his tweets. They are so generic and impersonal. Although, I don’t think Adam has much of a personality (with the exception of being gay, there is nothing interesting about him).

            Disclaimer: The only Adam’s tweets I ever read are the ones quoted by people on Kris’ threads on MJ, Vote for the Worst, or here.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            I love you, Nerdgirl. LOVE YOU.

          • nerdgirl

            Well, thank you. I am thinking of changing my name to the nerd-middle-aged-woman-with-no-rhythm-but-with-multiple-advanced-degrees. Thinking it will make me respected by “young” Glamberts, who claim to exist on MJs and claim to respect their elders, especially educated ones.

          • Lauren

            Nerdgirl, he has made waaaay too many slip ups for his tweets to be written by a PR person. It’s definitely Adam.
            I don’t agree with you about the personality thing but it’s your opinion.

          • Idoltard10

            LittleMissCynic, I don’t think Kris is bad at ANYTHING, much less everything. I just think he needs some PR work to avoid the backlash he gets all the time, that’s all. As for performing..Adam is the hot sex, Kris is the cig after. As for the comparisons…will always happen, like it or not. Just because I think Adam is better doesn’t mean i dislike or hate Kris. I think that logic in itself is BSC. Glambert MUST = Kris Hater. It makes no sense to me. But whatevs. Oh, and for the record, all of you here posting about GLambert hate do the same damn thing. That people mag post was FULL of hateful, mocking comments about Adam himself. In fact, one poster even said he looks like shit. direct quote. Sooooo…pot calling kettle, back and forth. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Liking Adam Lambert doesn’t meant hating Kris Allen. Seriously. Oh, and go to the kolsch threads, LittleMissCynic, and read the posts on her book. Lauren, deez, and others can tell you I don’t support that AT ALL. Please never pair me with her again.

          • Lauren

            Just because I think Adam is better doesn’t mean i dislike or hate Kris.

            It’s more of the undeserving winner stuff.

            That people mag post was FULL of hateful, mocking comments about Adam himself.

            I agree. Just because there are more instances of Glamberts acting ridiculously toward Kris, doesn’t mean that the Kristards aren’t guilty of similar behavior to a lesser degree.

      • Idoltard10

        VD, old or not, I know that many Kristards that post here believe that being a Glambert means you hate Kris Allen automatically, so old or not, I will beat it into your heads that that rule doesn’t apply to people like me.

        • muzikizmi

          I will beat it into your heads

          No you won’t.

          Every time you visit, you have one extremely long post, in which you point out all of the ways that Adam was the real winner of AI. You restate for the eleventieth time, every charge of Kris’ inferiority, so that it will be on the record one more time for new readers to see. Then, after laying it all out one more time, you decry the fan warring.

          It would be like *insert nuclear power here* emptying their nuclear arsonal in a global attack, and then calling for a cease fire. It is disingenuous at best.

          • Idoltard10

            whatever. go to AO and read my posts in the Kradam section and you will feel otherwise. I won’t pretend I don’t think Kris didn’t deserve that title for your sakes, but I also won’t pretend to hate him for the sake of the Kris haters. There’s your answer.

          • Idoltard10

            When have I ever said Krissifer was inferior? NEVER. Anyway, ur an Adam/Glambert hater(obviously) so you and I will agree on nothing. Best to let this go, methinks.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Krissifer is also an unacceptable word. Please do not use it on this site. Thank you.

          • jukejoint

            OH MY GOD THANK YOU!!!!!

          • jukejoint

            My “Oh my God thank you” was for excising Krissifer. I hate it so much I don’t even want to repeat it to say I hate it. Lisping six-year-old My Pretty Pony = Kris***er.

          • magnacarta

            thank you, thank you, thank you! what a horrid nickname

          • deez

            YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

          • jukejoint

            EXACTLY! There is more fanwarring in that one post than anybody else has done here in a hundred. Bitterness that Kris won (KRIS WON, btw, since supposedly nobody knows that, just thought I would remind you), talk about how bad at PR he is while Adam is a pro (when Adam was the one who called his fans smelly and pushy), spouting the Glambert party line about all the ways in which Kris supposedly sucks (with the wheelchair lady in the casino brought up yet again, again FANWARRING) and on and on and on.

            I have wondered whether Idoltard10 is some mysterious alter ego of Q3 or tiger92 or SweetSexySean or somebody else who thinks it’s funny to construct a supposed Kradam tard persona (who goes around making the EXACT SAME arguments all the full-out BSC Glamberts do) under the guise of “But I love Kris and own 11 copies of his cd! More than you!!!!!!!!”

            All while using a hideous name for him that nobody who really respected the guy for five minutes would use since it makes him sound like a six-year-old, lisping My Pretty Pony and coming up with lots of gay male sex fantasy about him and Adam that no lesbian in her right mind would go near. Did we learn nothing from SweetSexySean?

            Fake smells like FAKE to me.

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          Dammit, my laptop shut down on me just as I clicked ‘submit comment’!

          Idoltard, I don’t think you get it. Perhaps in Glambert terms, the number of copies of the same CD is indicative of one’s fan status, but for Kris fans, particularly here, that holds no value. If you like Kris, you like Kris. Toting around your numerous copies of Kris Allen’s CD doesn’t earn you a trophy. It earns you a ‘tard’ label and endless mockery for being an OTT Kristard.

          • Idoltard10

            guess that makes me an OTT Glambert and an OTT Kristard then. I own 28 copies of For Your Entertainment, and countless digital versions of singles/vids, with the international versions en route. I also own several digital copies of Kris’s first single and 11 hard copies of his CD.

          • Lauren

            I don’t mean this in an insulting way, but why? I understand getting the international versions for the new album art/ bonus tracks, but why would you get multiple copies of the same exact CD?

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Exactly. What is the point? Do you listen to them all, or hang them as party decorations? I would understand buying another copy to replace the one your friend ‘borrowed’ (that happened to me with some other CDs), but 28 and 11 copies? What for?

          • Idoltard10

            Forcing them to chart. IF lots of us do it, it impacts numbers.

          • Nich

            ITA! Why do I need to buy x amount of copies of Kris’s cd to prove that I’m a fan. I bought one. That’s enough!

          • Idoltard10

            jukejoint, here is every account I own on the net. twitter:glambertgalore krisallenofficial:glambertgalore. Adamofficial:gaore@camp. Mj’s:idoltard10. here:idoltard10. myidol:glambertgalore. How is what I am saying fan warring? I pointed out that their twitters are used for different reasons. Anyway, nope. no sock puppets/alter egos here. Just honesty. Disagree with me all you like, but don’t insinuate that I am some kind of con artist.

        • nerdgirl

          Sorry, but from the things you say about Kris I see that you don’t like him much…

          • Idoltard10

            Actually, I do. Agree to disagree. Not gonna fight with people that assume things just because I call myself a Glambert.

          • cc

            Idoltard10,

            So, you are an Adam and a Kris fan. Based on your 99999th comments, you’re a bigger Kris fan compared to other Kris fans because you bought multiple copies of his cd. I get it and thank you for clarifying. ::eyerolls::

            Let’s cut the BS, please? Okay, but based on your comment in that beatweek article, you’re one of the typical concerned fans. Yes, you’re right that Adam and Kris uses their twitter for different purpose most of the time.

            It’s painfully obvious in certain interview that he just isn’t comfortable. In fact, all those post idol top 2 he did with Adam are the only interviews I can think of where he seems totally relaxed.

            ~Thank God for Adam Lambert. ::eyerolls:: Concerned much?! (Newsflash:Kris have done soo many interviews alone since post Idol top 2 that are not painfully uncomfortable. Yep, I can see you’re really a fan.

            And this is a keeper.

            …but I am equally that Kris must be tired of a win that is really a pretty hollow victory.

            Oh wait, there’s more.

            …the guy he beat is more famous/talked about/interesting than he will ever be. I am sure there are moments that he wishes he HADN’T won.

            ~B*tch please. Can I say, moooo?

            (Sorry for a long post but that paragraph is full of gems. I’m not even done with the second part, eh? ;) )

          • naiya

            Ha! “I see your lips moving, but all I’m hearing is mooooo!” I’m sorry…I just keep hearing this in my head today and it’s making me laugh.

          • Idoltard10

            cc, eyeroll all you want. so glad to see ur inside my brain and have decided for me that I hate Kris Allen. Don’t address me again, hater.

          • DeeDee

            cc, I love you.

          • cc

            LOL. Did I say you hate Kris Allen ? As I said, you’re one of the concerned fans. Hey, at least you’re a fan. Right?! ::eyerollswhilerollingonthefloor::

            PS: I’m a bitter homophobic hater and a Worster. *evil laugh*

        • Idoltard10

          auren, thanks for agreeing. I don’t condone hateful comments toward ANY idol(well maybe Danny Gokey, but he REALLY IS A HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHE, and his preacher and family should burn in hell). But how is what the GLamberts do worse than what Kris fans do here. I understand the need to defend Kris, his win,etc…its very real what he goes through/endures as a result of backlash due to voting he had nothing to do with. But its still hate mongering, which is still wrong, any way you shake it out.

          • old bat

            Danny Gokey strikes me as an awkward, socially unaware person who has no idea how he comes off, but well-meaning and sincere. Almost everyone who has met him say the same thing, that he is a warm and good-hearted man. Nice that you do not include him in the people who should burn in hell.

            And for the record, I think Adam is a very nice and charming young man , if occasionally given to saying somewhat questionable things. As a huge fan of his, I’m sure you can list more incidents than I can. Neither Kris nor Adam are perfectly slick PR machines, and you know what, I don’t care. I just find a number of his more vocal fans very much not nice or charming, and wish they wouldn’t distress themselves so much over someone they obviously do not enjoy paying attention to.

          • Idoltard10

            oops, old bat, he should too. What he said in that live chat about gay people proves he’s a bigot. Never apologized for the ‘right godly’ vid either. Michael not only apologized and learned why it was bigoted, he spoke out against homophobic Lambert hate after the AMA’s. So yes, Gokey, go to hell.

          • old bat

            Yup, he should burn for all eternity for being ignorant and awkward.

        • lostbrigade

          I just think he needs some PR work to avoid the backlash he gets all the time, that’s all.

          The only backlash he is getting is from people he already dislike him and don’t give a shit if his career fails. In fact most of them would be happy if that happened. The only use they have for anything he says is if they can twist it to make Adam Lambert look superior.

          • ross

            The so-called “backlash” Kris gets “all the time” is solely from Glamberts. It’s a backlash against his winning AI and nothing else.
            Is there really anyone, except them, who doesn’t think he’s one of the greatest, most genuine, coolest guys around? Everyone likes him and knows he means nobody any harm. He doesn’t need PR lessons. If these jerks are all mock-offended by his harmless tweets, etc., screw ‘em.

  • J

    Poor Kris, he made a tactical error last night with one of his tweets. Now the hordes are attacking.

    “Hobbies of mine: playing music, hanging with friends, and watching middle aged women dance. Rhythm is nowhere to be found.”

    Then Matt fed the flames with his reply to Kris.

    ImMattGiraud @KrisAllen Ooooooooooooohhh!!!!! Got em. Someone had to say it.

    gsob822 @KrisAllen This middle aged woman used to consider herself ur fan, but don’t like to be made fun of while dancing.

    ladyover50 RT @krisallen you REALLY have to stop with the middle aged women comments. We are some of your biggest fans and it HONESTLY hurts our fe …

    Donna_jpg_new_normal donnasn @KrisAllen um…i know lots of middle aged women who can dance kris…don’t knock the cougar set- they buy your music too ;-)

    Default_profile_0_normal musicalyte1 Why do u watch Adams fans dance? RT: @KrisAllen Hobbies of mine: playing music, hanging with friends, and watching middle aged women dance.

    sgjools @krisallen I’m a middle aged woman that bought your crappy album. Won’t be doing that if you get another one.

    @ImMattGiraud Is Kris Allen a middle aged or elderly woman? Then I fail to see how his douche tweets are him ‘laughing at himself’

    gatr_girl @KrisAllen My hobby is watching reality tv contestants insult huge portions of their target consumer group. I guess we’re both giggling now.

    MyAdamgasm @KrisAllen Kris, making fun of middle age women is a good way to lose ticket and cd sales. You have just lost mine.

    Kyrie1012 @KrisAllen should be grateful for those middle aged women. They are the only reason he won.

    If you click on the names of the people tweeting at Kris you will see that a lot of them are Adam fans too. I thought it was funny and I’m a bad middle aged dancer. He was just saying what I’m sure every single male idol has thought.

    • J

      I just found this posted further down the thread. TI can you delete it for me?

    • muzikizmi

      For Vote For The Worst fans, there is this from Fallen Angel Gabriel
      @FallenAngelGabe Uh oh! @KrisAllen caused a #SparkleCow STAMPEDE!

      • naiya

        Oh Noes! It’s a “complete and udder meltdown”! (hat tip to Kimberly)

    • Nich

      Oh these are just too too funny.

      • muzikizmi

        Oh these are just too too funny.

        Seriously! Like anyone with a twitter name of Adamgasm was ever going to buy a Kris Allen concert ticket anyway. Don’t they realize the rest of the world is laughing AT them, and not WITH them?

    • ross

      As if someone named “MyAdamgasm” is even a fan of Kris Allen.

    • Blue Eyes

      This tweet kills me…

      “Kyrie1012 @KrisAllen should be grateful for those middle aged women. They are the only reason he won.”

      What she’s really saying is, “I voted for you, so now I’m entitled to a piece of your ass.” Idol fans are not entitled to anything. If you like his music, buy it. If you want to go to a show, then go. But, other than that, Kris Allen owes you absolutely nothing.

      • ross

        For Christ’s sake, it was just a harmless little comment. He didn’t say “middle aged women suck,” he just said they have no rhythm. Take a joke, folks.

        • margie

          And of course no hate on Matt. They are so obvious.

      • muzikizmi

        Kyrie1012 @KrisAllen should be grateful for those middle aged women. They are the only reason he won.

        No, most of those middle aged women voted for Adam. Kris got some, but Adam owns that demographic.

        Kris said at the VH-1 thing yesterday, with the school kids, that this (the kids) were his core base. I think the peeps at Jive have finally figured out, what we figured out a year ago. Kris got most of the younger AI fans, and Adam got most of the older AI fans. It shows up in the concert audiences. Most are under 35 at Kris’ concerts. Most are over 35 at Adam’s concerts. Adam sells albums (older demo), Kris sells singles (younger demo).

        • J

          Sometimes I think I am the only woman over the age of 40 who doesn’t find Adam attractive. But my taste in men is a little different. Sam Neil, Hugh Laurie, Viggo Mortensen all hot in my eyes.

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Hugh Laurie… I flove him. He and Viggo are seriously multi-talented.

          • nerdgirl

            I am puzzled why any woman of any age would find Adam attractive… But I am mostly attracted to smart men. Adam is not too smart.

          • magnacarta

            I’m a woman under 25 and I appreciate Hugh Laurie. I don’t know what that says about me though lol I don’t find Lambert attractive either.

          • Sandy

            I LOVE Hugh Laurie and Viggo! And also don’t find Adam attractive. But Kris is a cutie!

          • justpeachy

            J, I’m with you on this one. At the dinner table one night, my 17 yr. old daughter was telling us how half the girls at her all-girls school have a crush on Hugh Laurie. My husband and I both said, “But he’s 50 years old!”

        • summersnow

          I’m in my 20s and I find Adam as disgusting as shit. Just dislike men who like to dress themselves like drag-queens and pile on tonnes of make-up to make themselves look edgy.

      • leastofall

        Kris tweeted

        KrisAllen
        I don’t know if anyone has seen me dance but its not pretty.
        half a minute ago via Echofon

        • Nich

          How the heck do you do quotes?

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Use “<>” instead of “[ ]“

          • leastofall

            @ Nich

            TEXT

          • leastofall

            LOl!! sorry about that (sorry, i’m stupid!), but VD’s got it covered!

        • leastofall

          and he deleted the earlier tweet.

          • Nich

            I’m sad he deleted the first tweet. And thanks for the help with the quotes!!

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            Ikr? If he’s going to be snarky, I say go all the way! Besides, the Library of Congress probably has it filed away already.

            Oh, and you’re welcome Nich! :)

  • Kate123

    Jesus…some people seem to be all over Kris’ “heroin” tweet.

    “Can someone please tell Kris Allen what a ‘heroine’ is. Geez did this guy REALLY go to college? LMAO!!!”

    That was literally said by the same woman that thought Kris actually bought a houseboat.

    Also isn’t it politically correct nowadays to use non-gender specific words? Like it’s male and female heroes, male and female actors, male and female flight attendants?

    • justpeachy

      So she’s assuming that the flight attendant is female?

    • muzikizmi

      “your’re my heroin” is a line from an Active Rock hit song by Papa Roach. It is not herione.

    • Paulie

      At least Kris can spell. (Yep. I went there. I’m going to hell).

      That heroin tweet was sooo 3(?) days ago. Did that tweet just happen today? At least from what I’ve seen there was no backlash against him for promoting illegal drugs, or being mean to people who can’t pronounce properly. Or texting on a plane for that matter. :P

  • margie

    I guess they are starting to announce Maroon 5 dates. This is for June 25th but doesn’t say what city.

    Warning it’s kind of loud at the start
    http://www.tourdesigncreative.com/media/approved/Maroon%205%20sg%20Kris%20Allen%20&%20VV%20Brown/

    • muzikizmi

      Suuuweeet! Gina Orr (Kris and Allison’s publicity rep at Jive) tweeted that more Kris tour dates would be announced on Monday. I hope there are lots of them TBA with Maroon 5. One near me, please!

      • Paulie

        I love how Gina is now giving updates regularly. KAO is now up-to-date as well. I guess the hullaballoo over “The Truth” in the website made TPTB realize that Kris does have fans.

        • Paulie

          ETA: I envy those who’ll get to see Maroon 5 and Kris together. I’ve seen them separately and I now I can’t stop thinking how awesome a possible duet/collab would be.

        • muzikizmi

          I googled Verizon Wireless Arena, and it is in Manchester, NH. So, this could be a Friday evening road trip for Bostonians. Too bad, I am in Florida. :(

          • muzikizmi

            The Verizon Wireless holds up to 11,770 people for an end stage concert. I love that Kris is opening for some of the biggest acts in soft rock. This is exposing people from outside the Idol bubble to his music.

          • ross

            Verizon Wireless Arena was the last stop on the Idols tour last year.

        • muzikizmi

          Yeah, I guess the revolt had a positive effect. at least Jive knows we exist now.

    • MissMyEm

      It’s in Sun City, wherever that is. Isn’t Vegas called Sun City??? Or wherever Verizon Wireless Arena is. July 25. I’m thinking it’s on the West Coast because Kris will be with Keith Urban in Paso Robles, CA on July 28 and in Santa Barbara, CA July 22 and in L.A. Also at that time. I may not have my dates straight, but the timeline is correct.

      Oh ETA. I see someone said that Verizon is in NH. Is that the only Verizon Center? I know there are several Nokia Centers throughout the country.

      • jukejoint

        I know of two Sun Cities, but I know there are more of them than that. One is in Arizona. Like a suburb of Phoenix. I’m not aware of any arenas in that Sun City, just white people over 55 who golf and swim and own pretty little Del Webb houses that they can’t sell to anybody under 55. It’s a planned community where everything is sparkly and pretty and oldsters go to retire. I think the Del Webb developments called Sun City exist in places other than Arizona, but that’s the one I’ve been to. (Relatives live there.) No possibility of concerts there, in my estimation. But there are tons of arenas close by, in Glendale, where lots of teams play various sports, and in Phoenix.

        The other one is in South Africa, and I only know about it because it used to have HUUUUGE concerts by the HUUUUGEST acts, and during apartheid, there was a campaign among a group of artists to boycott, and somebody or other had a song, “Not gonna play Sun City.”

        Vegas is SIN City.

        Wikipedia says there’s a Verizon Wireless Arena in Manchester NH, a Verizon Wireless Center in Mankato MN, a Verizon Arena in Little Rock, AR, and a Verizon Center in Washington DC.

        • On The Edge

          Damn it, I’m hoping it’s the one in DC…I’m going to be in the area on that date and I’d LOVE to go!

          • Lauren

            I am hoping for DC too :)

          • et

            Oh, gimme a DC date, I would like to go. I don’t think I’m up for hauling my lazy but out to Merriweather ;)

          • Lauren

            I live so close to Merriweather but I am going to be on vacation!!!!! GRRRR!

    • jukejoint

      I was finally able to listen to the ad. It says Verizon Wireless Music Center (those words exactly) so I googled that, and got one in Indy and one in Birmingham. I spent about ten seconds all excited it might be Indy, but they already have Foreigner/Styx on June 25. Unless Foreigner/Styx (to whose concert I would never, ever, ever, ever go) have canceled or something, I am guessing it’s Birmingham, Alabama.

      I’d really rather have Indianapolis, thankyouverymuch.

  • Paulie

    Similar to what others here did, I started backtracking Richard Lawson’s Idol recaps and I’m officially in love with ‘em. :) (As a Kristard, it helps that his last season’s recap are very positive to HBD). caspar downthread mentioned Jacob of TWoP and I tend to agree that the Gawker recaps are reminiscent of Jacob’s bitching. ;) And I love Jacob recaps!

    Siobhan’s Idolatry interview was quite interesting. I held my breath when I saw that it’s in 8(?) parts, given how looong and slooow she seemed to talk during post-perf interviews. Turned out pretty good actually.

  • Blue Eyes

    Did everyone see this tweet from Kris? I love snarky Kris!!

    KrisAllen Hobbies of mine: playing music, hanging with friends, and watching middle aged women dance. Rhythm is nowhere to be found.

    • barado

      I came home, saw that tweet, and had to come here to see if anyone mentioned it. It’s so appropriate he finds humor in that.

    • muzikizmi

      He must have been watching the crowd at a Glambert concert.

      • muzikizmi

        I do get the feeling, that lately, he is trying to purge the sparkle cows from his Twitter feed. There are a few who have gotten so graphic with their gay porn fantasies, that it is making it really hard to read any of it.

      • jmom376

        LOL. I was thinking the same thing. They are the ones that are offended. The elephants are laughing with him.

        • Verbally Dyslexic

          I bet Kris and the guys spent many a night during the Idol tour teasing Adam about his fanbase. It’s hilarious how Glamberts lurve how unfiltered their rawk gawd gets, yet are so quick to be offended when Kris does the same.

          • Kathy

            Yes I would like those socially enlightened bsc glamberts to explain how it does not work both ways. I know a bsc that actually has a signature line saying “If I offended anyone-tough shit…Adam Lambert” But she is the first one whining if Kris says something she of course finds morally repugnant.

            Maroon 5? I hope there is a date for that near me.

        • Paulie

          Ooh! “Elephants”? Is this now the official mascot/term of endearment/mockery for Kristards? ;)

          • Verbally Dyslexic

            The fans started using elephants as their Twitter profile pics in support of the new single. I think even his own mum and his publicist changed their profile pics as well.

          • Paulie

            VD, yep I’m aware of the elephant protest/support (changed mine too, then opted for the Twibbon afterwards… hehe!) — I just never heard it used in a sentence similar to what jmom (perhaps unconsciouly? :P ) posted above.

            The elephants are laughing with him.

            Kinda cute, too. :D

          • jmom376

            Ooops Paulie.. I didn’t mean to call us elephants. I was just noticing that the people who thought it was funny all had elephants in their pictures :} Most of the ones offended, lead back to people who mostly comment on Adam (sans elephants).

          • naiya

            I am NOT an elephant! I’m a skinny-assed bitch and an AWESOME DANCER, DAMMIT!

          • jmom376

            OOPS.. I really didn’t mean to refer to us as elephants.. LOL.. Those little pictures put words into my mouth..

            Unfortunately, I’m not skinny and I can’t dance….

          • naiya

            LOL. I was just joking, jmom. I can’t dance either, but I’m pretty sure I’m still a bitch :)

          • Paulie

            I’m just joking too jmom. :D Like I said, the term IS cute. Haha!

          • leastofall

            The Elephants vs the sparkle Cows – the Ultimate showdown. Ding ding ding!!

    • jmom376

      I just saw that and had a good laugh at 6 a.m. Of course there are people offended that Kris would insult his fans. Funny that when you click on their names, all of their other tweets are regarding someone else. :} Do they not realize that they can unfollow him if he is so offensive to them. BTW: I think watching us middle aged women try to dance is pretty funny too. But watching middle aged drunk men trying to dance is a hell of a lot funnier.

      • muzikizmi

        The sex obsessed Glambert tweets have drowned out Kris’ usual tweeter feed of high school girls tweeting about doing homework while listening to Kris’ music. I much preferred the more mature high school kids, to the socially stunted Glamberts.

        • Ittybittybear

          Kris trying to purge the sparklers from his feed? It could even be management’s idea. Think about it. First male winner, no finalist, without a bunch of embarrassing, obsessive fans. Could be a plan. Yes I DO usually see a half full glass.

          • Blue Eyes

            You could be right about that. Do younger women in their 20′s or even 30′s want to attend a concert where the majority of women attending are their mothers and grandmothers age? No way! You go to concerts to hang out with young cool people, not with women who are like your mother!

      • naiya

        Dancing drunk guys ftw!

      • MissMyEm

        I’d rather someone tell me I can’t dance than call me smelly. I’m looking at YOU Adam Lambert. Besides which…I can dance. I think. At least I used to know how to dance. And I’m neither skinny or fat…except for my ass. I do have a fat ass.

        I think what the BSCs forget…or don’t realize…is that Kris has poked fun of his own dancing. But anyway…BSC is BSC…no matter which way you Boogaloo.

    • Paulie

      Matt just replied to his tweet. Let’s see if there’ll be some people doing a complete 180 after that. Especially if the rawk gahd agrees.

      ImMattGiraud @KrisAllen Ooooooooooooohhh!!!!! Got em. Someone had to say it.

      • jmom376

        Matt just tweeted again..

        ImMattGiraud Don’t take anything in life too seriously. That’s my motto. Rather than be offended, it’s much easier to laugh at yourself & to take a joke

        • MissMyEm

          Good luck Matt trying to use logic.

    • naiya

      That was really funny, and I doubt he was making fun of middle aged women so much as just stating the obvious. Kris has been traveling around the world doing stupid things, trying silly dances and laughing at himself for months. He has freely admitted that he can’t dance, but he does it anyway because he enjoys life, and it seems as if he likes being around other people who can also enjoy life and laugh at themselves. Kris’ fans who don’t takes themselves too seriously will think this is funny. This Kris fan, who is an AWESOME DANCER WITH EXCEPTIONAL RYTHYM OMG !!!11!!ELEVENTY!!11!!!!, thought it was hysterical.

      • margie

        People are seriously upset by this tweet? I thought he was making fun of his mom or something. Wasn’t he out with his family? People are way too sensitive.

        • Kathy

          I know. Even if he was making fun of my dancing to my face, I would laugh. I’ve seen video. It’s not pretty. But it is funny.

    • jmom376

      I love when he posts stuff like this. It is so much fun to see the Glamberts act all indignant and try to act like they are Kris fans that are no longer fans because of his tweets. Cracks me up every time.

      I wonder if the no rhythm comment also includes him and his friends :}

      • DeeDee

        As a incredibly uncoordinated middle aged woman I am deeply offended. I may have to send him a strongly worded tweet. (Who am I kidding? I have no idea how to tweet).

        • Ittybittybear

          Eh, all young people say things like that. At my son’s wedding, some of his friends, most of whom I’d known since kindergarten, were jokingly calling me “Elaine” because of my dancing. It’s a GOOD thing when you can laugh at yourself. Makes life so much easier and fun.

          • jmom376

            That is funny. I just got a mental picture of the Elaine dance. My teenage son also makes fun of me.

          • naiya

            Oh, I flove the Elaine dance. Yeah, that’s right, I said it…FLOVE!

    • jmom376

      Mama Allen just commented too… LOL..

      allen_kimberly Come on ladies don’t be offended by “middle aged”. Its not an age its a state of mind. If you die at 30 then is middle age 15?

      • justpeachy

        I kind of wish they’d stop humoring Adam’s fans when they start mooing over something Kris has said. He has yet to say anything offensive. It just encourages more crap. JUST IGNORE THE COWS.

        • naiya

          I concur.

        • ross

          Exactly.

    • saskin

      I think what he said is not offensive. It is true. I’ve seen many parents tell their kids to ‘act their age’ and I think it is only fair when younger people remind older ones to act their age. Some idol fans should really start acting their age, no?

    • Nich

      You know for someone so bland and boring he’s really good at stirring up controversy and getting people all crazed up over his bland and boring comments.

      • Lucky

        I’m middle aged and not offended at all! I used to be able to dance when I was young but then stopped a few years ago when my youngest sister (much much younger than the rest of us) told me that her and her friends laugh at us older sisters when we danced. So that ended that!

        • et

          I might be middle aged depending on when I croak – and I’m not offended, my fat ass looks pretty stupid dancing. So I don’t do it unless I’m drunk. And if I drunk I’m *really* stupid so, yeah, point and laugh.

  • marissa

    Adam did an interview on Jonathan Ross’s show (really big UK talk show), and it’s very cute and funny–Adam’s very witty and sweet and Ross is hilarious in a kind of clever/12-year-old-boy kind of way. No new info, but probably a good intro for a lot of UK people who have never heard of him. Plus he looks gorgeous. And Jake Gyllenhaal is on after him, and he looks gorgeous too, and apparently he can make tables? :)

    Link if you’d like to watch it: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/46648883.html?page=2#comments

    • marissa

      Wait..the first part of that youtube is cut out for some reason.

      Link that works for the first part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLhcPDwoGyY

      They start out showing a long clip of Feeling Good.

    • marissa

      Lastly, he also sings a snippet of WWFM a capella and it’s beautiful. :)

      • Lauren

        Yeah, I saw that! The interview was adorable except they kept showing the Adommy kiss. GRRRRRR!!!! Anyway, he sounds amazing singing a capella.

  • Sherena

    I read the Q&A thing, and I’m pretty impressed. Kris is very tactful. Every line is positive and unassuming, but you can read between them to get an idea of how things really went down. Nice. I’m not for the whole getting someone famous featured on your song for more radio success thing; that’s why I think most songs that feature rappers are pretty terrible. And I’m guessing that Kris is on the same page, but I guess if you have to butcher one song, The Truth isn’t a terrible loss.

  • Lauren

    This is completely off-topic (Sorry TI) but I just feel that you all need to experience the fabulousness of “My Immortal” if you haven’t already. It is literally the worst fanfic EVER written. I can’t stop laughing!

    http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/chapters122.htm

    • deez

      I swear, the end of Chapter 1 is the best thing ever, lol . I got about halfway thru…that HAS to be intentionally bad, right? I’ll have to go back and read the rest, if that’s not parody then there are no words…just acronyms… LOL, OMG, and WTF!!!

      • deez

        Snap was spying on me and he was taking a video tape of me! And Loopin was masticating to it! They were sitting on their broomsticks.

        Ok, this^ right here was the point where I became convinced that this has to be parody. Either that, or the sight of Ebony made “Loopin” a little peckish. I gave up before I could finish that. (the pleas to “stop flaming my story” were hilarious).

        • Lauren

          Later she says MASTABATING (c i spelled it right).

          Hahahahahahahaha! Even her corrections are misspelled! You can’t give up! The end is amazing!

          At one point she even says “Prepz stop glamming!” LOL!

    • Lauren

      I read all 44 chapters. It gets to the point where the author forgets that she is writing about a character, not herself. I HOPE for the sake of humanity that this is intentionally bad.

      • deez

        Me too…I stopped at 23, I just couldn’t do it. If it WAS intentionally bad, then it was pretty funny for the first dozen chapters or so. “Brevity is the soul of wit” is something entirely lost on her, lol.

        • Lauren

          Keep going it just gets better!!!!!111!!!1111!!!!111!!!

          • deez

            I promise, I’ll try…but it’s gonna have to be later, can I just sorta scan it??

          • deez

            I bust into tears. Draco and Vampire came to contort me. Suddenly my eyes rolled up so they looked all cool and gothic. I had a vision were I saw some lighting flash and then Voldremot coming to kill Draco while Draco slit his wrists in a depressed way.

            Best Paragraph Ever.

          • deez

            No wait, I changed my mind:

            “Konnichiwa everybody come in.” said Proffesor Sinister in Japanese. She smelled at me with her gothic black lipstick. She’s da coolest fucking teacher ever. She had long dead black hair with blood red tips and red eyes. (hr mom woz a vampire. She’s also haf Japanese so she speaks it and everyfing. she n b’loody mry get along grate) She’s really young for a teacher. 2day she was wearing a black leather top with red lace and a long goffik black ripped dress. We went inside the black classroom with pastors of Emily the Strong. I raced my hand. I was wearing some black naie Polish with red pentagrams on it.

            “What is it Ebony?” she asked. “Hey I love ur nail polish where’d u get it, Hot Topik?”

            NO! wait:

            “OMFG Draco Draco!” I screamed having an orgism. We stated frenching passively. Suddenly………… I fell asleep. I started having a dream. In it a black guy was shooting two goffik men with long black hair.

            NO!! NO!!!

            Then………… I took off Draco’s MCR shrift and seductvely took of his pants. He was hung lik a stallone. He had replaced the Vampire tattoo that said Enoby on it. Black roses were around it. I gasped. He lookd exactly lik Gerard Way. Vampire took a vido camera. (I had sed it wuz ok b4).

            I took of my clothes den we were in 4 da rid of r lif.

            We started freching as we climbed into the cofin. He put his spock in my you-know-what and passively we did it.

            “I love you Eboby. Oh let me feel u I need 2 feel u.” he screamed as we got an orgasm. We watched Vampire filmed everything perfectly. Suddenly………………………….

            “WHAT THE FUCK R U DOING!”

            It was………………………….Snope and Profesor McGoggle!111

            *sigh* I<3 this:

            “Kul.” I raised my eye suggestingly. And den………. he tok of my cloves sexily and we started 2 make out. I tok of his shit. He had six-pak justr lik Gerard Way!11 We frenched.

            “Xcuze me but u r going 2 have 2 leave!111” shooted da lady behind us she was a prep.

            “Fuk u!11” I said. Suddenly…………………. I attaked her suking all her blood.

            “Noooooo!11” she screamed. All the preps in da theater screamed but everyone else crapped koz Satan and I loked so cute 2gether. Satan and I started to walk outside.

            “Zomg how did u do that?” Voldremort asked in a turned-on voice.

            “I’m a vampire.” I said as we went into the car.

            “Siriusly?” he gasped.

            “Yah siriusly.” I said drinking sum beer. Satan started 2 drive da car. I smelled happily.

            “Itz too bad we didn’t get 2 c da rest of the movie, don’t u fink?”

            Thank you Lauren, I shall be ever in your debt:

            I cried sexily I just wanted 2 go 2 the commen room and slit my wrists with mi friends while we watched Shark Attak 3 and Saw 2 and do it with Draco but I knew I had 2 do somefing more impotent.

            “ABRA KEDABRA!!!!!!!!!!!11111” I shooted.

            This was the bestest thing evahhh!!!1111!!!!! I liked the part where her account got “hacked” and an alternate chapter written in English was added. lol.

    • erinnthered

      Is this the Harry Potter story where they all turn out to be gay? This was recommended to me recently in a “so bad it’s good” way. I had no idea it had its own website. I was sent the ff.net link. I really need to get on this. I just need more time. How long is it?

      • Lauren

        Everyone is bi! It’s 44 chapters. But each chapter is very short. You can get through it in a couple of hours.

        And Deez, I’m glad you enjoyed it! The ending was so great!

    • Verbally Dyslexic

      Holy crap, this is… I don’t even have words to describe how hilariously bad this is. My brain cannot accept that this is not a parody. Also, my brain will stage a riot if I read on. Kudos to you guys who could manage beyond 5 chapters, I don’t have the stamina for it.

      • Lauren

        Haha, I am starting to refuse to accept this as real as well…I really hope this is just parody.

  • parsenip

    Oh Sweet Jesus. This is what happens when my inner tard gets loose.

    • Lauren

      It’s ok, we have apparently determined that flove actually means “fucking love.” You’re safe.

  • jazz

    What about “lurve”?

    • jazz

      Oops — this Q was supposed to end up under the comments talking about tardspeak!

  • Lauren
  • Mithra

    Interesting comment at Rickeys regarding Kelly:

    http://www.rickey.org/?p=40169

    Huh?

  • muzikizmi

    Does Jim Cantiello read here? Didn’t I just post this a couple of days ago?
    From Twitter:

    jambajim Idol rant of the day: Producers need to drop this “Lee’s a paint salesman” storyline. Dude has two albums on iTunes! Just sayin’!

    I can’t really think of many people with whom I would love to share a brain. Jim is one.

  • carmine2008

    Kris Allen inspires me; and no amount of mudslinging can change that. I hope he never changes.

  • Dickory Dock

    You know, it’s a real crying shame that Kris Allen doesn’t appeal to the younger demographic. It’s also a shame that he’s so white bread he’ll never appeal to Hispanics or African-Americans. A pity, really.

    • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

      Or gay men. The gay community will never embrace him.

      • et

        He doesn’t glitter, you know. You have to glitter.

    • MissMyEm

      Chris Alin just doesn’t appeal to anyone, does he. Might as well go home and give over the crown.

    • dresden

      lol – i know. the last two groups have much better taste in things like good music, and better bullshit barometers to spot a phony a mile away. krispus attucks allin is the truth.

    • Blue Eyes

      Poor Kris. Everyone knows he has to piggyback on Adam’s fame to get any attention.

    • Starr

      I remember when Kris was at the Charlotte, NC radio show last year. When he came on, he sang the “Heartless” mash-up with “Gangster’s Paradise” and one of the DJs was all “Kris Allen trying to earn some street cred singing Coolio” in a mocking sort of way. Five minutes later, Kris sings “Man in the Mirror” and the DJ tweets “Now Kris Allen is singing Michael Jackson’s Man in the Mirror. I’m a fan.” So yeah, I’d say in terms of hater conversion power, Kris excels haha It’s just hard to hate the guy.

    • Mithra

      Cros Alien has been trending on Yahoo’s front page at #3 – you know, in the real world outside the AI bubble. Meanwhile, Glamtards have been spamming twitter all day to get his 10th failed single to linger near the bottom of the list under the ever present Moppet of Beelzebub and Jonas Twats.

  • caspar

    Thanks for bringing that Lawson recap to my attention- don’t think I’ve ever read him before. I know there’s some hate here for Bastard Ass Jacob of Television Without Pity, but he occasionally hits some out of the park, and the last paragraph of Lawson’s recap really reminded me of those. I don’t even care about Aaron, but that paragraph was very poignant.

  • CayKat

    I recently discovered the fantastic Mr. Lawson – peeps can follow him on twitter @rilaws He’s great and has now joined the elite ranks of my favorite pop culture bloggers/ journos. – that makes the group a whopping 4 people strong! TopIdol, Jim Cantiello, Rich Juzwiak (Four Four)and Richard Lawson at Gawker – that is all. lol!

    Kara and Jay – vomit, hurl, spew – YUCK!

    Kelly Clarkeson – badass woman with strong convictions and obvious wit that I would be thrilled to meet.

    Kris Allen and Cale – totally awesome – all the pictures from the event had me grinning like a goof – AS USUAL! I wonder if VH1 is going to air this footage at some point? I REALLY hope so.

    • CayKat

      I am ashamed to admit that I forgot one of my favorite blogging geniuses – Dr. Lulzington.

  • leastofall

    (from mj’s)

    hglightly:
    The picture featured above was taken as Kris was leaving the floor. The kids for the most part were being very restrained in this format but as Kris left he gave a few of them hugs and they couldn’t hold back any more. They mobbed Kris. The announcer called for security to help Kris out and called for the students to take their seat so they could continue with their concert.

    Gaaah!!! (Must control self!!! Must Not Tard over presh pic!! Kris mobbed by adorable jubilant kids!!!)

    • parsenip

      OMG. I flove how happy everyone looks in those pics. And Kris doesn’t seem the least bit concerned he’s being mobbed. That’s a whole lotta lovin right there.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Did you just say flove?

        • parsenip

          I did. Sorry. Those pictures brought out the tard.

        • Lauren

          What’s wrong with flove?

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            You have to ask?

          • Lauren

            Yeah…? Is it too tardish or something? Or is it the abbreviation thing?

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Flove = Flail + Love = Tardtalk

            An example of a word which was ruined when transformed into tardspeak is epic.

            Other tardvocab:
            Stan
            Flail
            Squee
            Thud
            Sang (but using it in the present tense rather than the past, i.e., “The boy can sang.”)

          • Lauren

            Well, I am not guilty of sang. I do squee and flail a lot though. I wouldn’t really call those tardtalk but more of fangirl talk.

          • AH

            I always thought flove was a combination of “fucking” + “love” and that people were just too lazy to type out the whole thing. LOL! That shows how much of a tard I am not

          • Lauren

            (That’s what I thought too! Urban Dictionary agrees with us btw)

          • leastofall

            Same here!! LOL!

          • Blue Eyes

            I really, really, hate thud. So retarded. One of the Claymate tards invented that word. Then the Soul Patrol tards started to use it. Now the Glambert tards are using it. Hmmmm, anyone see a pattern here?

          • Lauren

            Did the Claymates really invent that? I thought it was just general fangirl speak.

          • Starr

            Oh. Flove means flail + love? I always thought “I flove” was an abbreviation for “I fucking love”. Oh well. You learn something new everyday.

          • Lauren

            That’s what we all think.

          • Lauren

            @Starr

          • marissa

            I thought flove meant “fucking love” too.

            Sang makes me cringe. Squee is cute, though, I think. I’m just used to _ai where everyone uses that all the time.

          • erinnthered

            I thought flove was short for “fucking love” too.

          • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

            Erinn, I naturally assumed it was FLAIL because tards are really into flailing and loving.

            Clearly I’m not as up on the tard mindset as I previously thought.

          • On The Edge

            I don’t want to argue with ya, TI, but I’ve used “flove” long before I ever knew there was tarding, for Idol or otherwise, and I always used it as a contration of fucking+love, for those goody-goody boards that starred out every instance of cussing. Picked it up at the E! GND boards.

          • tinawina

            Hey! People have been saying “that boy can sang” forever… usually in church while fanning themselves with MLK’s face on cardboard while Little Pookie does the solo in the youth choir. Do not sully my childhood memories by associating that phrase with Idol Fandom Shenanigans. Humph.

            And, the proper term is “that boy can saaaaang”.

            :)

          • Mithra

            There should be a list of tard words, a please do not type this shite outsite of Tardlandia. Flove, benches, stan, BB, and plenty others I try to block out of my brain and then am reminded of when I read them.

          • deez

            Please add “Krissifer” to the DO NOT USE list.

            (squee, thud, flail, ded)

            BB creeps me out, as it is rarely 12 yr olds using the term.

          • Lauren

            …I use that too! (Krissifer not BB)

        • Trish

          God, are we now throwing out the baby with the bathwater? “Flove” has been around for years. It’s no different than saying that one “freaking” “frakkin” of “f*cking” loves something.

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flove

    • MissMyEm

      Can I tard myself as well, for those pictures, and say I got a bit ferklempt?

  • http://princessleia04.livejournal.com SarahBeth

    I really love these recap posts! That way, I don’t have to go hunting around for stuff, its like one stop shopping!

    You’re the best, TI! :D

  • blacklisted

    Love LOVE Richard Lawson’s reviews.

    Kris surrounding by a bunch of little black girls is way too cute. We’d call that a crossover artists, lol.

    • Burgundy LaRue

      One of these days, I’m going to design BLACK CHICKS LOVE KRIS ALLEN merchandise and sell it. Because it’s true.

      That picutre is so adorable. I would have been one of those girls hugging Kris years ago. It warms my cold, dark heart.

      • http://topidolblog.com TopIdol

        Clearly he’s like the Bill Clinton of American Idol. Beloved by Arkansas and all people of African descent.

        I voted for both.

        • Burgundy LaRue

          But if a burnette chick in a blue dress offers Kris a cigar, he better run.

          • Burgundy LaRue

            Brunette, I mean.

        • MissMyEm

          I voted for both too.

          And also…Richard Lawson cracked me up.

      • margie

        I love how they are all hugging on him. Clearly something about makes fans want to hug him.

        • margie

          ^about him

      • Nich

        Hee! It’s true! I’m black and I’m a Kris fan.

        I also wanted to do a Black Chicks Love Jack (from Lost) line b/c I love him too, lol.

      • nekola

        Add me the list! Another black girl for Kris Allen.

  • jazz

    Awwwww…..Picture of Kris is so adorable!

  • Rach

    Homeschooling does not count as a tragic backstory. I should know. Lol

    That’s a nice picture of Kris. It’s cool he gets to do that stuff.

  • saskin

    I think Kelly’s song is about generic, same tempo, similar melody, auto-tuned, interchangeable pop songs. She is brilliant. And funny.

  • auntieaimee

    OMG, are they all HUGGING him? Pictures like that are a balm for a cynical world. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get a drink of water. I feel like I have something stuck in my throat…

  • Legend

    Those pics of Kris at the VH1 Save the Music thingy are too cute. The boy sure is photogenic!

  • naiya

    I really like that picture of Kris with the kids. Also, I was checking out Keith Urban’s website this morning since I decided to catch one of the Keith/Kris concerts. They posted video of the guys working up/soundchecking Boys of Summer. It was pretty interesting.

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